Time to reduce injuries keep 2 move 2: JI, Suggs, WCJ, or Fultz.

[Audi]

He is known as a hater where, in your head ? Becouse we believe 10 doctors who said his shoulder is ok instead of 1 who said he has TOS ?
You can defend Fultz if you want, even regardless of logic and reality but it doesnt make you a better person.

Haha, no doctors said his shoulder was “ok” and if you don’t know what a diagnosis by omission is then you should probably go sit at the kids table.

Why are you even rushing to MagicMatic’s defense anyway? We already know you’ve sided against the medical professionals and have ascribed to your own nonsense conspiracy on Fultz. Nobody cares. Ship has sailed. You planted your flag on that distant planet. But as far as I know, MagicMatic’s not taken the plunge into your wild stance and so I’m questioning why he says the things he says when he’s otherwise making perfectly apt points.

Do you believe his shoulders are “ok”?

Me? No, I don’t believe his shoulder(s) are ok.

I believe he has a neurogenic issue such as TOS that gets aggravated from time to time which becomes evident when we see the hitch in his shot.

What I don’t believe is that he has a psychological disorder that doctors and teams have been covering for in a grand conspiracy, as promoted by zaymon and inferred (possibly unknowingly?) by MagicMatic’s use of “injured” in quotations.

[Husky1]

I don't expect JI back after this year. You can't justify giving him any money when he's always hurt, I'm weary of paying Suggs big money for the same reason. Fultz can just walk, wcj I would try to trade

They brought him back this year.

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Is there a chance we have an agreement with JI that after we don’t waive him, he will sign a super team friendly deal next time as we have stood by him making him the highest paid player the whole time he hasn’t played. Same with Fultz, if he’s here after the deadline then we must have an agreement he’ll sign a super team friendly deal as well. This is high reward low risk move for the future to have great depth once we sign P and F to max deals. Not sure what the deals would be, maybe 8-12 mill a year??

[cedric76]

Ji will stay a Magic player, we need him

[Fortune Teller]

Haha, no doctors said his shoulder was “ok” and if you don’t know what a diagnosis by omission is then you should probably go sit at the kids table.

Why are you even rushing to MagicMatic’s defense anyway? We already know you’ve sided against the medical professionals and have ascribed to your own nonsense conspiracy on Fultz. Nobody cares. Ship has sailed. You planted your flag on that distant planet. But as far as I know, MagicMatic’s not taken the plunge into your wild stance and so I’m questioning why he says the things he says when he’s otherwise making perfectly apt points.

Do you believe his shoulders are “ok”?

Me? No, I don’t believe his shoulder(s) are ok.

I believe he has a neurogenic issue such as TOS that gets aggravated from time to time which becomes evident when we see the hitch in his shot.

What I don’t believe is that he has a psychological disorder that doctors and teams have been covering for in a grand conspiracy, as promoted by zaymon and inferred (possibly unknowingly?) by MagicMatic’s use of “injured” in quotations.

If the TOS has re-surfaced and is affecting his shot, that has not been reported or announced by the team. So why is that not a grand conspiracy, but if he has an unreported psychological issue, that would be a grand conspiracy?

Unless you believe he's missed 17 of the first 22 games (and counting) with a sore knee, then you have to pick and choose your conspiracy theory. Because knee tendinitis is all that's been reported.

Plenty of people in Philly doubted he had an anatomical issue in his shoulder causing the hitch in his shot. No one has reported that the shoulder issue has resurfaced in the last year, so you're going out on a limb as much as anyone else claiming that's the problem. Isn't it just as likely that he has the yips? It's not unheard of in sports, and it's nothing to be ashamed of. It is what it is.

[Fortune Teller]

I don't expect JI back after this year. You can't justify giving him any money when he's always hurt, I'm weary of paying Suggs big money for the same reason. Fultz can just walk, wcj I would try to trade

They brought him back this year.

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Is there a chance we have an agreement with JI that after we don’t waive him, he will sign a super team friendly deal next time as we have stood by him making him the highest paid player the whole time he hasn’t played. Same with Fultz, if he’s here after the deadline then we must have an agreement he’ll sign a super team friendly deal as well. This is high reward low risk move for the future to have great depth once we sign P and F to max deals. Not sure what the deals would be, maybe 8-12 mill a year??

