Next fight...WCJ

[Skybox]

Always been a WCJ fan, but feels very replaceable. He's solid. He plays his role well. I just wish he did one of protect the rim or shoot the 3 at a high level.

I am nt sure I would take Bitadze out of the starting lineup now, for example.

Bitadze is “good enough”, can WCJ get us Brogdon or Simons? (Or similar?)

[drsd]

Always been a WCJ fan, but feels very replaceable. He's solid. He plays his role well. I just wish he did one of protect the rim or shoot the 3 at a high level.

I am nt sure I would take Bitadze out of the starting lineup now, for example.

Bitadze is “good enough”, can WCJ get us Brogdon or Simons? (Or similar?)

Why choose:
Brogdon AND Simons for Fultz, Carter, G-Harris, the Denver pick, two unprotected FRPs, and a future FRP pickswap.


Brogdon/Anthony/Black
Simons/Suggs/Howard
F-Wagner/Ingles/Houstan
Banchero/Isaac/Okeke
Bitadze/M-Wagner/some-dude

I like that starting five 200X over the Fultz/Suggs led starting five. If it costs Carter, so be it.
I could see that roster contending in 2024/25.

[basketballRob]

2 expiring contracts, Wendell on a great contract, and 3 first round picks for Simons and Brogdon? I wouldn't do that. That package would get you Pascal, Markannen, Donovan Mitchell, or some other player of that caliber.

I'd give like Fultz, Okeke, and 3 seconds for Simons. Portland probably wants off his contract. Simons has been a negatively rated player for his whole career so far.

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[tiderulz]

2 expiring contracts, Wendell on a great contract, and 3 first round picks for Simons and Brogdon? I wouldn't do that. That package would get you Pascal, Markannen, Donovan Mitchell, or some other player of that caliber.

I'd give like Fultz, Okeke, and 3 seconds for Simons. Portland probably wants off his contract. Simons has been a negatively rated player for his whole career so far.

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for which stat?

[pepe1991]

Long term, you really can't compete for playoffs with Goga and Mortiz at C. If you get rid of Wendell for whatever reason, you need starting level nba C.

[basketballRob]

Long term, you really can't compete for playoffs with Goga and Mortiz at C. If you get rid of Wendell for whatever reason, you need starting level nba C.

I like Isaac playing center in crunch time. AG played backup center in the playoffs last season and was effective.

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[Skybox]

I am nt sure I would take Bitadze out of the starting lineup now, for example.

Bitadze is “good enough”, can WCJ get us Brogdon or Simons? (Or similar?)

Why choose:
Brogdon AND Simons for Fultz, Carter, G-Harris, the Denver pick, two unprotected FRPs, and a future FRP pickswap.


Brogdon/Anthony/Black
Simons/Suggs/Howard
F-Wagner/Ingles/Houstan
Banchero/Isaac/Okeke
Bitadze/M-Wagner/some-dude

I like that starting five 200X over the Fultz/Suggs led starting five. If it costs Carter, so be it.
I could see that roster contending in 2024/25.

I love the outcome, but that's too many picks and too much depth, IMO...although I value picks lower than most (especially when we're getting better and we have ten children on our roster).
1)I'd be happy to send out more under contract talent (rather than bury them and less picks too) to still have some cap space.
2)Given our young guards' performance lately, I think I'd settle for Simons OR Brogdon, rather than overdo our makeover.
3)I'd rather send a pick than WCJ if at all possible, but moving him is kind of the point of the thread. He's worth a legit first, IMO.

Fultz and Carter for Simons (no picks) ...Fultz might be more enticing now that Scoot's out and Brogdon often misses some time

Fultz and Harris + DEN pick for Brogdon (might have to add worthless 2rps for them to publicly crow about picks)

Fultz, Harris, Carter, Houstan + ORL 24 frp for Simons and Brogdon (this one leads me to shop Cole next-just too many Guards)
...Cole and Chuma, DEN 25 frp to BRK for Claxton (knowing we'll pay him around $18m to keep-have to have a wink wink in place)

Simons/Black
Suggs/Brogdon/Jett...Guard lineups could be very different combos, but ALL are promising or proven
Franz/Ingles
Paolo/Isaac...If Isaac keeps healing, this is a nasty lineup...If not, waive and replace, M. Wagner also here along with SFs
Claxton/Goga/M. Wagner...guys like Kevon, Admiral, and Trevelin can fill in 3rd string (like they should)

[Residual-Heat]

Lets get a starting PG first and see what happens. No need to trade WCJ right now.

[JF5]

There's really nothing wrong with Wendell. He's just always injured.

[yoyojw17]

There's really nothing wrong with Wendell. He's just always injured.

