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Re: You are the GM of the Magic. What would you do this offseason? 

Post#101 » by eyriq » Thu Jun 20, 2024 4:24 pm

TheWitcher wrote:Klay is cooked, please don’t want this Magic fans unless he can be had cheap (which he won’t be cheap.)

Paul George is just as realistic, and a much better investment.
I don't think he's cooked. He's older and now a roleplayer instead of a star, but as a roleplayer he's one of the best three-point specialists in the league.

Donte DiVinceno, Grayson Allen, Bogdan Bogdanovic are similar roleplayers and will likely end up being much cheaper, but they lack the gravitas that Klay has.

$16-$20 AAV seems to be the market for this job but when you factor in leadership and experience you can justify a markup.

If we are cheap, Hield is the guy.
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Re: You are the GM of the Magic. What would you do this offseason? 

Post#102 » by Skybox » Thu Jun 20, 2024 11:45 pm

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I think we know who the aggressive rebuilders are by how many times they mention "sunk cost".

:meditate: - Meanwhile patient rebuilders..... :meditate:

I am looking at draft night to determine what the clues are for our team. In reality, you could run it back 1 more year or you could use the money you have to add serious pieces. I am thinking we dont use the money and continue to focus on internal development unless the deal of the century falls on the lap.

The problem with a lot of deals is our best assets are the rarest, and our most needed pieces should be the easiest to find and yet our assets to trade for the pieces are by most standards trash.


...and what would the Champs be considered? How about last year's champs?

We patiently drafted our core, got lucky that it didn't take long...NOW, let's not get delayed or dragged down by factoring in "sunk costs" to the math to go to the next level...like BOS didn't cling to Kyrie or Smart or Pierce or Garnett, etc


Um, I don't buy what you are selling.

Granted, that's 2 championships....in 16 years between them. 7 years with Tatum....

That's a lot of time to navigate and then just shove into 12 words.

But yes, they are the creme of the crop right now in terms of player management. Is Ainge still their GM?


No...but Brad Stephens might be even better.

Without even looking...I feel pretty confident that you're not going to show me a championship team that wasn't built without SIGNIFICANT trades or FA acquisitions...It just doesn't make sense to think you're going to ace the draft 5 years in a row and develop enough talent that way to be a serious team.
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Re: You are the GM of the Magic. What would you do this offseason? 

Post#103 » by JoshuaPotter » Fri Jun 21, 2024 1:05 pm

Skybox wrote:
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...and what would the Champs be considered? How about last year's champs?

We patiently drafted our core, got lucky that it didn't take long...NOW, let's not get delayed or dragged down by factoring in "sunk costs" to the math to go to the next level...like BOS didn't cling to Kyrie or Smart or Pierce or Garnett, etc


Um, I don't buy what you are selling.

Granted, that's 2 championships....in 16 years between them. 7 years with Tatum....

That's a lot of time to navigate and then just shove into 12 words.

But yes, they are the creme of the crop right now in terms of player management. Is Ainge still their GM?


No...but Brad Stephens might be even better.

Without even looking...I feel pretty confident that you're not going to show me a championship team that wasn't built without SIGNIFICANT trades or FA acquisitions...It just doesn't make sense to think you're going to ace the draft 5 years in a row and develop enough talent that way to be a serious team.


It has always *almost* had to be a combination. The question always comes down to timing and knowing what you have. Celtics right now, did that very very well. I know very little of Marcus Smart beyond when he almost declared and we thought about picking him over Dipo if he did. Yet I do know he was considered a Celtic superfan and very loved player. I do not think as a GM I would have let him go.

Then again, when I say that, maybe I would have. It all just....depends. I am still relatively speaking out of it in terms of identifying who the modern top tier players are.

*Excluding teams where players naturally always wanted to play for. Something smaller market teams will never be known for.
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Re: You are the GM of the Magic. What would you do this offseason? 

