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Re: Draft this then trade that 

Post#21 » by RookieStar » Sun Apr 23, 2023 10:16 pm

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Skybox wrote:Depending on where ORL lands in the draft, they will obviously draft different players. Which draftees could trigger an immediate trade conversation? What will the "type" be that the suddenly available Magic player might be traded for? Specific reasonable targets would be nice - if you have them.

For Example...If we land at #1 and draft Wemby, does WCJ suddenly become available to be moved for that scoring guard we need? Simons.

*I'd say not necessarily as WCJ could be a fantastic bench player at 4/5 and be a good foil for Wemby's less physical style and skinny (for now at least) frame. WCJ is fantastic depth on a good deal. I wouldn't cling to him, but it'd have to be a really solid target. I'd go straight up for Anfernee Simons, but perhaps would see who we get with CHI pick first.

Scoot...IMO, Fultz is immediately available for trade/cap relief - before his extension conversation comes up and destroys any trade value he MAY even have. If Weltman drafted Amen or even Cason Wallace with the belief that they are starting PG material - Same. Even if the rook isn't ready, I'd get by with Cole or Suggs holding down the spot until mid-season.

I don't see any others who immediately trigger a trade except any number of SG's that might trigger a trade or even decline team option of Gary Harris (Harris could actual have some trade value to a contender on a budget).

I see Wemby off the bench as he needs to build his body to handle the NBA


THIS. Seriously, no one is looking at the elephant in the room? Wemby would get killed by the thiccer SF in the league, how much more against the roided C.

Unless he does the Dwight Howard special in the summer, we need to build him up slowly. Or at best, start him but load manage he heck ou of him.
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Re: Draft this then trade that 

Post#22 » by The Effect » Sun Apr 23, 2023 11:49 pm

tiderulz wrote:
Skybox wrote:Depending on where ORL lands in the draft, they will obviously draft different players. Which draftees could trigger an immediate trade conversation? What will the "type" be that the suddenly available Magic player might be traded for? Specific reasonable targets would be nice - if you have them.

For Example...If we land at #1 and draft Wemby, does WCJ suddenly become available to be moved for that scoring guard we need? Simons.

*I'd say not necessarily as WCJ could be a fantastic bench player at 4/5 and be a good foil for Wemby's less physical style and skinny (for now at least) frame. WCJ is fantastic depth on a good deal. I wouldn't cling to him, but it'd have to be a really solid target. I'd go straight up for Anfernee Simons, but perhaps would see who we get with CHI pick first.

Scoot...IMO, Fultz is immediately available for trade/cap relief - before his extension conversation comes up and destroys any trade value he MAY even have. If Weltman drafted Amen or even Cason Wallace with the belief that they are starting PG material - Same. Even if the rook isn't ready, I'd get by with Cole or Suggs holding down the spot until mid-season.

I don't see any others who immediately trigger a trade except any number of SG's that might trigger a trade or even decline team option of Gary Harris (Harris could actual have some trade value to a contender on a budget).

I see Wemby off the bench as he needs to build his body to handle the NBA

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

There isnt a team in the NBA that could get the first pick this year where Wemby isnt the day 1 starter if healthy
Even the 76ers, Nuggets etc....

Hell the timberwolves could get the #1 pick and hes starting while one of KAT or Rudy are moving to the bench

Wemby is the best rookie prospect since lebron, and hell might even be a better "draft prospect" (lebron lived up to it, would never expect any player to reach what guys like lebron, kobe and MJ did) than lebron, who still had some question about him as well
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Re: Draft this then trade that 

Post#23 » by tiderulz » Mon Apr 24, 2023 12:02 am

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tiderulz wrote:
Skybox wrote:Depending on where ORL lands in the draft, they will obviously draft different players. Which draftees could trigger an immediate trade conversation? What will the "type" be that the suddenly available Magic player might be traded for? Specific reasonable targets would be nice - if you have them.

For Example...If we land at #1 and draft Wemby, does WCJ suddenly become available to be moved for that scoring guard we need? Simons.

*I'd say not necessarily as WCJ could be a fantastic bench player at 4/5 and be a good foil for Wemby's less physical style and skinny (for now at least) frame. WCJ is fantastic depth on a good deal. I wouldn't cling to him, but it'd have to be a really solid target. I'd go straight up for Anfernee Simons, but perhaps would see who we get with CHI pick first.

Scoot...IMO, Fultz is immediately available for trade/cap relief - before his extension conversation comes up and destroys any trade value he MAY even have. If Weltman drafted Amen or even Cason Wallace with the belief that they are starting PG material - Same. Even if the rook isn't ready, I'd get by with Cole or Suggs holding down the spot until mid-season.

