Jordan Poole resigned with GSW. Is the system fair?

[pepe1991]

Among 10 teams in luxury tax, 7 are considered "big market " teams: Nets, Lakers, Clippers, Warriors, 76ers, Celtics & Dallas.

Small market teams either have MVP candidates ( Nuggets, Bucks, Suns) or don't pax luxury tax.

The point Magic Matic is trying to make is that luxury tax doesn't do it's job. As Lakers, Warriors, Nets don't seem to give a damn about paying penalities in oder to keep their superteams.

" Warriors are payign xy amount of money for one player" ..:Well that's not true at all.
Warriors right now on their roster have: resigned Wiggins ( allstar starter) , resigned Poole ( potentially biggest FA name in 2023) , Hall of famers : Steph Curry on non less than supermax, future hall of famer Klay Thompson on max contract and Draymoond Green on max contract.
So five ( 5!) players signed on max contracts.

OKlahoma lost Harden in 2013 because they couldn't afford paying him additional $4M as decision has been made that Ibaka is more valuable.

Warriors on other side, never face those decisions. Reason why they will remove Green eventually isn't motivated by money, at least not only because of money, but because he is declining value player who's ego is harder to justfy due his progressive downfall as player.

And can we PLEASE stop talking about parity in nba as it was ever a thing? 1996-1997 Bulls , adjusted to today's money, had $110M commited in books. 10th most expensive team, Kings , had $52M and no team but Bulls had any more salary commited than $75M


And since all owners who are cheap get money other owers who aren't are willing to pay for luxury tax, this enables small market owners to only commit to luxury tax when they are contenders.

The only five teams to win a title and not pay the luxury tax in that stretch were the 2005-06 Miami Heat; the 2013-14 San Antonio Spurs; the 2014-15 and 2017-18 Golden State Warriors; and the 2019-20 Los Angeles Lakers.


At the end of a day, Warriors will pay their half of a billion dollar bill right into pockets of filthy cheap owners on small market teams who run their teams like a firm, not like sport team. And you will type how "parity works" because one owner is sending money to another.

[The-Stallion70]

Was it ever a legitimate possibility that we could get Poole? I don't remember seeing any news or rumors of us pursuing him.

[jonbob17]

" Warriors are payign xy amount of money for one player" ..:Well that's not true at all.
Warriors right now on their roster have: resigned Wiggins ( allstar starter) , resigned Poole ( potentially biggest FA name in 2023) , Hall of famers : Steph Curry on non less than supermax, future hall of famer Klay Thompson on max contract and Draymoond Green on max contract.
So five ( 5!) players signed on max contracts.

Draymond Green is on a 4 year/99M...so not a max, and has been insanely valuable to the Warriors on that deal. Are the Warriors going to keep him? I don't know. It seemed like a couple years ago he was starting to decline, but last year was great.

I would have argued a couple years ago that both Klay's and Draymonds deal would have been bad by now. Klay's might be, but Draymond was a big part of their championship run last year. His defense was still incredible. Now can a 6'5" 235 guy continue to dominate at PF and small ball 5 in his mid 30s? I would think it would be hard as he loses some athletic ability, but then you look at a guy like PJ Tucker, still thriving at a similar role at age 37.

I know everyone is throwing dirt on Draymond's time in San Francisco, BUT if I am the warriors and i am choosing between contracts while trying to keep this championship window open, I gotta say Draymond seems much more valuable than a guy like Wiseman($12M in 23, $16M in 24), and last year was FAR, FAR more important than Klay. Maybe Klay bounces back this year, maybe Draymond declines.
If I was running the Warriors I'd dump Klay. Or better yet pay a little more tax and move Wiseman. Or dump both and resign Draymond and another wing.

Are we over thinking this with the Draymond punch drama. Poole plays the same position as Klay and they resigned their SF in Wiggins.

[jonbob17]

Was it ever a legitimate possibility that we could get Poole? I don't remember seeing any news or rumors of us pursuing him.

there were plenty of stories that the Magic would be one of the teams that would be pursuing him next offseason, but probably just NBA bloggers putting things together. The Magic are going to have a lot of cap space, who could they spend it on, who might be a FA.