I hope not. I don't understand the logic. At that point he will have been on this roster for 8 years, and he's never been healthy. Years 5 through 8 of his tenure he will have been the highest-paid player on the team. So we're already looking forward to bringing him back to be unhealthy and unavailable for another 3 or 4 years, but it's ok because it will be on a better deal? They should just use the halftime t-shirt cannons to shoot tens of millions of dollars out onto Church Street. Same on-court contribution.

[eyriq]

Do you believe his shoulders are “ok”?

Me? No, I don’t believe his shoulder(s) are ok.

I believe he has a neurogenic issue such as TOS that gets aggravated from time to time which becomes evident when we see the hitch in his shot.

What I don’t believe is that he has a psychological disorder that doctors and teams have been covering for in a grand conspiracy, as promoted by zaymon and inferred (possibly unknowingly?) by MagicMatic’s use of “injured” in quotations.

If the TOS has re-surfaced and is affecting his shot, that has not been reported or announced by the team. So why is that not a grand conspiracy, but if he has an unreported psychological issue, that would be a grand conspiracy?

Unless you believe he's missed 17 of the first 22 games (and counting) with a sore knee, then you have to pick and choose your conspiracy theory. Because knee tendinitis is all that's been reported.

Plenty of people in Philly doubted he had an anatomical issue in his shoulder causing the hitch in his shot. No one has reported that the shoulder issue has resurfaced in the last year, so you're going out on a limb as much as anyone else claiming that's the problem. Isn't it just as likely that he has the yips? It's not unheard of in sports, and it's nothing to be ashamed of. It is what it is.

I just looked up the definition of yips. It does sound like it could explain his symptoms. Yikes.

[fendilim]

Do you believe his shoulders are “ok”?

Me? No, I don’t believe his shoulder(s) are ok.

I believe he has a neurogenic issue such as TOS that gets aggravated from time to time which becomes evident when we see the hitch in his shot.

What I don’t believe is that he has a psychological disorder that doctors and teams have been covering for in a grand conspiracy, as promoted by zaymon and inferred (possibly unknowingly?) by MagicMatic’s use of “injured” in quotations.

If the TOS has re-surfaced and is affecting his shot, that has not been reported or announced by the team. So why is that not a grand conspiracy, but if he has an unreported psychological issue, that would be a grand conspiracy?

Unless you believe he's missed 17 of the first 22 games (and counting) with a sore knee, then you have to pick and choose your conspiracy theory. Because knee tendinitis is all that's been reported.

Plenty of people in Philly doubted he had an anatomical issue in his shoulder causing the hitch in his shot. No one has reported that the shoulder issue has resurfaced in the last year, so you're going out on a limb as much as anyone else claiming that's the problem. Isn't it just as likely that he has the yips? It's not unheard of in sports, and it's nothing to be ashamed of. It is what it is.

His TOS never went away. Lmao

That’s the reason why his shot has been weird since his rookie year.

There is no logical explanation why he never went back to his pre-NBA shooting form.

Guy is simply damaged goods.

[Blue_and_Whte]

It's crazy how impactful Isaac is when healthy. It makes his unreliability all the more disappointing. I'm curious to learn what Weltman plans for him.

I was just about to edit my comment with the same thoughts. I mean these injuries seem like they can be played through but obviously they’re going to be overly cautious especially with how much time he’s missed.
Imo we could afford to move on from WCJ and Fultz if it improves the roster.

I'm not ready to move on from WCJ. We've got him on a great contract. Fultz is an easy out, JI is harder, while Suggs is on the verge of being considered a core piece.

JI, I'd let it play out. If he can get up into the mid 20s in minutes per game while staying healthy I'll celebrate like we won the championship. Otherwise, he's cut. Fultz I'd try and trade at the deadline.

I could go either way with WCJ. I like Gogas rim protection and the fact that he doesn’t need the ball. I might be underselling WCJ’s impact, IDK.

[Audi]

Do you believe his shoulders are “ok”?

Me? No, I don’t believe his shoulder(s) are ok.

I believe he has a neurogenic issue such as TOS that gets aggravated from time to time which becomes evident when we see the hitch in his shot.