I don't see any others who immediately trigger a trade except any number of SG's that might trigger a trade or even decline team option of Gary Harris (Harris could actual have some trade value to a contender on a budget).

I see Wemby off the bench as he needs to build his body to handle the NBA

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

There isnt a team in the NBA that could get the first pick this year where Wemby isnt the day 1 starter if healthy
Even the 76ers, Nuggets etc....

Hell the timberwolves could get the #1 pick and hes starting while one of KAT or Rudy are moving to the bench

Wemby is the best rookie prospect since lebron, and hell might even be a better "draft prospect" (lebron lived up to it, would never expect any player to reach what guys like lebron, kobe and MJ did) than lebron, who still had some question about him as well

and we saw someone with a similar body frame not even make it out of preseason in Holmgren.
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Re: Draft this then trade that 

Post#24 » by thelead » Mon Apr 24, 2023 12:57 am

tiderulz wrote:
The Effect wrote:
tiderulz wrote:I see Wemby off the bench as he needs to build his body to handle the NBA

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

There isnt a team in the NBA that could get the first pick this year where Wemby isnt the day 1 starter if healthy
Even the 76ers, Nuggets etc....

Hell the timberwolves could get the #1 pick and hes starting while one of KAT or Rudy are moving to the bench

Wemby is the best rookie prospect since lebron, and hell might even be a better "draft prospect" (lebron lived up to it, would never expect any player to reach what guys like lebron, kobe and MJ did) than lebron, who still had some question about him as well

and we saw someone with a similar body frame not even make it out of preseason in Holmgren.

Bigs with injury concerns is usually about feet and knees not bulking up and size. Holmgren's injury had nothing to do with lack of body development.
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Re: Draft this then trade that 

Post#25 » by RookieStar » Mon Apr 24, 2023 2:51 am

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tiderulz wrote:
The Effect wrote: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

There isnt a team in the NBA that could get the first pick this year where Wemby isnt the day 1 starter if healthy
Even the 76ers, Nuggets etc....

Hell the timberwolves could get the #1 pick and hes starting while one of KAT or Rudy are moving to the bench

Wemby is the best rookie prospect since lebron, and hell might even be a better "draft prospect" (lebron lived up to it, would never expect any player to reach what guys like lebron, kobe and MJ did) than lebron, who still had some question about him as well

and we saw someone with a similar body frame not even make it out of preseason in Holmgren.

Bigs with injury concerns is usually about feet and knees not bulking up and size. Holmgren's injury had nothing to do with lack of body development.


Isn't lower body strength the thing that anchors your body when it is getting pounded?

Unless Wemby has tree trunk legs i expect he needs a full body development...
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Re: Draft this then trade that 

Post#26 » by thelead » Mon Apr 24, 2023 2:54 am

RookieStar wrote:
thelead wrote:
tiderulz wrote:and we saw someone with a similar body frame not even make it out of preseason in Holmgren.

Bigs with injury concerns is usually about feet and knees not bulking up and size. Holmgren's injury had nothing to do with lack of body development.


Isn't lower body strength the thing that anchors your body when it is getting pounded?

Unless Wemby has tree trunk legs i expect he needs a full body development...

Not sure how adding 25lbs to his base would have prevented this injury:
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Re: Draft this then trade that 

Post#27 » by RookieStar » Mon Apr 24, 2023 3:04 am

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RookieStar wrote:
thelead wrote:Bigs with injury concerns is usually about feet and knees not bulking up and size. Holmgren's injury had nothing to do with lack of body development.


Isn't lower body strength the thing that anchors your body when it is getting pounded?

Unless Wemby has tree trunk legs i expect he needs a full body development...

Not sure how adding 25lbs to his base would have prevented this injury:


We will never know...
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Post#28 » by jonbob17 » Mon Apr 24, 2023 1:17 pm

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MagicMatic wrote:Wemby - Carter obviously

Miller/Dick/Hawkins/George - Harris

Cason Wallace - move Fultz and avoid paying him huge money in a year.

Scoot Henderson - Same situation.

Orlando could draft Hendricks, Whitmore, or Sensabaugh and I don’t think they’d need to move anyone. Probably just won’t play Okeke or Admiral.


Shocked they picked up Okeke’s option, dude is mediocre as ****.


Yah, I have been as disappointed with Okeke as any Magic draft pick. I thought he was going to be a sure thing rotation player, and he hasn't improved...at all. I know there wasn't a lot of PT for him last year but it was a make or break year, and clearly the latter.
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Re: Draft this then trade that 

Post#29 » by zaymon » Mon Apr 24, 2023 7:23 pm

jonbob17 wrote:
MartinsIzAfraud wrote:
MagicMatic wrote:Wemby - Carter obviously

Miller/Dick/Hawkins/George - Harris

Cason Wallace - move Fultz and avoid paying him huge money in a year.