Obviously the FO couldn't do anything either, that would be pretty egregious tampering. Who knows if he was even on their watch list.

[pepe1991]

" Warriors are payign xy amount of money for one player" ..:Well that's not true at all.
Warriors right now on their roster have: resigned Wiggins ( allstar starter) , resigned Poole ( potentially biggest FA name in 2023) , Hall of famers : Steph Curry on non less than supermax, future hall of famer Klay Thompson on max contract and Draymoond Green on max contract.
So five ( 5!) players signed on max contracts.

Draymond Green is on a 4 year/99M...so not a max, and has been insanely valuable to the Warriors on that deal. Are the Warriors going to keep him? I don't know. It seemed like a couple years ago he was starting to decline, but last year was great.

I would have argued a couple years ago that both Klay's and Draymonds deal would have been bad by now. Klay's might be, but Draymond was a big part of their championship run last year. His defense was still incredible. Now can a 6'5" 235 guy continue to dominate at PF and small ball 5 in his mid 30s? I would think it would be hard as he loses some athletic ability, but then you look at a guy like PJ Tucker, still thriving at a similar role at age 37.

I know everyone is throwing dirt on Draymond's time in San Francisco, BUT if I am the warriors and i am choosing between contracts while trying to keep this championship window open, I gotta say Draymond seems much more valuable than a guy like Wiseman($12M in 23, $16M in 24), and last year was FAR, FAR more important than Klay. Maybe Klay bounces back this year, maybe Draymond declines.
If I was running the Warriors I'd dump Klay. Or better yet pay a little more tax and move Wiseman. Or dump both and resign Draymond and another wing.

Are we over thinking this with the Draymond punch drama. Poole plays the same position as Klay and they resigned their SF in Wiggins.

But Green isn't your traditional star player. He is situational star. Guy is elite at team defense, passing & slip screen pick&roll passing.
His defense would translate on majority of other teams, no dubt.

BUT his offense only works because he happends to play with 2 of best shooting guards this game has ever seen.

There is interesting nugget about Green's performances without Steph Curry over 95 games in his life:
8,2 ppg , 6,6 rpg, 6,0 apg, 2,5 turnovers a game, 40% FG , 29% for 3 and most important part: plus minus of -297.


He isn't guy who will set pick& do strong roll. Last year his percentile in pick&rolls, as rolling big was sub 50. ( 40th percentile).
IN season where Curry didn't play, his percentile was shameful 11th as he shot 40% FG on pathetic 0,76 ppp.
Again, his offense works because once he gets the ball he has luxury that almost nobody ever had. He has Klay Thompson spotting up in one corner, Steph Curry standing at 30 feet is still a treat, everybody is at high alert and don't really track him down, and yet ,he really isn't very good at scoring on his own, despite almost never being guarded closley by anyone.

This does not even take in account that during whole season last year, guy made 16 threes. Took 54. 39 of them wide open, 10 open. So again, it's not like anybody is out there defending him once he gets the ball, if he is outside 3 feet.
Futher more, 70% of all his shots he took, were inside 10 feet. He shot 30% for all shots outside 10 feet.

He, on his own, is compete no treat to do anything but pass on offense.

IF you remove him from system that has Steph Curry and Klay Thompson and Wiggins / Durant , at this stage, is complete and utter liability on offense because he doesn't do anything well but pass off catch. So you would probably prefer to have some better all around player who isn't as good defender but is way more versitale overall ( Sabonis for example, who does same things, just doesn't have Curry & Klay, is better rebounder, probably as good as passer, but not as good defender, but light years ahead of Green in terms of ability to score ).

Giving up 4 years contract after this season will mean you are paying 6'6 PF without serious offense probably $30M a year at age of 33-37. One Steph Curry rolled ankle ( age near 35) and you are in salary hell.

[Skybox]

There's only a small handful of spots where Green could go and flourish...I hate it, but I see him with LAL next year and flourishing on a discounted deal.

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There's only a small handful of spots where Green could go and flourish...I hate it, but I see him with LAL next year and flourishing on a discounted deal.

