Hawks Open to Trading Trae Young

[Bensational]

The Hawks owe multiple unprotected firsts to the Spurs and they have a clear win now coach in Synder, so they aren't going to tank. They'd want more win now pieces than the Magic would be able to offer.

I just don’t see the Hawks trading their best asset if they’re in win-now mode. Snyder has built a (regular season) winning team with Mitchell and Gobert previously so they may as well use that as a template and try to improve where possible.

They’ve got Murray, Collins, Capela, Hunter and Bogdanovic to move to try to upgrade the supporting cast. I’m not sure which good big they could get for that. Maybe the Suns bite on moving Ayton?

[Rainwater]

Trae with another Trae like performance, 30 points and 10 assists; however, shot 9/28, 4/12 from 3, with bad defense and iffy decision making.

[eyriq]

I think they should trade Murray, he seems like a poor fit.

[Knightro]

I think they should trade Murray, he seems like a poor fit.

Murray's a point guard playing off the ball. That's not an easy adjustment for anybody.

And Young is pretty much god awful off the ball even though his catch and shoot percentages have been pretty good.

[cedric76]

Trae with another Trae like performance, 30 points and 10 assists; however, shot 9/28, 4/12 from 3, with bad defense and iffy decision making.

33%fg 5to , terrible défense, terrible attitude, the perfect chucker

[pepe1991]

If somebody here can make a poole Fultz vs Young just for s*** and giggles

[basketballRob]

I'm surprised Griffin wasn't in the Hawks rotation.

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[Skybox]

*In consideration of Trae...

When factoring in salary, questions, defense, efficiency, expected cost to get them...I go Poole over Trae

Both have the same questions but Trae's are far more pronounced...His salary is nuts, his defense is arguably THE WORST, his interpersonal/chemistry/leadership questions are terrifying. Poole has similar questions, but nowhere near the same degree...and, Poole is acknowledged by his whole team as one of the hardest workers out there and his questionable defense is never discussed with the same disgust as Trae. He did get punched, but, from the sound of it, everyone on ATL's roster want to punch Trae-every day. Trae's offensive upside is MVP-caliber, Iverson-like, but the cost to get him will likely be a truckload of picks because of it.

Poole seems more likable and less likely than Trae to come in thinking he's the only guy on the team. I think he's got all of the offensive tools to goose this team's offensive mojo...without leaving the others to watch (at least not to the same extent). Either way, I really like Suggs next to either of them to balance out their games. If Suggs' shooting doesn't continue to improve, our draft pick (Hawkins?) slides right in there and Suggs and Cole continue to make significant contributions off the bench. I'd even consider G. Harris next to Poole, if a better option doesn't present.

Believe me, if we make a move for Trae-I'll be psyched...but, taking a step back and putting my organizational exec hat on, I'm leaning towards a much better acquisition in Poole...who might not require the same gutting of our core.

Out: Fultz, Cole, Isaac, DEN 25 frp, ORL 23 srp
In: Poole, #19

If GSW gets lucky, Fultz is a really good fit with the splash bros-if not, he's a big expiring because money is an issue for them
If GSW gets lucky, Isaac fully recovers and is, arguably, the best player in this trade and he and Draymond lock down the ring(s)
If GSW gets lucky, Cole replaces everything Poole does and extends at a lesser salary while he caddies for Steph

IF ORL gets lucky, Poole instantly becomes a CJ McCollum/Brunson/Harden type all-star once he's given his own team to run. None of the outgoing parts are that critical to ORL's trajectory-as of today. ORL would still have Harris to keep, trade or let walk and a good chunk of cap space for a good vet - Maybe Tre Jones?

Poole/Tre Jones/Bufkin (#19)
Sugg/Hawkins (#11)/G. Harris
Franz/Houstan/Okeke
Paolo/Jarace Walker (#6)/M. Wagner
WCJ/Goga

[pepe1991]

*In consideration of Trae...