Scoot Henderson - Same situation.

Orlando could draft Hendricks, Whitmore, or Sensabaugh and I don’t think they’d need to move anyone. Probably just won’t play Okeke or Admiral.


Shocked they picked up Okeke’s option, dude is mediocre as ****.


Yah, I have been as disappointed with Okeke as any Magic draft pick. I thought he was going to be a sure thing rotation player, and he hasn't improved...at all. I know there wasn't a lot of PT for him last year but it was a make or break year, and clearly the latter.


Injury and lack of aggression. He still have the tools to be a good rotational forward. He is not a player who thrives with free flow system.
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Re: Draft this then trade that 

Post#30 » by ORLMagicGirl15 » Sun Apr 30, 2023 1:00 pm

fendilim wrote:
zaymon wrote:I will be a little controversial, cant help it its my nature.
Draft Wembenyama- trade Wembenyama
Draft Henderson- trade Henderson

Those two are worth the most and we need their skill set the least. Wembenyama is a freak but i doubt he will be switchable at 7'5 He is also not a good shooter and has propably more injury risk than Chet.
Henderson is midrange scorer, Fultz 2.0. Not a good fit with any of our players outside Carter.

Would rather trade Paolo if we get wemby

It took us 12 seasons to get Paolo, why would we want to trade him after one year? An impressive year at that.
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Re: Draft this then trade that 

Post#31 » by fendilim » Sun Apr 30, 2023 2:13 pm

ORLMagicGirl15 wrote:
fendilim wrote:
zaymon wrote:I will be a little controversial, cant help it its my nature.
Draft Wembenyama- trade Wembenyama
Draft Henderson- trade Henderson

Those two are worth the most and we need their skill set the least. Wembenyama is a freak but i doubt he will be switchable at 7'5 He is also not a good shooter and has propably more injury risk than Chet.
Henderson is midrange scorer, Fultz 2.0. Not a good fit with any of our players outside Carter.

Would rather trade Paolo if we get wemby

It took us 12 seasons to get Paolo, why would we want to trade him after one year? An impressive year at that.
if Wemby becomes the Generational talent that he is, gotta give him the room to grow.
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Post#32 » by yoyojw17 » Sun Apr 30, 2023 3:37 pm

fendilim wrote:
ORLMagicGirl15 wrote:
fendilim wrote:Would rather trade Paolo if we get wemby

It took us 12 seasons to get Paolo, why would we want to trade him after one year? An impressive year at that.
if Wemby becomes the Generational talent that he is, gotta give him the room to grow.


Well... room to grow can be done in many ways.... by throwing a player into the fire... which could still result in failure... or bringing them along in a more stabilized environment.

Victor gets picked up... i see no trades if we are trying to win now and we would have the best bigman rotation in the league with wemby and wendell.

Other than the point guard position.... i don't see a need to drop any core player immediately. player evaluations will still be made in practices and in the time that they play. And as we've seen in this playoffs... having a strong next man up is pretty damn important. grabbing talent is the most important thing right now for us. and at some point... YES... consolidation will be needed for sure... especially when Franz and Paolo get closer to their extensions.
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Re: Draft this then trade that 

Post#33 » by ORLMagicGirl15 » Sun Apr 30, 2023 4:03 pm

fendilim wrote:
ORLMagicGirl15 wrote:
fendilim wrote:Would rather trade Paolo if we get wemby

It took us 12 seasons to get Paolo, why would we want to trade him after one year? An impressive year at that.
if Wemby becomes the Generational talent that he is, gotta give him the room to grow.

And he can grow right besides Paolo and Franz.
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Re: Draft this then trade that 

Post#34 » by zaymon » Sun Apr 30, 2023 4:37 pm

fendilim wrote:
ORLMagicGirl15 wrote:
fendilim wrote:Would rather trade Paolo if we get wemby

It took us 12 seasons to get Paolo, why would we want to trade him after one year? An impressive year at that.
if Wemby becomes the Generational talent that he is, gotta give him the room to grow.


Paolo and Wembenyama are actually not a bad combo. One is big and strong and can protect the paint while the other is tall and can protect the rim.
If i had to choose between Victor and Paolo i would choose Paolo 9/10. All those tall freaks are already vacationing while strong bulky forwards are playing for championship. Victor cant switch, is good but not elite dribbler. He would have to shoot close to Durant to be a star and he is barely 30%. Its possible WCJ will be better player in the long run.
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