2022 Vegas Summer League Game 2: Sacramento vs Orlando 7/9/22 4:00 ET on ESPN

[tooler]

Because so far in two summer league games and all through his tenure at Duke, if he’s not in the action (handling, posting, or being used as a screener) offensively, he basically doesn’t move much. I’m not sure right now he’s ready to provide much value as an off-the-ball player.

I'll let him get in shape before I see whether he moves without the ball. As a #1 option it probably doesn't matter much anyway. I'm more interested in seeing how he does as the roll man in a pick and roll with a guard. You can't switch that...

And he’s also not a guy (yet) who has shown much willingness to be an immediate rise-and-fire catch and shoot player.

No, but his first 3 point attempt in game 1 was like that. So we'll have to see.

[basketballRob]

Because so far in two summer league games and all through his tenure at Duke, if he’s not in the action (handling, posting, or being used as a screener) offensively, he basically doesn’t move much. I’m not sure right now he’s ready to provide much value as an off-the-ball player.

I'll let him get in shape before I see whether he moves without the ball. As a #1 option it probably doesn't matter much anyway. I'm more interested in seeing how he does as the roll man in a pick and roll with a guard. You can't switch that...

And he’s also not a guy (yet) who has shown much willingness to be an immediate rise-and-fire catch and shoot player.

No, but his first 3 point attempt in game 1 was like that. So we'll have to see.

With Paolo's ability to pass I think we'll run a good chunk of the offense through him. It will probably get the other players better looks than they had last season and improve our overall shooting. Paolo could be our Luka with a little less usage.

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[Bergmaniac]

lol everyone needs to chill on RJ. I've always found him disposable myself but he had some good games during the year. This was an experiment to see if he could be a PG, he can't lol.

Surely the coaches already knew that, he showed it in dozens of games last season. He just has no idea how to run an offense. Every time he was the main ballhandler on the second unit our offense just died. He was easily our best tank commander. If he starts getting minutes as a PG next season, that's a sure sign we are tanking again.

[pepe1991]

lol everyone needs to chill on RJ. I've always found him disposable myself but he had some good games during the year. This was an experiment to see if he could be a PG, he can't lol.

Surely the coaches already knew that, he showed it in dozens of games last season. He just has no idea how to run an offense. Every time he was the main ballhandler on the second unit our offense just died. He was easily our best tank commander. If he starts getting minutes as a PG next season, that's a sure sign we are tanking again.

Honestlly i don't know what execlly RJ Hampton "showed" where i would pick his 4thy year option up.

Over 2 years his eFG is 6% below league's average, his FT % is 10% below league's average, his TS% is 7% below league's average, he is sub 38% mid range shooter and shoots mediocre 58% inside 3 feet.

So he isn't shooting guard, he for sure ain't PG. So what is there for him to play? They might lie ( or tell the truth, doesn't really matter) that he is 6'6, but guy probably weights sub 190 pounds so he can't play SF, nor he showed grit, defense nor rebounding to even cosider playing him there.


He is perfect example why nba should come out with some loans policy, where you can keep his rights , not count him on cap space and send him in Europe for like 2 years where somebody will fix his ballhanlding,shooting, decision making and where he would mature as person and after all that reconsider returning him back to NBA. Instad, he will hang around nba for 2,3 more years and end up in some Estonian league by age of 28 never actually improving his game past rookie year.

[drsd]

He is perfect example why nba should come out with some loans policy, where you can keep his rights , not count him on cap space and send him in Europe for like 2 years where somebody will fix his ballhanlding,shooting, decision making and where he would mature as person and after all that reconsider returning him back to NBA. Instad, he will hang around nba for 2,3 more years and end up in some Estonian league by age of 28 never actually improving his game past rookie year.

I could see Silver getting behind this. And the player's union could as well if the age-limit was abolished (where then all the sudden NBA teams start drafting 15 year olds, but that's ok in your scenario).

This might be the path to getting the Euroleague more engaged with the NBA as an actual partnership.

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[akhan786]

It’s going to be very interesting to see how things change when Paolo gets to play with the normal NBA teammates in the regular season.

