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Re: What's next? 

Post#201 » by Skybox » Wed Feb 22, 2023 3:10 pm

basketballRob wrote:I think Bol will get traded at the draft. He can't stay in front of anyone on the perimeter. I'd rather replace him with Walker

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Then you have to ask...who's trading for him? and what are they offering?

I'm not a fan, but, at the contract...even I would keep him and just see if that 10% chance he could become something really useful develops - rather than give him away. Now, if someone really wants him and we could get something better than meaningless 2rps...
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Re: What's next? 

Post#202 » by Knightro » Wed Feb 22, 2023 3:32 pm

I don’t care for Bol much at all, but retaining him for a shade over $2M is a no brainer unless someone comes with a solid trade offer.
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Re: What's next? 

Post#203 » by VFX » Wed Feb 22, 2023 3:54 pm

Knightro wrote:I don’t care for Bol much at all, but retaining him for a shade over $2M is a no brainer unless someone comes with a solid trade offer.


I think he’s going to be a good trade chip either this or next season.

Not enough minutes to go around if Isaac is actually healthy and playing serious minutes.

I wouldn’t play Bol at C.
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Re: What's next? 

Post#204 » by fendilim » Wed Feb 22, 2023 4:01 pm

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Knightro wrote:I don’t care for Bol much at all, but retaining him for a shade over $2M is a no brainer unless someone comes with a solid trade offer.


I think he’s going to be a good trade chip either this or next season.

Not enough minutes to go around if Isaac is actually healthy and playing serious minutes.

I wouldn’t play Bol at C.
i think his value decreases by trade deadline next year.

I believe he is UFA by the end of next season.

Is he extension eligible?
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Re: What's next? 

Post#205 » by VFX » Wed Feb 22, 2023 4:27 pm

fendilim wrote:
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Knightro wrote:I don’t care for Bol much at all, but retaining him for a shade over $2M is a no brainer unless someone comes with a solid trade offer.


I think he’s going to be a good trade chip either this or next season.

Not enough minutes to go around if Isaac is actually healthy and playing serious minutes.

I wouldn’t play Bol at C.
i think his value decreases by trade deadline next year.

I believe he is UFA by the end of next season.

Is he extension eligible?


I believe Orlando does have the team option on him.
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Re: What's next? 

Post#206 » by VFX » Wed Feb 22, 2023 4:31 pm

Knightro wrote:I don’t care for Bol much at all, but retaining him for a shade over $2M is a no brainer unless someone comes with a solid trade offer.


Im interested in what Atlanta is doing with John Collins. Bol could be a good backup for them if they decide to move on.

They have a weird F situation right now between Hunter, Bey, Jalen Johnson, and Griffin. Not a lot of length there outside of Collins.
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Re: What's next? 

Post#207 » by Skin » Wed Feb 22, 2023 4:34 pm

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Skin wrote:He's a bench player who can give us a boost in spurts. There really shouldn't be a big fuss about his weaknesses. We could do a lot worse


Sure, but i dont know if he is even in the rotation when we are healthy. JI will take his minutes. Better to trade him and get some value.

Bol is positionless. He could play 1-5 at Mosely's disgression.
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Post#208 » by zaymon » Wed Feb 22, 2023 8:12 pm

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zaymon wrote:
Skin wrote:He's a bench player who can give us a boost in spurts. There really shouldn't be a big fuss about his weaknesses. We could do a lot worse


Sure, but i dont know if he is even in the rotation when we are healthy. JI will take his minutes. Better to trade him and get some value.

Bol is positionless. He could play 1-5 at Mosely's disgression.


He could play 1-5 and be a minus player on all positions. He is a more skilled Bamba.
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Post#209 » by Skin » Wed Feb 22, 2023 9:13 pm

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Sure, but i dont know if he is even in the rotation when we are healthy. JI will take his minutes. Better to trade him and get some value.

Bol is positionless. He could play 1-5 at Mosely's disgression.


He could play 1-5 and be a minus player on all positions. He is a more skilled Bamba.

What a weak stretch. Bamba can't dribble 2 times in a row and at most could only play 2 positions... and he cost about 4-5 times the amount. Like it or not, Bol is one of WeHam's calculative moves in aquiring. I don't think they are going to toss him for scraps.

