The Jalen Suggs Thread

[eyriq]

It's unselfish to throw the ball down court because you're possibly taking yourself out of the play.

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Ah, that makes sense. He seems to have a very sophisticated understanding of the game.

He's a high level QB...if he could handle better, he'd be PG. Maybe someday

Either way, I try not to blurt it out too often, but I think that, ultimately, he'll be top 4 in his class (along with Franz)

I can see it.

[cedric76]

Looking at NBA 2K player archetypes. First impression, they have way too many. But interestingly, this is Suggs' group:

2-Way 3-Level Shot Creator
Paul George
Anthony Edwards
De’Anthony Melton
Kyle Lowry
Jalen Suggs
Davion Mitchell
Jae Crowder


Whereas here is Gary Harris:

3 & D Two Guard
Quentin Grimes
Gary Harris
Rodney McGruder

2k sucks

[eyriq]

Looking at NBA 2K player archetypes. First impression, they have way too many. But interestingly, this is Suggs' group:

2-Way 3-Level Shot Creator
Paul George
Anthony Edwards
De’Anthony Melton
Kyle Lowry
Jalen Suggs
Davion Mitchell
Jae Crowder


Whereas here is Gary Harris:

3 & D Two Guard
Quentin Grimes
Gary Harris
Rodney McGruder

2k sucks

Haha maybe, but I do like their archetypes and rating system.

[pepe1991]

Looking at NBA 2K player archetypes. First impression, they have way too many. But interestingly, this is Suggs' group:

2-Way 3-Level Shot Creator
Paul George
Anthony Edwards
De’Anthony Melton
Kyle Lowry
Jalen Suggs
Davion Mitchell
Jae Crowder


Whereas here is Gary Harris:

3 & D Two Guard
Quentin Grimes
Gary Harris
Rodney McGruder

2k sucks

Haha maybe, but I do like their archetypes and rating system.

It's strange that there aren't many ( or any that i know) individual pages who track games based on algorithmics performances and grade players after games. Soccer/football has plenty of those.

Basketball still mostly sticks to raw box score numbers, PPG, APG, RPG, SPG, BPG and plus minus for projection of grade. Needless to say how flawed sistem is, if you know that almost 1/4th of nba players average 15 ppg at least

[Skybox]

Ah, that makes sense. He seems to have a very sophisticated understanding of the game.

He's a high level QB...if he could handle better, he'd be PG. Maybe someday

Either way, I try not to blurt it out too often, but I think that, ultimately, he'll be top 4 in his class (along with Franz)

I can see it.

Our whole team defies categories

Black - undersized PF with PG handles and defense. Lacks outside shooting. "Big PG by default" (Giddey, Simmons, Barnes all PG dreams)
Suggs - everything and nothing at the same time. Incomplete picture. "SG by default"
Anthony - small SG with PG handles "PG by default"
WCJ - big 80's PF without enough shake for modern game. "C by default"
Fultz - undersized PF skills with great handles. Lacks outside shooting. "PG by default"
Banchero - Gargantuan SG. Has unique combo of ballhandling, perimeter shake, and ability to run right over anyone. "PF by default"
Franz - 6'10 with combo guard skills. Lacks rebounding and old-school post offense. Agile but not quite enough for SG. "SF/PF by default"
Harris - textbook backup modern 3 & D shooting guard. No significant offensive creation like top modern SG's
Jett - dynamic scorer with big SF body...but on same team as Franz and Ingles, so he better learn to defend SG's "SG-by need"
Chuma - small forward body with bulk to play up at PF, good team defender, promising years ago, forgot how to shoot "bench by default"
Goga - textbook backup modern C. Big. Physical. Rebounds and defends rim ok. Will hit an open 3 if you leave him.
M. Wags - traffic cone on D. Gets hot from outside sometimes. Gets opponents hot from inside (their heads). "Fun bench big by default"

[Residual-Heat]

Some defensive highlights from last night
https://streamable.com/3osl4w

[tiderulz]

He's a high level QB...if he could handle better, he'd be PG. Maybe someday

Either way, I try not to blurt it out too often, but I think that, ultimately, he'll be top 4 in his class (along with Franz)

I can see it.

Our whole team defies categories

Black - undersized PF with PG handles and defense. Lacks outside shooting. "Big PG by default" (Giddey, Simmons, Barnes all PG dreams) - huh? undersized PF?
Suggs - everything and nothing at the same time. Incomplete picture. "SG by default"
Anthony - small SG with PG handles "PG by default"
WCJ - big 80's PF without enough shake for modern game. "C by default"
Fultz - undersized PF skills with great handles. Lacks outside shooting. "PG by default" another huh. undersized PF skills?
Banchero - Gargantuan SG. Has unique combo of ballhandling, perimeter shake, and ability to run right over anyone. "PF by default" do not see him as a big SG at all.
Franz - 6'10 with combo guard skills. Lacks rebounding and old-school post offense. Agile but not quite enough for SG. "SF/PF by default"
Harris - textbook backup modern 3 & D shooting guard. No significant offensive creation like top modern SG's
Jett - dynamic scorer with big SF body...but on same team as Franz and Ingles, so he better learn to defend SG's "SG-by need"
Chuma - small forward body with bulk to play up at PF, good team defender, promising years ago, forgot how to shoot "bench by default"
Goga - textbook backup modern C. Big. Physical. Rebounds and defends rim ok. Will hit an open 3 if you leave him.
M. Wags - traffic cone on D. Gets hot from outside sometimes. Gets opponents hot from inside (their heads). "Fun bench big by default"

[Skybox]

I can see it.