Annnnnnd in this case... it's not knee or soft tissue issue. he got injured making a game winning play for the team in a freak situation. He had a slow start... kind of like franz and paolo... i'm good to wait.... especially at his contract and productivity.

[JF5]

There's really nothing wrong with Wendell. He's just always injured.

Annnnnnd in this case... it's not knee or soft tissue issue. he got injured making a game winning play for the team in a freak situation. He had a slow start... kind of like franz and paolo... i'm good to wait.... especially at his contract and productivity.

On a fantastic contract... he's a good starting center who fits all the check boxes you want in a modern big. I'm trying to figure someone who isn't a star quality big that I would replace him with who are as young as he is. There is simply not too many guys like that.

Just seems like nitpicking. Like not every position you need a star player.

[JF5]

I am nt sure I would take Bitadze out of the starting lineup now, for example.

Bitadze is “good enough”, can WCJ get us Brogdon or Simons? (Or similar?)

Why choose:
Brogdon AND Simons for Fultz, Carter, G-Harris, the Denver pick, two unprotected FRPs, and a future FRP pickswap.


Brogdon/Anthony/Black
Simons/Suggs/Howard
F-Wagner/Ingles/Houstan
Banchero/Isaac/Okeke
Bitadze/M-Wagner/some-dude

I like that starting five 200X over the Fultz/Suggs led starting five. If it costs Carter, so be it.
I could see that roster contending in 2024/25.

So we trade for an older 30 year old injury prone guard in a guard centric league. Whilst trading away an versatile younger (yet injury prone big) big who is one of the better defensive/switching bigs who can stretch the floor in a league that covets such abilities since there are not too many of them.

On top of that you lose a lot of your defensive effectiveness due to Paolo and Franz being only decent to good defenders at best. Pair that with an aging/injury prone Brogdon and Simons who is a horrible defender. This wouldn't be a contending team IMO.

I don't understand trades like this.

[basketballRob]

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[Residual-Heat]

Bitadze is “good enough”, can WCJ get us Brogdon or Simons? (Or similar?)

Why choose:
Brogdon AND Simons for Fultz, Carter, G-Harris, the Denver pick, two unprotected FRPs, and a future FRP pickswap.


Brogdon/Anthony/Black
Simons/Suggs/Howard
F-Wagner/Ingles/Houstan
Banchero/Isaac/Okeke
Bitadze/M-Wagner/some-dude

I like that starting five 200X over the Fultz/Suggs led starting five. If it costs Carter, so be it.
I could see that roster contending in 2024/25.

So we trade for an older 30 year old injury prone guard in a guard centric league. Whilst trading away an versatile younger (yet injury prone big) big wh is one of the better defensive/switching bigs who can stretch the floor in a league that covets such abilities since there are not too many of them.

On top of that you're lose a lot of your defensive effectiveness due to Paolo and Franz being only decent to good defenders at best. Pair that with an aging/injury prone Brogdon and Simons who is a horrible defender. This wouldn't be a contending team IMO.

I don't understand trades like this.

and 3 picks, 2 of them unprotected, AND a pick swap. Just ridiculous.

[yoyojw17]

Why choose:
Brogdon AND Simons for Fultz, Carter, G-Harris, the Denver pick, two unprotected FRPs, and a future FRP pickswap.


Brogdon/Anthony/Black
Simons/Suggs/Howard
F-Wagner/Ingles/Houstan
Banchero/Isaac/Okeke
Bitadze/M-Wagner/some-dude

I like that starting five 200X over the Fultz/Suggs led starting five. If it costs Carter, so be it.
I could see that roster contending in 2024/25.

So we trade for an older 30 year old injury prone guard in a guard centric league. Whilst trading away an versatile younger (yet injury prone big) big wh is one of the better defensive/switching bigs who can stretch the floor in a league that covets such abilities since there are not too many of them.

On top of that you're lose a lot of your defensive effectiveness due to Paolo and Franz being only decent to good defenders at best. Pair that with an aging/injury prone Brogdon and Simons who is a horrible defender. This wouldn't be a contending team IMO.

I don't understand trades like this.

and 3 picks, 2 of them unprotected, AND a pick swap. Just ridiculous.

yeah... haaaaard pass!!

[jonbob17]

Well he has been absolutely horrible so far this year at just about everything, so it's kind of hard to judge how he fits in with current version of the team.

I'd argue he is rated appropriately on defense. He's a good defender in terms of positioning himself, can switch a little bit, but he's not a rim protector, so i doubt he impacts opponent's FG% in the paint.

Once again he's hurt. This is 6th season and he's lasted over 60 games once with 62. There are some COVID years baked in there but still.