When factoring in salary, questions, defense, efficiency, expected cost to get them...I go Poole over Trae

Both have the same questions but Trae's are far more pronounced...His salary is nuts, his defense is arguably THE WORST, his interpersonal/chemistry/leadership questions are terrifying. Poole has similar questions, but nowhere near the same degree...and, Poole is acknowledged by his whole team as one of the hardest workers out there and his questionable defense is never discussed with the same disgust as Trae. He did get punched, but, from the sound of it, everyone on ATL's roster want to punch Trae-every day. Trae's offensive upside is MVP-caliber, Iverson-like, but the cost to get him will likely be a truckload of picks because of it.

Poole seems more likable and less likely than Trae to come in thinking he's the only guy on the team. I think he's got all of the offensive tools to goose this team's offensive mojo...without leaving the others to watch (at least not to the same extent). Either way, I really like Suggs next to either of them to balance out their games. If Suggs' shooting doesn't continue to improve, our draft pick (Hawkins?) slides right in there and Suggs and Cole continue to make significant contributions off the bench. I'd even consider G. Harris next to Poole, if a better option doesn't present.

Believe me, if we make a move for Trae-I'll be psyched...but, taking a step back and putting my organizational exec hat on, I'm leaning towards a much better acquisition in Poole...who might not require the same gutting of our core.

Out: Fultz, Cole, Isaac, DEN 25 frp, ORL 23 srp
In: Poole, #19

If GSW gets lucky, Fultz is a really good fit with the splash bros-if not, he's a big expiring because money is an issue for them
If GSW gets lucky, Isaac fully recovers and is, arguably, the best player in this trade and he and Draymond lock down the ring(s)
If GSW gets lucky, Cole replaces everything Poole does and extends at a lesser salary while he caddies for Steph

IF ORL gets lucky, Poole instantly becomes a CJ McCollum/Brunson/Harden type all-star once he's given his own team to run. None of the outgoing parts are that critical to ORL's trajectory-as of today. ORL would still have Harris to keep, trade or let walk and a good chunk of cap space for a good vet - Maybe Tre Jones?

Poole/Tre Jones/Bufkin (#19)
Sugg/Hawkins (#11)/G. Harris
Franz/Houstan/Okeke
Paolo/Jarace Walker (#6)/M. Wagner
WCJ/Goga

I would rather pay Young $40M than Poole $30M a year.

Logic behind it: Young is top tear PG and he is also amazing passer with above average scorer ( too high usage imo) than Poole who is high usage chucker , brings similar problems like Trae but also isn't even 30% of a passer Young is.

[jayu70]

The Hawks owe multiple unprotected firsts to the Spurs and they have a clear win now coach in Synder, so they aren't going to tank. They'd want more win now pieces than the Magic would be able to offer.

I just don’t see the Hawks trading their best asset if they’re in win-now mode. Snyder has built a (regular season) winning team with Mitchell and Gobert previously so they may as well use that as a template and try to improve where possible.

They’ve got Murray, Collins, Capela, Hunter and Bogdanovic to move to try to upgrade the supporting cast. I’m not sure which good big they could get for that. Maybe the Suns bite on moving Ayton?

Hawks will give Quin time to work with Trae and by all reports it's off to a great start.

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[cedric76]

*In consideration of Trae...

When factoring in salary, questions, defense, efficiency, expected cost to get them...I go Poole over Trae

Both have the same questions but Trae's are far more pronounced...His salary is nuts, his defense is arguably THE WORST, his interpersonal/chemistry/leadership questions are terrifying. Poole has similar questions, but nowhere near the same degree...and, Poole is acknowledged by his whole team as one of the hardest workers out there and his questionable defense is never discussed with the same disgust as Trae. He did get punched, but, from the sound of it, everyone on ATL's roster want to punch Trae-every day. Trae's offensive upside is MVP-caliber, Iverson-like, but the cost to get him will likely be a truckload of picks because of it.