Our whole team defies categories

Black - undersized PF with PG handles and defense. Lacks outside shooting. "Big PG by default" (Giddey, Simmons, Barnes all PG dreams) - huh? undersized PF?
Suggs - everything and nothing at the same time. Incomplete picture. "SG by default"
Anthony - small SG with PG handles "PG by default"
WCJ - big 80's PF without enough shake for modern game. "C by default"
Fultz - undersized PF skills with great handles. Lacks outside shooting. "PG by default" another huh. undersized PF skills?
Banchero - Gargantuan SG. Has unique combo of ballhandling, perimeter shake, and ability to run right over anyone. "PF by default" do not see him as a big SG at all.
Franz - 6'10 with combo guard skills. Lacks rebounding and old-school post offense. Agile but not quite enough for SG. "SF/PF by default"
Harris - textbook backup modern 3 & D shooting guard. No significant offensive creation like top modern SG's
Jett - dynamic scorer with big SF body...but on same team as Franz and Ingles, so he better learn to defend SG's "SG-by need"
Chuma - small forward body with bulk to play up at PF, good team defender, promising years ago, forgot how to shoot "bench by default"
Goga - textbook backup modern C. Big. Physical. Rebounds and defends rim ok. Will hit an open 3 if you leave him.
M. Wags - traffic cone on D. Gets hot from outside sometimes. Gets opponents hot from inside (their heads). "Fun bench big by default"

Black & Fultz have no perimeter shooting skills. They spend their time around the rim, so I (kiddingly ) called them throwback PF's in Guard bodies.

Banchero, on the other hand, has nearly elite perimeter skills, in terms of ballhandling and driving around & over guys as well as court vision. He crosses people up on the perimeter but he's as big as most Centers...He certainly doesn't hang out in the post and drop in sky hooks!

Maybe it's a Freaky Friday thing where Fultz and Banchero switched bodies.

[drsd]

Needless to say how flawed sistem is, if you know that almost 1/4th of nba players average 15 ppg at least

Specifically, 96 players hit that mark last year.

Take it to 10 ppg, there were 177 players that hit that mark last year. That is, essentially half the NBA averaged 10ppg. And Jalen Suggs, Terrence Ross and Gary Harris - the Magic "shooting" guards - were not on that list.

[The-Stallion70]

I mean, Tony Allen and Marcus Smart were really strong and had quick hands but I don't remember if they could get into guys heads like Suggs can. Suggs straight up hounds the guy in like an animalistic way.

Last thing I want is him guarding me.

[CarraT]

He is really elite on defensive end. If he plays enough minutes, he will be top3 guard in DPOY conversation

[fateis007]

Last year Suggs sold me. I made a post saying he was the first player I had seen close out and win us a game with defense, since Dwight. He literally made like 4-5 defensive plays with 4-5 mins left that won us that game. This kid is special.

[uraverage]

I mean, Tony Allen and Marcus Smart were really strong and had quick hands but I don't remember if they could get into guys heads like Suggs can. Suggs straight up hounds the guy in like an animalistic way.

Last thing I want is him guarding me.

I see this too. The thing that got me last season was how Suggs's attitude(passion) was contagious and lifted Cole's defense. There were times last season I was sold on them being the future back court. Does defense still win championships?

[JoshuaPotter]

Needless to say how flawed sistem is, if you know that almost 1/4th of nba players average 15 ppg at least

Specifically, 96 players hit that mark last year.

Take it to 10 ppg, there were 177 players that hit that mark last year. That is, essentially half the NBA averaged 10ppg. And Jalen Suggs, Terrence Ross and Gary Harris - the Magic "shooting" guards - were not on that list.

But we have such a wonderful glut of talent.

(Not sure how to do green font anymore.)

[drsd]

Needless to say how flawed sistem is, if you know that almost 1/4th of nba players average 15 ppg at least

Specifically, 96 players hit that mark last year.

Take it to 10 ppg, there were 177 players that hit that mark last year. That is, essentially half the NBA averaged 10ppg. And Jalen Suggs, Terrence Ross and Gary Harris - the Magic "shooting" guards - were not on that list.

But we have such a wonderful glut of talent.

(Not sure how to do green font anymore.)

There you go.