Because so far in two summer league games and all through his tenure at Duke, if he’s not in the action (handling, posting, or being used as a screener) offensively, he basically doesn’t move much. I’m not sure right now he’s ready to provide much value as an off-the-ball player.

And he’s also not a guy (yet) who has shown much willingness to be an immediate rise-and-fire catch and shoot player.

He likes to stop the ball and then poke, prod and survey before he decides what he’s going to do. That has worked fine because he can pass, but we’ll see how that translates moving forward.

The reality is that this is a process when bringing in a 19 year old super talent. The things you list are Year 2 or 3 points of emphasis. You have to add these things in gradually piece by piece in real life and hope by his prime that he’s added

1) elite defense
2) off ball movement
3) spot and shoot (he was very good in the left corner at Duke)
4) rebounding
5) limiting turnovers
6) world class conditioning
7) elite 3-level shot maker
8) clutch shot maker in the last 2 rounds of the playoffs

That’s an ambitious To-Do list but with a talent with his tools and dog…you have to push him hard and set your goals high. And I think he wants to be pushed to be an all-time great. Maybe he won’t reach every one of those goals, but at his age you have to try since you have 7 years runway before he enters his prime and the world will want to start seeing some hardware.

[zaymon]

It’s going to be very interesting to see how things change when Paolo gets to play with the normal NBA teammates in the regular season.

Because so far in two summer league games and all through his tenure at Duke, if he’s not in the action (handling, posting, or being used as a screener) offensively, he basically doesn’t move much. I’m not sure right now he’s ready to provide much value as an off-the-ball player.

And he’s also not a guy (yet) who has shown much willingness to be an immediate rise-and-fire catch and shoot player.

He likes to stop the ball and then poke, prod and survey before he decides what he’s going to do. That has worked fine because he can pass, but we’ll see how that translates moving forward.

The reality is that this is a process when bringing in a 19 year old super talent. The things you list are Year 2 or 3 points of emphasis. You have to add these things in gradually piece by piece in real life and hope by his prime that he’s added

1) elite defense
2) off ball movement
3) spot and shoot (he was very good in the left corner at Duke)
4) rebounding
5) limiting turnovers
6) world class conditioning
7) elite 3-level shot maker
8) clutch shot maker in the last 2 rounds of the playoffs

That’s an ambitious To-Do list but with a talent with his tools and dog…you have to push him hard and set your goals high. And I think he wants to be pushed to be an all-time great. Maybe he won’t reach every one of those goals, but at his age you have to try since you have 7 years runway before he enters his prime and the world will want to start seeing some hardware.

I think he could be pacing himself. Moving such a large body must be exhausting. He was our lead creator last game, and he was often targeted on defense. It will be near impossible for him to be active off ball until he improves his conditioning. Curry can do that becouse he is small. Paolo will propably always need some time in game to rest.
We will have Suggs to run like madman all game. Houstan is leaner, he has more fitting physique for that.

[RookieStar]

It’s going to be very interesting to see how things change when Paolo gets to play with the normal NBA teammates in the regular season.

Because so far in two summer league games and all through his tenure at Duke, if he’s not in the action (handling, posting, or being used as a screener) offensively, he basically doesn’t move much. I’m not sure right now he’s ready to provide much value as an off-the-ball player.

And he’s also not a guy (yet) who has shown much willingness to be an immediate rise-and-fire catch and shoot player.

He likes to stop the ball and then poke, prod and survey before he decides what he’s going to do. That has worked fine because he can pass, but we’ll see how that translates moving forward.

That was the only thing that made me NOT go for PBas the #1 pick. I value passing, non stop ball movement to get the open shot especially with the roster limitation that we have. He needs the ball to be effective and I have had enough from Cole about ball-stoppers lol. Otherwise, he is a #1 pick

[Bensational]

He looks great...it will be very interesting to see how he and Franz mesh. Their games have some overlap...which can either compound the effect and have awesome ball movement or compromise each other if one ends up with the ball too much. Fultz too. Hopefully, there's a constant search for the best shot and not a tug of war. It's not even about being selfish - it's just the way they both play. If they take turns watching each other, it might be a problem.