Poole seems more likable and less likely than Trae to come in thinking he's the only guy on the team. I think he's got all of the offensive tools to goose this team's offensive mojo...without leaving the others to watch (at least not to the same extent). Either way, I really like Suggs next to either of them to balance out their games. If Suggs' shooting doesn't continue to improve, our draft pick (Hawkins?) slides right in there and Suggs and Cole continue to make significant contributions off the bench. I'd even consider G. Harris next to Poole, if a better option doesn't present.

Believe me, if we make a move for Trae-I'll be psyched...but, taking a step back and putting my organizational exec hat on, I'm leaning towards a much better acquisition in Poole...who might not require the same gutting of our core.

Out: Fultz, Cole, Isaac, DEN 25 frp, ORL 23 srp
In: Poole, #19

If GSW gets lucky, Fultz is a really good fit with the splash bros-if not, he's a big expiring because money is an issue for them
If GSW gets lucky, Isaac fully recovers and is, arguably, the best player in this trade and he and Draymond lock down the ring(s)
If GSW gets lucky, Cole replaces everything Poole does and extends at a lesser salary while he caddies for Steph

IF ORL gets lucky, Poole instantly becomes a CJ McCollum/Brunson/Harden type all-star once he's given his own team to run. None of the outgoing parts are that critical to ORL's trajectory-as of today. ORL would still have Harris to keep, trade or let walk and a good chunk of cap space for a good vet - Maybe Tre Jones?

Poole/Tre Jones/Bufkin (#19)
Sugg/Hawkins (#11)/G. Harris
Franz/Houstan/Okeke
Paolo/Jarace Walker (#6)/M. Wagner
WCJ/Goga

What??

Huge overpay for Poole, you can't be serious

[Skybox]

*In consideration of Trae...

When factoring in salary, questions, defense, efficiency, expected cost to get them...I go Poole over Trae

Both have the same questions but Trae's are far more pronounced...His salary is nuts, his defense is arguably THE WORST, his interpersonal/chemistry/leadership questions are terrifying. Poole has similar questions, but nowhere near the same degree...and, Poole is acknowledged by his whole team as one of the hardest workers out there and his questionable defense is never discussed with the same disgust as Trae. He did get punched, but, from the sound of it, everyone on ATL's roster want to punch Trae-every day. Trae's offensive upside is MVP-caliber, Iverson-like, but the cost to get him will likely be a truckload of picks because of it.

Poole seems more likable and less likely than Trae to come in thinking he's the only guy on the team. I think he's got all of the offensive tools to goose this team's offensive mojo...without leaving the others to watch (at least not to the same extent). Either way, I really like Suggs next to either of them to balance out their games. If Suggs' shooting doesn't continue to improve, our draft pick (Hawkins?) slides right in there and Suggs and Cole continue to make significant contributions off the bench. I'd even consider G. Harris next to Poole, if a better option doesn't present.

Believe me, if we make a move for Trae-I'll be psyched...but, taking a step back and putting my organizational exec hat on, I'm leaning towards a much better acquisition in Poole...who might not require the same gutting of our core.

Out: Fultz, Cole, Isaac, DEN 25 frp, ORL 23 srp
In: Poole, #19

If GSW gets lucky, Fultz is a really good fit with the splash bros-if not, he's a big expiring because money is an issue for them
If GSW gets lucky, Isaac fully recovers and is, arguably, the best player in this trade and he and Draymond lock down the ring(s)
If GSW gets lucky, Cole replaces everything Poole does and extends at a lesser salary while he caddies for Steph

IF ORL gets lucky, Poole instantly becomes a CJ McCollum/Brunson/Harden type all-star once he's given his own team to run. None of the outgoing parts are that critical to ORL's trajectory-as of today. ORL would still have Harris to keep, trade or let walk and a good chunk of cap space for a good vet - Maybe Tre Jones?

