2022-2023 Preseason Game 1: Orlando Magic (0-0) at Memphis Grizzlies (1-0) - 8pm

[RickB-Orlando]

bamba, not good

He's been here what 5 years now? We knew this except the fans that convincing themselves he'll turn into something at some point. I think Bamba works on a team like Memphis that is stacked and he is not asked to do a whole lot, not the case here.

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I think statistically he can be a double-doubke guy, just not a good one. Cheap put backs, a three once in a while, if he is stuck out there as a dedicated center getting 30+ minutes per game he would likely average 10/10 or very close to it.

But it would be empty stats on a team that either isn't very good, or is very good and just needs him to stand in the paint. On D he would get a couple of blocks per game just based on height alone.

Bottom line, he just isn't a very good player.

[Ducklett]

Paolo needed this. When you’ve been the best at something for majority of your life, you need that moment that makes you realize you’re not as special as you thought (even in if the person is). Paolo looked like just another guy out there playing in a NBA game and it’s the best thing that could of happened to him.

Unless it turns out we drafted a normal guy with the 1st pick and people get fired over it. That could make this situation really bad.

[SOUL]

Unless it turns out we drafted a normal guy with the 1st pick and people get fired over it. That could make this situation really bad.

I mean this statement could be made even if he went 10-15 or something. It means nothing. We have to be patient with first picks as well, just like Minnesota has been with Anthony Edwards (who struggled FG% wise his first year until late in the year) and Cade started his first three ACTUAL games 2-14, 4-17 and 6-17. If people can't handle crappy games from young players then it's just going to be an annoying board to post on. Jabari had a great first game and may struggle during the season, Paolo may be fine, we don't know how it'll be at all.

[Magic#1]

bamba, not good

He's been here what 5 years now? We knew this except the fans that convincing themselves he'll turn into something at some point. I think Bamba works on a team like Memphis that is stacked and he is not asked to do a whole lot, not the case here.

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I think statistically he can be a double-doubke guy, just not a good one. Cheap put backs, a three once in a while, if he is stuck out there as a dedicated center getting 30+ minutes per game he would likely average 10/10 or very close to it.

But it would be empty stats on a team that either isn't very good, or is very good and just needs him to stand in the paint. On D he would get a couple of blocks per game just based on height alone.

Bottom line, he just isn't a very good player.

It's just one preseason game, but I think we have what we have with Bamba. He's not a bad player. But he's not going to come even close to reaching his ceiling we had hoped for. His post-up game could still get better, but he still won't be more than a 12 ppg player at most. His hunger for rebounding is what has disappointed me most. He should easily be able to get 10 rpg and just doesn't. If Bol shows any signs of hope, Bamba is very tradeable with either Ross or Harris this season. I like Mo the person. He'll still be in the league awhile. But he's not a top 15 center in the league.

[ogmagicfan]

This all is an overreaction. It's preseason, and the Grizzles are arguably the worst matchup in the NBA for the Magic. They beat us by more than any team last season and feast on turnovers.

[Knightro]

The Magic would be massively better off had they signed Hartenstein instead of Bamba.

That one would hurt if they were trying to win

[Optimus_Steel]

The Magic would be massively better off had they signed Hartenstein instead of Bamba.

That one would hurt if they were trying to win

We shouldn't be spending resources on centers period, they just don't matter as much and can be found cheap. Skilled guards and wings are what win games now. We should have just cut Bamba loose instead of hanging on to an "asset". And why in the world did we start two centers?

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[Blue_and_Whte]

The Magic would be massively better off had they signed Hartenstein instead of Bamba.

That one would hurt if they were trying to win

We shouldn't be spending resources on centers period, they just don't matter as much and can be found cheap. Skilled guards and wings are what win games now. We should have just cut Bamba loose instead of hanging on to an "asset". And why in the world did we start two centers?

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I’m not worried about the SL.Preseason is about experimentation, getting guys feet wet, and ironing out the kinks.