Along those lines, I really like Houstan's moving without the ball. If his shooting is real, I think he's got a definite role on this team, maybe a big one. He might be one of those guys whose game suits the NBA a lot more than the NCAA.

If PB is hurt, sit him down. The last thing we need is to feed some nagging injury that will come and go all year if he doesn't just rest it now. The second to last is to have Chet light him up because he's hobbled and have that story all season. If he's good to go, I can't wait to watch him back down Chet and smash on him.

Which part of Wagner and Banchero game overlap in a negative way ? They are both mobile with the ball, they are both unselfish and great decision makers, they can both space the floor, they both move well without the ball.
Where is the concern ? I really cant see it. I was more concerned with Jaylen Brown and Jason Tatum combo.
I agree about Houstan. 6'8 movement shooters are gold in todays nba. Kid is really motivated and you just see he loves basketball. I just smiled watching him hustle all over the floor.

I think Franz will take a step back this season as an on-ball playmaker, mostly because he naturally seems deferential to players who demand the ball - and Paolo is going to demand the ball to run a play from a complete reset a lot. Franz will benefit by being one of the best off-ball movers we have (and decent perimeter shooter), but I don’t think he’ll be running close to as many plays as he did last season. Paolo - Fultz - Suggs/Anthony will likely get first touches, imo.

I really want to see Houstan alongside the WCJ - Paolo - Franz front court. Those guys will very quickly learn each other’s spots and how to get open, and they’ll reward each other for doing so.

[City of Trees]

Paolo was fun to watch and he sounds like a good guy too. I'm really happy your team drafted him at #1.

[ChosenSavior]

Paolo was fun to watch and he sounds like a good guy too. I'm really happy your team drafted him at #1.

Thank you for the kind words. Really like what your team did selecting Keegan. Big fan of his game and feel he is going to fit in nicely on that Kings roster.

[tiderulz]

Paolo was fun to watch and he sounds like a good guy too. I'm really happy your team drafted him at #1.

Thank you for the kind words. Really like what your team did selecting Keegan. Big fan of his game and feel he is going to fit in nicely on that Kings roster.

yep. i was a big fan of Keegan and think he will do really well

[Furinkazan]

TRoss was playing/streaming nba2k on twitch while Magic played in Vegas.

https://www.twitch.tv/terrenceross

[Optimus_Steel]

So I saw the game on DVR. Takeaways:

-RJ was absolute awful as its been noted here. He looks like a guy that if he did not have a guaranteed contract would be heading to the Gleague. Is this guy really on his 3rd year? He looks so raw and out of control, lacking awareness. I would cut bait on this guy ASAP, he doesn't have it upstairs in terms of feel for the game, awareness, to be a trusted role player. He reminds me of Bamba in that sense. Once we are ready to compete for real we need to get rid guys like RJ and Bamba.

-Paolo again showed a lot of good things despite the turnovers. He has an excellent feel for the game. He seems to have the alpha mentality we've been lacking for ages. He can create, I keep forgetting what that feels like. What a combo of feel for the game, skillset, size, strength, and agility.

-Houstan looks like an excellent 2nd rounder. A finisher (catch and shot shooter, floor spacer, cutter, etc.). Paolo is going to get this guy so many good looks.

-The Magic were pretty much in control of this game until the last few mins when they got complacent. Give Sac credit for not giving up and coming back though.

-Extremely impressed with Sac center Queta. He is a big imposing center with good feel for the game and even some finesse. He is a way better player than a guy like Bamba. He was a 2nd rounder last year, which again I wonder why we hanged on to Bamba when you can find gems like this guy in the 2nd round or overseas (think Birch).

[ORLMagicGirl15]

For those who think Isaac isn’t around the team, I hope you guys enjoyed that update.

Can you give us what was said?

Sorry to bump this thread…didn’t realize that I never answered but I found a video of the game and this is the JI part.

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[fendilim]

Isaac has been with the team. There have been photos of him with the team is Las Vegas