Poole/Tre Jones/Bufkin (#19)
Sugg/Hawkins (#11)/G. Harris
Franz/Houstan/Okeke
Paolo/Jarace Walker (#6)/M. Wagner
WCJ/Goga

What??

Huge overpay for Poole, you can't be serious

I offered a bench player, an overpaid non-player, and an overpaid guy who would be a bench player on any other team plus a pick likely to be in the late 20's and a 2nd...for the best player in the trade (by a mile) and a better pick than we sent out that we can cash in this year...Actually, now I'm feeling bad for insulting GSW when I read it back

...Everything in there is a "hope" for GSW other than the fat deals having outs and the understanding (our hope) that they consider Poole redundant to their other star players and fear cap hell more than they fear losing his 20+ ppg.

[cedric76]

*In consideration of Trae...

When factoring in salary, questions, defense, efficiency, expected cost to get them...I go Poole over Trae

Both have the same questions but Trae's are far more pronounced...His salary is nuts, his defense is arguably THE WORST, his interpersonal/chemistry/leadership questions are terrifying. Poole has similar questions, but nowhere near the same degree...and, Poole is acknowledged by his whole team as one of the hardest workers out there and his questionable defense is never discussed with the same disgust as Trae. He did get punched, but, from the sound of it, everyone on ATL's roster want to punch Trae-every day. Trae's offensive upside is MVP-caliber, Iverson-like, but the cost to get him will likely be a truckload of picks because of it.

Poole seems more likable and less likely than Trae to come in thinking he's the only guy on the team. I think he's got all of the offensive tools to goose this team's offensive mojo...without leaving the others to watch (at least not to the same extent). Either way, I really like Suggs next to either of them to balance out their games. If Suggs' shooting doesn't continue to improve, our draft pick (Hawkins?) slides right in there and Suggs and Cole continue to make significant contributions off the bench. I'd even consider G. Harris next to Poole, if a better option doesn't present.

Believe me, if we make a move for Trae-I'll be psyched...but, taking a step back and putting my organizational exec hat on, I'm leaning towards a much better acquisition in Poole...who might not require the same gutting of our core.

Out: Fultz, Cole, Isaac, DEN 25 frp, ORL 23 srp
In: Poole, #19

If GSW gets lucky, Fultz is a really good fit with the splash bros-if not, he's a big expiring because money is an issue for them
If GSW gets lucky, Isaac fully recovers and is, arguably, the best player in this trade and he and Draymond lock down the ring(s)
If GSW gets lucky, Cole replaces everything Poole does and extends at a lesser salary while he caddies for Steph

IF ORL gets lucky, Poole instantly becomes a CJ McCollum/Brunson/Harden type all-star once he's given his own team to run. None of the outgoing parts are that critical to ORL's trajectory-as of today. ORL would still have Harris to keep, trade or let walk and a good chunk of cap space for a good vet - Maybe Tre Jones?

Poole/Tre Jones/Bufkin (#19)
Sugg/Hawkins (#11)/G. Harris
Franz/Houstan/Okeke
Paolo/Jarace Walker (#6)/M. Wagner
WCJ/Goga

What??

Huge overpay for Poole, you can't be serious

I offered a bench player, an overpaid non-player, and an overpaid guy who would be a bench player on any other team plus a pick likely to be in the late 20's and a 2nd...for the best player in the trade (by a mile) and a better pick than we sent out that we can cash in this year...Actually, now I'm feeling bad for insulting GSW when I read it back

...Everything in there is a "hope" for GSW other than the fat deals having outs and the understanding (our hope) that they consider Poole redundant to their other star players and fear cap hell more than they fear losing his 20+ ppg.

I think you are overrating Poole (by a MILE)

[VFX]

I’m surprised this thread is as long as it is.

Hypothetically, what does a trade for Trae Young even look like without Franz and Paolo?

Both firsts and some combination of Fultz, Isaac, and Gary Harris for Trae and filler?