[Last Guardian]

A lot of posters playing it off as everyone is overreacting to a loss to a great team in a meaningless game. No one cares that we lost. This isn't about the importance of Franz and Fultz. This is about who we did get to see showing absolutely nothing, even perhaps worse basketball than last season. That is all. Suggs is clearly most of the frustration. There is no nice way to put it...the guy sucks at basketball and we used a #5 pick on him.

Yes, making statements about a players career after this 1st preseason game, with all the underlining aspects is a super hot take.
To say Suggs sucks at basketball...IDK...
Did he have an absolutely craptastic game?? yes.
Let's see what shakes out, also we should have the same zest for RJ's game?

My stat of the game:
The starting 5 had more turnovers (18) than made FGs(14)

Ok show me where I made a statement about his entire career. I said he sucks at basketball, which is a present comment not about his future. Of course I'm talking about NBA level basketball. Obviously he would destroy any of us. But since day 1 of last season he has been horrid on offense. He's a worse shooter than Markelle Fultz and has none of the dribbling or passing that Fultz provides.

He can improve of course. We all hope he does because as far as NBA guard he can't get much worse. Being young is not an excuse...they aren't supposed to look THAT bad. Like we complain about Cole a lot but he was never this bad.

As for your RJ comment...yes there should be some excitement. He looked more in control. He wasn't earth shattering but the main thing we want to see from him is to stop playing so reckless.

[JBSouthpaw]

A lot of posters playing it off as everyone is overreacting to a loss to a great team in a meaningless game. No one cares that we lost. This isn't about the importance of Franz and Fultz. This is about who we did get to see showing absolutely nothing, even perhaps worse basketball than last season. That is all. Suggs is clearly most of the frustration. There is no nice way to put it...the guy sucks at basketball and we used a #5 pick on him.

Yes, making statements about a players career after this 1st preseason game, with all the underlining aspects is a super hot take.
To say Suggs sucks at basketball...IDK...
Did he have an absolutely craptastic game?? yes.
Let's see what shakes out, also we should have the same zest for RJ's game?

My stat of the game:
The starting 5 had more turnovers (18) than made FGs(14)

Ok show me where I made a statement about his entire career. I said he sucks at basketball, which is a present comment not about his future. Of course I'm talking about NBA level basketball. Obviously he would destroy any of us. But since day 1 of last season he has been horrid on offense. He's a worse shooter than Markelle Fultz and has none of the dribbling or passing that Fultz provides.

He can improve of course. We all hope he does because as far as NBA guard he can't get much worse. Being young is not an excuse...they aren't supposed to look THAT bad. Like we complain about Cole a lot but he was never this bad.

As for your RJ comment...yes there should be some excitement. He looked more in control. He wasn't earth shattering but the main thing we want to see from him is to stop playing so reckless.

"There is no nice way to put it...the guy sucks at basketball and we used a #5 pick on him."
You are saying we wasted the 5th pick, which is saying no chance. That is how it reads.

[PrimeThyme]

Vecenie just said on his podcast that Franz would average 20+ and potentially make the All-star team this year. GM’s unanimously voted Banchero to be the roty and best player from the class in 5 years.

All the doom and gloom is hilarious to me.

[zaymon]

Vecenie just said on his podcast that Franz would average 20+ and potentially make the All-star team this year. GM’s unanimously voted Banchero to be the roty and best player from the class in 5 years.

All the doom and gloom is hilarious to me.

You read too much into that, its just being butthurt after Grizzlies were bragging in the meaningless preseason game. Maybe they are still hurt after Anthony buzzerbeater. They are quickly climbing on my least favourite nba teams.
Loss aside, our gameplan or execution of it was awful, nobody even tried to get to the rim except Paolo.

[PrimeThyme]

You read too much into that, its just being butthurt after Grizzlies were bragging in the meaningless preseason game. Maybe they are still hurt after Anthony buzzerbeater. They are quickly climbing on my least favourite nba teams.
Loss aside, our gameplan or execution of it was awful, nobody even tried to get to the rim except Paolo.