This is probably true due to the fact that Klutch Sports is Lebron James’ personal talent mill, that he uses at his disposal, when he wants to change the roster for whichever organization he happens to be playing for.

How this is legal is beyond me. You should probably place your bet that it happens at some point soon.

[pepe1991]

There's only a small handful of spots where Green could go and flourish...I hate it, but I see him with LAL next year and flourishing on a discounted deal.

Probably some Dame Lillard- centric team.

[Skybox]

There's only a small handful of spots where Green could go and flourish...I hate it, but I see him with LAL next year and flourishing on a discounted deal.

This is probably true due to the fact that Klutch Sports is Lebron James’ personal talent mill, that he uses at his disposal, when he wants to change the roster for whichever organization he happens to be playing for.

How this is legal is beyond me. You should probably place your bet that it happens at some point soon.

Yeah...how a player owning an agency (that represents other players) isn't a conflict of interest is beyond me. LBJ has tremendous leverage and is constantly pushing that advantage. I don't blame him for being a revolutionary individual in that sense, but lots of industries don't allow things like that and the NBA has a real imperative to maintain competitive balance (for the owners-who ultimately own the league).

[pepe1991]

There's only a small handful of spots where Green could go and flourish...I hate it, but I see him with LAL next year and flourishing on a discounted deal.

This is probably true due to the fact that Klutch Sports is Lebron James’ personal talent mill, that he uses at his disposal, when he wants to change the roster for whichever organization he happens to be playing for.

How this is legal is beyond me. You should probably place your bet that it happens at some point soon.

Yeah...how a player owning an agency (that represents other players) isn't a conflict of interest is beyond me. LBJ has tremendous leverage and is constantly pushing that advantage. I don't blame him for being a revolutionary individual in that sense, but lots of industries don't allow things like that and the NBA has a real imperative to maintain competitive balance (for the owners-who ultimately own the league).

Guy week ago was pushing to buy new nba team in Vegas... Like dude...you are not even retired.

his fake player's agency runned by " his friend" has been joke and living reminder Silver has no control over nba, rather is just object of manipulation. When times to nogotiate new CBA deal comes, both parties will be pushing him around like a puppet.

[MagicFan101]

Honest question:

Is the Golden State 2nd unit a better rebuild squad than any starting 5 we currently have??

DiVicenzo
Poole
Moody
Kuminga
Wiseman

[thelead]

Honest question:

Is the Golden State 2nd unit a better rebuild squad than any starting 5 we currently have??

DiVicenzo
Poole
Moody
Kuminga
Wiseman

I would take our roster but I did have to think about it for a second. There’s also too many unknowns from both sides to truly know how it all plays out.

[MagicFan101]

Honest question:

Is the Golden State 2nd unit a better rebuild squad than any starting 5 we currently have??

DiVicenzo
Poole
Moody
Kuminga
Wiseman

I would take our roster but I did have to think about it for a second. There’s also too many unknowns from both sides to truly know how it all plays out.

… and then you remember that is the bench for the defending champs. They do it right.

[jonbob17]

Honest question:

Is the Golden State 2nd unit a better rebuild squad than any starting 5 we currently have??

DiVicenzo
Poole
Moody
Kuminga
Wiseman

No, it's not even remotely close. Poole is currently better than some of our starters. Kuminga, Moody, and Wiseman combined for 36 minutes on opening night.

Golden State seems to get a lot of credit for drafting guys, and rightfully so, Curry, Klay, Green, and I guess Poole too. But these recent picks after they completely and disgustingly tanked. AND they chose Wiseman over Ball and Kuminga over Franz. Moody might still turn out to be a good pick. But those other two look like real stinkers.

[VFX]

Honest question:

Is the Golden State 2nd unit a better rebuild squad than any starting 5 we currently have??

DiVicenzo
Poole
Moody
Kuminga
Wiseman

DiVicenzo - Fultz (?) - wash
Poole > Ross/Suggs
Moody < Franz
Kuminga < Paolo
Wiseman < Carter

Magic still get blown out by their starters that they’ve been able to keep because they paid $500 million in luxury tax.