What examples of trade value are you referring to.... that we should try trade him "while he still has value"?
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Post#210 » by Skin » Wed Feb 22, 2023 9:30 pm

Title of this thread is What's next?

Let's hear some ideas of improvement instead of player bashing.
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Re: What's next? 

Post#211 » by drsd » Thu Feb 23, 2023 7:49 am

Skin wrote:Title of this thread is What's next?

Let's hear some ideas of improvement instead of player bashing.


Right now, I think "what's next" is simply a real player commitment to focus and work. I think the players believe the can make the play-ins. And it will be fun to see the effort, even if they are not ultimately successful.

The off-season will probably finalise the roster. So that will be fun to see.

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Post#212 » by zaymon » Thu Feb 23, 2023 12:59 pm

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zaymon wrote:
Skin wrote:Bol is positionless. He could play 1-5 at Mosely's disgression.


He could play 1-5 and be a minus player on all positions. He is a more skilled Bamba.

What a weak stretch. Bamba can't dribble 2 times in a row and at most could only play 2 positions... and he cost about 4-5 times the amount. Like it or not, Bol is one of WeHam's calculative moves in aquiring. I don't think they are going to toss him for scraps.

What examples of trade value are you referring to.... that we should try trade him "while he still has value"?


I said more skilled, so dribbling is a skill. Both Bol and Bamba are long, thin, cant really defend but can block, can shoot, both are afraid to do anything on the floor. Bol is better ball handler but still cant dribble without losing the ball.

I have NO idea what is Bol worth right now. I wont even pretend i know.
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Re: What's next? 

Post#213 » by MartinsIzAfraud » Thu Feb 23, 2023 8:31 pm

Skin wrote:Title of this thread is What's next?

Let's hear some ideas of improvement instead of player bashing.


I want to see the FO use the cap space and go get a dude like FVV and see how it works with our 2 rookie contract guys and Paolo + Franz. Go get a difference maker and not 2-3 retreads who we know who they are.
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Re: What's next? 

Post#214 » by pepe1991 » Fri Feb 24, 2023 6:49 am

MartinsIzAfraud wrote:
Skin wrote:Title of this thread is What's next?

Let's hear some ideas of improvement instead of player bashing.


I want to see the FO use the cap space and go get a dude like FVV and see how it works with our 2 rookie contract guys and Paolo + Franz. Go get a difference maker and not 2-3 retreads who we know who they are.


You mean: find few more 6'9 players with Biyombo level jumpshot? :D
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Re: What's next? 

Post#215 » by Skin » Wed Mar 1, 2023 8:55 pm

What's next...

Well, we are getting to the same point of failure that we faced in our last rebuild effort. Fournier, Oladipo, Harris, Gordon all fighting for playing time followed by the drafting of Hezonja who plays the same positions. Everything about his add was wrong. Wrong evaluation that he was the actual BPA. Wrong evaluation that we should draft straight BPA vs BPA that fits a need. Wrong evaluation that his shooting was better than the guys we had. Wrong evaluation that we could find playing time for him. Wrong in not trying to trade up for Porzingis. Passing on Myles Turner and Devin Booker...

Now, we have a whole lotta young guys in Fultz, Suggs, Anthony, Houstan, Okeke, Franz, Bol, Isaac, Banchero, WCj, Mo.... Plus 2 Lottery picks!!

So what can we learn? Consolidate assets and Get Your Guy!

It's becoming clearer and clearer that Brandon Miller "the basketball player" is the guy who addresses everything we need. Brandon Miller "the guy off the court" is a lot more in question. ...but hopefully, WeHam look past that.

Round 1 - Trade both lottery picks and Suggs to get Miller. If you don't need to add all 3, great. But if 2 of the 3 don't work, I cave.
Round 2 - Draft Trayce Jackson-Davis. Big who is a legitimate rim protector and won't hurt you elsewhere.