I’d still pass.

[Skybox]

What??

Huge overpay for Poole, you can't be serious

I offered a bench player, an overpaid non-player, and an overpaid guy who would be a bench player on any other team plus a pick likely to be in the late 20's and a 2nd...for the best player in the trade (by a mile) and a better pick than we sent out that we can cash in this year...Actually, now I'm feeling bad for insulting GSW when I read it back

...Everything in there is a "hope" for GSW other than the fat deals having outs and the understanding (our hope) that they consider Poole redundant to their other star players and fear cap hell more than they fear losing his 20+ ppg.

I think you are overrating Poole (by a MILE)

Yeah. You said that already - but it’s all you said

[ogmagicfan]

*In consideration of Trae...

When factoring in salary, questions, defense, efficiency, expected cost to get them...I go Poole over Trae

Both have the same questions but Trae's are far more pronounced...His salary is nuts, his defense is arguably THE WORST, his interpersonal/chemistry/leadership questions are terrifying. Poole has similar questions, but nowhere near the same degree...and, Poole is acknowledged by his whole team as one of the hardest workers out there and his questionable defense is never discussed with the same disgust as Trae. He did get punched, but, from the sound of it, everyone on ATL's roster want to punch Trae-every day. Trae's offensive upside is MVP-caliber, Iverson-like, but the cost to get him will likely be a truckload of picks because of it.

Poole seems more likable and less likely than Trae to come in thinking he's the only guy on the team. I think he's got all of the offensive tools to goose this team's offensive mojo...without leaving the others to watch (at least not to the same extent). Either way, I really like Suggs next to either of them to balance out their games. If Suggs' shooting doesn't continue to improve, our draft pick (Hawkins?) slides right in there and Suggs and Cole continue to make significant contributions off the bench. I'd even consider G. Harris next to Poole, if a better option doesn't present.

Believe me, if we make a move for Trae-I'll be psyched...but, taking a step back and putting my organizational exec hat on, I'm leaning towards a much better acquisition in Poole...who might not require the same gutting of our core.

Out: Fultz, Cole, Isaac, DEN 25 frp, ORL 23 srp
In: Poole, #19

If GSW gets lucky, Fultz is a really good fit with the splash bros-if not, he's a big expiring because money is an issue for them
If GSW gets lucky, Isaac fully recovers and is, arguably, the best player in this trade and he and Draymond lock down the ring(s)
If GSW gets lucky, Cole replaces everything Poole does and extends at a lesser salary while he caddies for Steph

IF ORL gets lucky, Poole instantly becomes a CJ McCollum/Brunson/Harden type all-star once he's given his own team to run. None of the outgoing parts are that critical to ORL's trajectory-as of today. ORL would still have Harris to keep, trade or let walk and a good chunk of cap space for a good vet - Maybe Tre Jones?

Poole/Tre Jones/Bufkin (#19)
Sugg/Hawkins (#11)/G. Harris
Franz/Houstan/Okeke
Paolo/Jarace Walker (#6)/M. Wagner
WCJ/Goga

I would rather pay Young $40M than Poole $30M a year.

Logic behind it: Young is top tear PG and he is also amazing passer with above average scorer ( too high usage imo) than Poole who is high usage chucker , brings similar problems like Trae but also isn't even 30% of a passer Young is.

Agreed. Poole's value has dropped tremendously as well. His performance in Game 6 and this recent series has been awful. I believe increased usage could help him a bit in more consistency, but I don't like his game close to as much as last year.

Trae is a great passer, and I'd hope his efficiency would go up with lower usage. 22 & 9-10 asts would be great for our team. His defense is inexcusable.

Question is, do you think Suggs can cover for his defensive holes, and do you think this is worth compromising our flexibility, and we should rather wait for another player to want out that's better & a good fit?

[jezzerinho]

The Harden trade dream probably died yesterday. Happy for the Beard, tho.