What I don’t believe is that he has a psychological disorder that doctors and teams have been covering for in a grand conspiracy, as promoted by zaymon and inferred (possibly unknowingly?) by MagicMatic’s use of “injured” in quotations.

If the TOS has re-surfaced and is affecting his shot, that has not been reported or announced by the team. So why is that not a grand conspiracy, but if he has an unreported psychological issue, that would be a grand conspiracy?

Unless you believe he's missed 17 of the first 22 games (and counting) with a sore knee, then you have to pick and choose your conspiracy theory. Because knee tendinitis is all that's been reported.

Plenty of people in Philly doubted he had an anatomical issue in his shoulder causing the hitch in his shot. No one has reported that the shoulder issue has resurfaced in the last year, so you're going out on a limb as much as anyone else claiming that's the problem. Isn't it just as likely that he has the yips? It's not unheard of in sports, and it's nothing to be ashamed of. It is what it is.

To clarify - I think he has knee tendonitis and it’s been keeping him out during this stint. Its also in the same knee that he tore his ACL…I’m not surprised he’s been out this long and will not be surprised with longer. That doesn’t mean his TOS can’t and hasn’t been there causing him issues throughout his time here. We’ve seen that in the past and we saw that recently. He can have two problems at once, no conspiracy necessary! All the more reason for concern for his future on the roster though.

And while yips is a neurological issue (that can be exacerbated by psychological issues like anxiety) and related at least in that sense, it’s still not “just as likely” as TOS. Yes - a hitch in a shot motion could be caused by an involuntary muscle spasm(yips), but the sensations Fultz always reported are not indicative of muscle spasms. All of this stuff was taken into account by medical professionals with far more information than we have. TOS was determined to be the diagnosis after careful consideration and elimination of other potential complications…a proper “diagnosis by exclusion”.

[fendilim]

Me? No, I don’t believe his shoulder(s) are ok.

I believe he has a neurogenic issue such as TOS that gets aggravated from time to time which becomes evident when we see the hitch in his shot.

What I don’t believe is that he has a psychological disorder that doctors and teams have been covering for in a grand conspiracy, as promoted by zaymon and inferred (possibly unknowingly?) by MagicMatic’s use of “injured” in quotations.

If the TOS has re-surfaced and is affecting his shot, that has not been reported or announced by the team. So why is that not a grand conspiracy, but if he has an unreported psychological issue, that would be a grand conspiracy?

Unless you believe he's missed 17 of the first 22 games (and counting) with a sore knee, then you have to pick and choose your conspiracy theory. Because knee tendinitis is all that's been reported.

Plenty of people in Philly doubted he had an anatomical issue in his shoulder causing the hitch in his shot. No one has reported that the shoulder issue has resurfaced in the last year, so you're going out on a limb as much as anyone else claiming that's the problem. Isn't it just as likely that he has the yips? It's not unheard of in sports, and it's nothing to be ashamed of. It is what it is.

I just looked up the definition of yips. It does sound like it could explain his symptoms. Yikes.

The more we should stay away from him then.

He already got the yips even during practice, what more if we made it to the finals. Lol

Although I must say I doubt it is yips. The guy had a good playoff game for the sixers.

[eyriq]

If the TOS has re-surfaced and is affecting his shot, that has not been reported or announced by the team. So why is that not a grand conspiracy, but if he has an unreported psychological issue, that would be a grand conspiracy?

Unless you believe he's missed 17 of the first 22 games (and counting) with a sore knee, then you have to pick and choose your conspiracy theory. Because knee tendinitis is all that's been reported.

Plenty of people in Philly doubted he had an anatomical issue in his shoulder causing the hitch in his shot. No one has reported that the shoulder issue has resurfaced in the last year, so you're going out on a limb as much as anyone else claiming that's the problem. Isn't it just as likely that he has the yips? It's not unheard of in sports, and it's nothing to be ashamed of. It is what it is.

I just looked up the definition of yips. It does sound like it could explain his symptoms. Yikes.

The more we should stay away from him then.

He already got the yips even during practice, what more if we made it to the finals. Lol

Although I must say I doubt it is yips. The guy had a good playoff game for the sixers.

I doubt it's yips, too.

[JoshuaPotter]

Markelle Fultz is mentioned on Yips Wiki page.....

Feels like someone has an agenda here.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yips