If he's a long term keeper for this team I want him taking and making 3s at over 36%. If he's not spacing the floor, I'd rather have a big that is protecting the paint and cleaning up on any over-aggresiveness by our perimeter players. Shooting 3s with his positional defense, rebounds pretty well for his size, decent passer for a big, is a helpful player.

Look WCJ's a good player but if we got offered something interesting for him...sure explore... I mean he's getting paid back up center money, so it is all relative, if this about what his peak looks like, and he wants top 15 starter money, which is probably like $28M a year or so when is contract comes due...that might be a different conversation, because we should be looking at who is the perfect fit next to Paolo at that point....and i am not sure what Paolo will look like in 2.5 years.

WCJ is currently the 17th highest paid center...there are worse older guys paid more and better younger guys paid less...21st based on average salary. I'd say he is probably a top 17-20 center in this league...there are quite a few young centers that look pretty good. I guess if WCJ still can't shoot I'd rather pay one of these young guys a contract something like Poeltl got this offseason. Give me a guy who is going to score 12 points a game on 65%+ from the field. Make guys shots harder in the lane. Maybe we can find the next Kristaps to play next to Paolo in 3 years....i don't know...i also expect Paolo to be making shots by then.

[RichCollab]

Well he has been absolutely horrible so far this year at just about everything, so it's kind of hard to judge how he fits in with current version of the team.

I'd argue he is rated appropriately on defense. He's a good defender in terms of positioning himself, can switch a little bit, but he's not a rim protector, so i doubt he impacts opponent's FG% in the paint.

Once again he's hurt. This is 6th season and he's lasted over 60 games once with 62. There are some COVID years baked in there but still.

If he's a long term keeper for this team I want him taking and making 3s at over 36%. If he's not spacing the floor, I'd rather have a big that is protecting the paint and cleaning up on any over-aggresiveness by our perimeter players. Shooting 3s with his positional defense, rebounds pretty well for his size, decent passer for a big, is a helpful player.

Look WCJ's a good player but if we got offered something interesting for him...sure explore... I mean he's getting paid back up center money, so it is all relative, if this about what his peak looks like, and he wants top 15 starter money, which is probably like $28M a year or so when is contract comes due...that might be a different conversation, because we should be looking at who is the perfect fit next to Paolo at that point....and i am not sure what Paolo will look like in 2.5 years.

WCJ is currently the 17th highest paid center...there are worse older guys paid more and better younger guys paid less...21st based on average salary. I'd say he is probably a top 17-20 center in this league...there are quite a few young centers that look pretty good. I guess if WCJ still can't shoot I'd rather pay one of these young guys a contract something like Poeltl got this offseason. Give me a guy who is going to score 12 points a game on 65%+ from the field. Make guys shots harder in the lane. Maybe we can find the next Kristaps to play next to Paolo in 3 years....i don't know...i also expect Paolo to be making shots by then.

I’m not worried about WCJ’s start. I’m not sure that even merits being part of the conversation.

[Skybox]

Well he has been absolutely horrible so far this year at just about everything, so it's kind of hard to judge how he fits in with current version of the team.

I'd argue he is rated appropriately on defense. He's a good defender in terms of positioning himself, can switch a little bit, but he's not a rim protector, so i doubt he impacts opponent's FG% in the paint.

Once again he's hurt. This is 6th season and he's lasted over 60 games once with 62. There are some COVID years baked in there but still.

If he's a long term keeper for this team I want him taking and making 3s at over 36%. If he's not spacing the floor, I'd rather have a big that is protecting the paint and cleaning up on any over-aggresiveness by our perimeter players. Shooting 3s with his positional defense, rebounds pretty well for his size, decent passer for a big, is a helpful player.

Look WCJ's a good player but if we got offered something interesting for him...sure explore... I mean he's getting paid back up center money, so it is all relative, if this about what his peak looks like, and he wants top 15 starter money, which is probably like $28M a year or so when is contract comes due...that might be a different conversation, because we should be looking at who is the perfect fit next to Paolo at that point....and i am not sure what Paolo will look like in 2.5 years.

WCJ is currently the 17th highest paid center...there are worse older guys paid more and better younger guys paid less...21st based on average salary. I'd say he is probably a top 17-20 center in this league...there are quite a few young centers that look pretty good. I guess if WCJ still can't shoot I'd rather pay one of these young guys a contract something like Poeltl got this offseason. Give me a guy who is going to score 12 points a game on 65%+ from the field. Make guys shots harder in the lane. Maybe we can find the next Kristaps to play next to Paolo in 3 years....i don't know...i also expect Paolo to be making shots by then.

I’m not worried about WCJ’s start. I’m not sure that even merits being part of the conversation.

I agree...I'm not even pondering the concept that WCJ isn't a good player...just what's the right move