The Real Dalic wrote:The reason we defend Trump is because he did transfer power over peacefully, he told people to protest peacefully, unlike Leftist leaders who told Antifa and BLM to continue the violence in that very same summer.
Trump also told them to go home. I'm not going to get into what actually happened that day since people on the Left consider it a "conspiracy theory" even though we know people that were involved there with receipts.
So we're not going to act like...
1. Trump didn't tell multiple States to Stop/Start votes in order for him to get the victory in those States (Which he himself posted on his Twitter). Also, had his base in multiple states going out to multiple polling locations screaming "Stop the Votes" or "Keep Counting the Votes" which was hilarious to watch.
2. Called Said state officials during the election process to "Find" Votes in his favor and proceeded to threaten them if they didn't do what he said (Which was also recorded in multiple phone calls which is part of his pending indictment)
3. That "Peaceful" Storming of the Capitol where 5 people were killed and many were assaulted including policemen. On top of that leading to said followers trying to hurt Congressmen once they entered the chambers. That has nothing to do with BLM and Antifa (Which you're conflating with the George Floyd protest oddly from a few years before in 2020). He has to take responsibility for that Just like how any other Presidents takes responsibility of anything that happens under their watch or command (I.E. Obama with Syria and Benghazi or Bush with the Iraq war the Economic downturn of 2008).
4. KNOWINGLY telling FOX News to spew out said conspiracies of a stolen election through Tucker Carlson and others. (Leading to Fox News getting SUED AND LOSING 787.5 million dollars to pay out to Dominion Voting for Libel, which also led to Tucker Carlson getting fired. They also have another 1.6 Billion Dollar suite over the same Libel/Conspiracy Allegations as well with another Voting Ballot Company). Funny thing was in those text messages even those at Fox News who were communicating with Trump said it was bullcrap but knew it would get the people watching and fired up (I.E. all about the sensationalism and money.)
5. Trump per last Indictment he was told he was projected to lose in November 2022, and he told multiple individuals that regardless he lost he'd say the election was stolen. There are 6+ witnesses on his team from what I believe who are confirming this conversation took place. On top of that if it was a "peaceful" transition why announce it was a stolen election? Most of the crap that followed and what I just mentioned wouldn't have even occurred if he just conceded. Now he's looking like 4-6 indictments and a **** ton of lawsuits that he'll be unlikely to get out of because of his extreme narcissism. That's probably why he's running for President now, just to avoid getting hit with all these legal troubles.
I'm not even adding the "Stop the Steal" fundraiser that was investigated about in conjunction with the January 6th stuff. ALL 200 Million Dollars never went to any sort legal services on behalf of challenging the decision. It all seemed to be "lost" though it was most likely split up between Trump and Giuliani. I'm not even putting this in my bullet points because we can't certainly prove this happening. But the other aspects of what were mentioned were.
Also, this is is how they get you. You're indoctrinated to an idea or cult like belief/setting. Like any Religion or Group you have to have an extreme/central idea that you believe through and through. You live in an hive mind and then you have an enemy (which in this case is the "extreme left".) I think Trump has evolved his base to the point where its him against the world essentially which is pretty impressive. Everything is everyone else's fault but his and you should only believe him over anyone else (For example Mike Pence who is extremely conservative and went against Trump but Trump's base absolutely despises him). Once you get to the point no logic or sense will hit you until you let go of that defensive fear/anger that you have and you start seeing clearly what's going on.
The Real Dalic wrote:He used every legal way to try to make sure it was a legitimate election, I don't believe it was at all for ever a second, but he did everything that was legally allowed and the coward that is Pence didn't even try.
Going through the courts after. That's the big bad thing that Trump did.
Meanwhile, Hilary Clinton to this day hasn't conceded and still lies about Russians being involved in 2016. It's not just her either, Stacy Abrams ran twice in GA for Governor and denied the results both times and also hasn't conceded either time.
This is honestly the cherry on top as to what I said previously.
I'll go back to my post about I mentioned before. Trump was cool with Hilary and Bill for DECADES up until the election where he just decided to go into a Lane/Base which wasn't being heard and was essentially forgotten about. Once he realized how desperate and un-informed they were he was able to exploit them. I've seen this tactic happen in similar movements (although more niche like Redpill) Where guys who never had the best luck of women and were generally angry and were seen as the lowest common denominators started supporting the Andrew Tates of the world without realizing how horrible of a person he was. And at this point they don't even care because he just panders even though he doesn't generally believe what he says half the time like Trump.
But this iteration its poor to middle class Caucasians in rural/suburban areas who had been **** by NAFTA since the 90s as that transition created the loss of many jobs over the years to Mexico (while also being replaced by AI/Technology/Robotics) + being **** over by career politicians who took more progressive stances and made it seem like they cared about people of color and the LGBTQ community more than them making them feel like they were being left behind in all facets and haven't voted in years. But Trump like Obama for African American demographic was the "saving grace".
My thing has always been for the Trump movement that he's been a Trust Fund Baby since birth. He doesn't doesn't like lower class individuals, and since he's owned and run businesses after being a trust fund child he's actively tried to screw with underprivileged people for by forcing them out in many locations in New York. Given how he is and his general history he's never really concerned himself with any sort of basic social service with his country with the average citizen to understand exactly what they go through. As a matter of fact when he go through his interviews about his policies when it comes to domestic issues like healthcare, taxes for the middle class, and immigration in 2016 it seemed like he had no idea what he was talking about at all. But again, just saying the basic stuff like "Get Immigrants Out", "Drain the Swamp", and "Make America Great Again" without much substance got him the win the 2016 (Outside of Hilary Clinton being a completely knob and a Darth Vader-esque career politician, lol).