I don’t think I am, some of the sweeping comments I’ve seen made on the likes of Suggs and Banchero the last few days based on one preseason game are hilarious.

People are having to post stat lines of Lebrons rookie preseason games to talk other posters off the ledge in regards to Banchero busting.

[Ducklett]

Unless it turns out we drafted a normal guy with the 1st pick and people get fired over it. That could make this situation really bad.

I mean this statement could be made even if he went 10-15 or something. It means nothing. We have to be patient with first picks as well, just like Minnesota has been with Anthony Edwards (who struggled FG% wise his first year until late in the year) and Cade started his first three ACTUAL games 2-14, 4-17 and 6-17. If people can't handle crappy games from young players then it's just going to be an annoying board to post on. Jabari had a great first game and may struggle during the season, Paolo may be fine, we don't know how it'll be at all.

I was just responding to the idea that it is good that Paolo plays poorly. I am not worried about Paolo's performance in a preseason game.

[pepe1991]

Vecenie just said on his podcast that Franz would average 20+ and potentially make the All-star team this year. GM’s unanimously voted Banchero to be the roty and best player from the class in 5 years.

All the doom and gloom is hilarious to me.

Context, last year they voted 72% for Nets winning championship, 17% Lakers.

Most wins in regular season on west: Lakers
MVP: Jokic not even in top 5

WHO WILL WIN THE 2021-22 ROOKIE OF THE YEAR?
1. Jalen Green, Houston – 47%
2. Cade Cunningham, Detroit – 40%
3. Jalen Suggs, Orlando – 7%


Level of delusion: 10% of GMs thought LEbron James at age of 38 was most versitale nba defender.

I get your point, but those guys,despite position they hold, are so damn clueless about talent in nba that it's scary.
Example: best coaches in nba: according to those dummies, Quin Snyder ( 0 nba finals, 0 nba conference finals) & Monty Williams ( 1 nba finals , 0 titles) are better than Popovich for a season? In what universe?


But to reply to your comment.
We have no clue what Banchero in nba is. Judging him on preseason is dumb. but it's also very dumb to overhype him based on his summer self- centric summer league games where nba players abuse 9-5 dads and have twitter feuds with other egocentric average nba players ( hello Murray).
What's criteria that would determine Banchero any better candidate to win ROY than some Jaden Ivey? Both will be on worthless team and put empty stats.. What if some Keegan Murray, like last year Barnes & Mobley contributes to some wins? In general ROY is most worthless fan-fiction type of award nba is giving.

Franz is very good at basketball but there is no way in hell he snifs near allstar game on East this year. His comeptition for forward spot are Durant, Butler, Giannis, Tatum, Siakam, Middelton, Embiid ,Adebayo...

[Bergmaniac]

Vecenie just said on his podcast that Franz would average 20+ and potentially make the All-star team this year. GM’s unanimously voted Banchero to be the roty and best player from the class in 5 years.

All the doom and gloom is hilarious to me.

We'd most likely still be a pretty terrible team even if Franz averages 20 PPG and Paolo wins ROTY. Rest of the roster consists mostly of injury prone players and badly lacks shooting and playmaking. We also have only one solid vet and he's already injured.

[ORLMagicGirl15]

Awful game but Paolo made it on Top 10. His dunk is #3.

Watch on YouTube

[drsd]

But to reply to your comment.
We have no clue what Banchero in nba is. Judging him on preseason is dumb. but it's also very dumb to overhype him based on his summer self- centric summer league games where nba players abuse 9-5 dads and have twitter feuds with other egocentric average nba players ( hello Murray).
What's criteria that would determine Banchero any better candidate to win ROY than some Jaden Ivey? Both will be on worthless team and put empty stats.. What if some Keegan Murray, like last year Barnes & Mobley contributes to some wins? In general ROY is most worthless fan-fiction type of award nba is giving.

And-1

It is common for rookie bigs to be horrible for their first 10 games, bad for the next 10, and then quite ok to close out the season.
If we see positive growth around the ASW, then we will know Orlando drafted "the correct player".