Worst Return on Investment in NBA?

[Fortune Teller]

All four players out again last night. Gary Harris and WCJ now nursing different injuries. Can you imagine if the 4 highest-paid employees in your company never did anything while you were busting your a** every day? And we're not talking about one year. We're talking about several years in a row.

[drsd]

All four players out again last night. Gary Harris and WCJ now nursing different injuries. Can you imagine if the 4 highest-paid employees in your company never did anything while you were busting your a** every day? And we're not talking about one year. We're talking about several years in a row.

I thought Carter, Bitadze, and Black are reported to be sick, not injured.

[yoyojw17]

How? These guys aren’t playing and have little trade value. They aren’t positive assets, don’t contribute to wins, and Orlando is winning in spite of them. The Magic don’t really need more youth to develop via draft.

It’s not easy to get minutes, but when guys like Okeke and Houstan are minutes and Paolo/Franz have to play the entire game to remain competitive it’s not ideal when the money can be used elsewhere to help them.

It’s kinda funny to read endless pages of trade proposals of us giving our trash for other teams assets. The value just isn’t there and Orlando will now just have to wait hoping Free Agency provides something. I’d bet these guys expire instead of the off chance we actually got something back for them.

magic were never going to get much value for them ...lol...what good is 1 or 2 more 2nd rd picks with bad money coming back ..if they are so bad why would other team give something of value???? just to funny to me..of course they will just expire

Yes.

However, that wasn’t the case last season necessarily for the value with Fultz in particular. That value has vanished entirely now with another injury prone season as an expiring deal. Gary Harris could have been had for something as well last season before coming in and sucking as bad as he has this year. Isaac hasn’t had value in years and probably won’t until he retires to write books.

But yeah, you are correct that now there isn’t value to be had and the chances Orlando throws a bunch of injured overpaid garbage overboard for something like a starting caliber guard is likely 0% now.

Man.... you'll are just so darn negative it's crazy. Yes... they are getting paid to play.... but they are trying to do their best for their own personal goals and luck or straight of physics+anatomy are not in their favor. It's one thing to state your personal fact... and one could agree... but it's the desire to add the flamboyance that some people do that just takes away from your comment. More often that not... WE... look at these players as pawns .... more than human beings with desires to better themselves.... succeed.... and fight for their dreams.

We were in a transitional phase and it was worth the gamble to the team. Contracts were timed so that they can have their options when the time mattered. We will see how they are looked at NOW after everything and how the FO views their futures with the team.

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magic were never going to get much value for them ...lol...what good is 1 or 2 more 2nd rd picks with bad money coming back ..if they are so bad why would other team give something of value???? just to funny to me..of course they will just expire

Yes.

However, that wasn’t the case last season necessarily for the value with Fultz in particular. That value has vanished entirely now with another injury prone season as an expiring deal. Gary Harris could have been had for something as well last season before coming in and sucking as bad as he has this year. Isaac hasn’t had value in years and probably won’t until he retires to write books.

But yeah, you are correct that now there isn’t value to be had and the chances Orlando throws a bunch of injured overpaid garbage overboard for something like a starting caliber guard is likely 0% now.

Man.... you'll are just so darn negative it's crazy. Yes... they are getting paid to play.... but they are trying to do their best for their own personal goals and luck or straight of physics+anatomy are not in their favor. It's one thing to state your personal fact... and one could agree... but it's the desire to add the flamboyance that some people do that just takes away from your comment. More often that not... WE... look at these players as pawns .... more than human beings with desires to better themselves.... succeed.... and fight for their dreams.

We were in a transitional phase and it was worth the gamble to the team. Contracts were timed so that they can have their options when the time mattered. We will see how they are looked at NOW after everything and how the FO views their futures with the team.

That’s my opinion and how I personally view them. You can believe anything you want. If you think paying someone $14 million because they have a dream is a worthwhile investment, cool.

That’s the point of contracts. The nba, for the most part, is a statistics driven meritocracy. The OP is pointing out that the top 4 highest paid players aren’t available or aren’t contributing heavily to this team’s success. That’s an unfortunate fact. I’m sorry if how I word things bothers you. Actually, no I’m not.

The last part of your statement might be true, but that isn’t really the crux of the OP. My argument is that they had options to deal with these contracts and players like any other franchise. They chose to do nothing and the result is just dead expiring money.

People can talk themselves into that being an asset. I don’t think it’s as valuable as people believe it is. Why? Because outside of resigning our players the money has to become something. You can’t win basketball games with injured guys that never play OR theoretical money that makes up cap space. Free Agency hasn’t been a viable option for Orlando and it remains to be seen and these assets aren’t going to net a valuable return.

I’m not being emotional about these people on the bench that don’t equate to asset value or winning basketball - you are. If you want to start a thread for how much you love Isaac and Fultz as human beings go for it. I’m not here to talk about that. I’m here to talk about Magic basketball and how the FO’s indecision leads to no return on these players as assets for the foreseeable future in a thread talking about ROI.

[MagicFan101]

I don't get the "bad thread" takes. The thread clearly illustrates that we are heavily invested in injury prone players. You can argue that this investment made sense during the tank. It no longer makes sense. I'd expect Weltman is going to address this by moving on from some of these players.

The thread is titled, “Worst Return on Investment in NBA?”


If you understand the purpose of these deals / investments during the tank (as you claim) then surely you must also recognize what that return on investment has been. That is:

1) Paolo
2) Franz
3) Suggs
4) $60+ in expiring contract to build around those pieces


Calling this “worst ROI” in the NBA is why OP isn’t a professional analyst.