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PG Markelle Fultz / Cole Anthony / MCW
SG Brandon Miller / Caleb Houstan
SF Franz Wagner / Jonathan Isaac
PF Paolo Banchero / Chuma Okeke / Bol Bol
C Wendell Carter Jr / Mo Wagner / Trayce Jackson-Davis
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Re: What's next? 

Post#216 » by Bensational » Thu Mar 9, 2023 2:40 am

Man, I can’t get over Sacramento’s meteoric rise in the regular season standings. Currently #3 in the west. Their only major addition over the off-season was Keegan Murray, but also Sabonis had obviously not yet had a chance to show his impact.

In some ways it reminds me of Phoenix adding Paul to a young core. Or New Orleans adding CJ, Cleveland adding Mitchell.

Our team is very much on that trajectory. Considering that we’re 22-19 since December 7, I think we are primed for a quality veteran addition and then a sudden appearance in the 5-8 seed playoff battles in the East.

We’ve got 2 potential lottery picks and a bunch of potential cap space to make that happen. If everyone but Paolo and Franz is on the table, then we have a stable of intriguing young guys who could fetch a good return.

To me, that’s what’s next. Lottery seeding will determine a lot about how we go about the next moves though.
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Re: What's next? 

Post#217 » by flying_mollusk » Thu Mar 9, 2023 4:22 am

Bensational wrote:Man, I can’t get over Sacramento’s meteoric rise in the regular season standings. Currently #3 in the west. Their only major addition over the off-season was Keegan Murray, but also Sabonis had obviously not yet had a chance to show his impact.

In some ways it reminds me of Phoenix adding Paul to a young core. Or New Orleans adding CJ, Cleveland adding Mitchell.

Our team is very much on that trajectory. Considering that we’re 22-19 since December 7, I think we are primed for a quality veteran addition and then a sudden appearance in the 5-8 seed playoff battles in the East.

We’ve got 2 potential lottery picks and a bunch of potential cap space to make that happen. If everyone but Paolo and Franz is on the table, then we have a stable of intriguing young guys who could fetch a good return.

To me, that’s what’s next. Lottery seeding will determine a lot about how we go about the next moves though.


Thing is, every one of those teams took some degree of a risk. The Kings took flak for trading Haliburton for Sabonis. Everyone thought CP was washed up and a terrible contract. Mitchell was good move but even he had defensive questions.

So any move we make unlikely won’t be a clear cut win. But might be work the risk to take us to the next level.
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Re: What's next? 

Post#218 » by eyriq » Thu Mar 9, 2023 5:14 am

flying_mollusk wrote:
Bensational wrote:Man, I can’t get over Sacramento’s meteoric rise in the regular season standings. Currently #3 in the west. Their only major addition over the off-season was Keegan Murray, but also Sabonis had obviously not yet had a chance to show his impact.

In some ways it reminds me of Phoenix adding Paul to a young core. Or New Orleans adding CJ, Cleveland adding Mitchell.

Our team is very much on that trajectory. Considering that we’re 22-19 since December 7, I think we are primed for a quality veteran addition and then a sudden appearance in the 5-8 seed playoff battles in the East.

We’ve got 2 potential lottery picks and a bunch of potential cap space to make that happen. If everyone but Paolo and Franz is on the table, then we have a stable of intriguing young guys who could fetch a good return.

To me, that’s what’s next. Lottery seeding will determine a lot about how we go about the next moves though.


Thing is, every one of those teams took some degree of a risk. The Kings took flak for trading Haliburton for Sabonis. Everyone thought CP was washed up and a terrible contract. Mitchell was good move but even he had defensive questions.

So any move we make unlikely won’t be a clear cut win. But might be work the risk to take us to the next level.


Orlando doesn't have much mystery around our needed "level up" move. That move is to provide more development time for Franz and Paolo. I really think they are the key drivers for our leveling up.

Development time for Suggs and this year's lottery picks, finding veterans to fill roles, and developing Bol, Houstan, and Goga into good role players are also all important but I think they pale in importance compared to just giving Franz and Paolo everything they need to succeed.
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Re: What's next? 

Post#219 » by fendilim » Fri Mar 10, 2023 8:10 am

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So to say our team last year, one of the worst teams in the league, could have signed someone significant without overpaying…. It is mind boggling.
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