Post#104 » by AdamTheGreek » Fri Jun 21, 2024 3:27 pm

Salary cap is $141 million.
My preferred #1 plan:
Sign Hartenstein, 5 years $100 million. If he says no, sign Claxton to 4 years $60 mil.
Call Brooklyn and send Wendell, Cole, Jett, the 18th pick, 2025 Denver first, and 2026 Phoenix pick swap for Mikal Bridges. Give them Black, too, if that’s what it takes. They can flip Wendell for more.
Sign Tyus Jones for $15 mil. per year.
Sign Gary Trent Jr. or Buddy Hield for $15-19 mil. per year.
Say bye to Fultz, Chuma, Goga, and Harris. Black stays. Decline Ingles’ $11 mil. but re-sign him for less.
Magic 2024-2025 Depth Chart:
C: Hartenstein or Claxton, Moritz, pick #47 or vet. third string big
PF: Paolo, Isaac, Ingles
SF: Franz, Black (closer to a 3 and D, than PG currently), Houstan
SG: Bridges, Trent Jr. or Hield, Kevon/Queen
PG: Suggs, Tyus Jones, McClung

My 2nd preference:
Sign Hartenstein or Claxton.
Call Atlanta and do Wendell, Cole, Jett, the 2025 Denver first, and 2026 Phoenix pick swap for Dejounte Murray.
Say bye to Fultz and Harris. Black stays. Waive Ingles but re-sign him for less.
Sign Gary Trent Jr. or Buddy Hield.
We have 18 and 47 still.
Magic 2024-2025 Depth Chart:
C: Hartenstein or Claxton, Moritz, pick #47
PF: Paolo, Isaac, Ingles
SF: Franz, Tristan da Silva or some other forward at 18, Houstan
SG: Suggs, Trent Jr. or Hield, Kevon/Queen
PG: Dejounte, Black, McClung

3rd and last option:
Sign Hartenstein or Claxton.
Call Portland for Anfernee Simons and Malcolm Brogdon, trade them Wendell, Cole, Jett, our 18th pick, and the Denver 2025 pick.
Sign-and-trade Fultz for Matisse Thybulle.
Magic 2024-2025 Depth Chart:
C: Hartenstein or Claxton, Moritz, pick #47
PF: Paolo, Isaac, Houstan
SF: Franz, Thybulle, Ingles
SG: Suggs, Black, Kevon/Queen
PG: Simons, Brogdon, McClung
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Re: You are the GM of the Magic. What would you do this offseason? 

Post#105 » by VFX » Fri Jun 21, 2024 3:59 pm

AdamTheGreek wrote:Salary cap is $141 million.
My preferred #1 plan:
Sign Hartenstein, 5 years $100 million. If he says no, sign Claxton to 4 years $60 mil.
Call Brooklyn and send Wendell, Cole, Jett, the 18th pick, 2025 Denver first, and 2026 Phoenix pick swap for Mikal Bridges. Give them Black, too, if that’s what it takes. They can flip Wendell for more.
Sign Tyus Jones for $15 mil. per year.
Sign Gary Trent Jr. or Buddy Hield for $15-19 mil. per year.
Say bye to Fultz, Chuma, Goga, and Harris. Black stays. Decline Ingles’ $11 mil. but re-sign him for less.
Magic 2024-2025 Depth Chart:
C: Hartenstein or Claxton, Moritz, pick #47 or vet. third string big
PF: Paolo, Isaac, Ingles
SF: Franz, Black (closer to a 3 and D, than PG currently), Houstan
SG: Bridges, Trent Jr. or Hield, Kevon/Queen
PG: Suggs, Tyus Jones, McClung

My 2nd preference:
Sign Hartenstein or Claxton.
Call Atlanta and do Wendell, Cole, Jett, the 2025 Denver first, and 2026 Phoenix pick swap for Dejounte Murray.
Say bye to Fultz and Harris. Black stays. Waive Ingles but re-sign him for less.
Sign Gary Trent Jr. or Buddy Hield.
We have 18 and 47 still.
Magic 2024-2025 Depth Chart:
C: Hartenstein or Claxton, Moritz, pick #47
PF: Paolo, Isaac, Ingles
SF: Franz, Tristan da Silva or some other forward at 18, Houstan
SG: Suggs, Trent Jr. or Hield, Kevon/Queen
PG: Dejounte, Black, McClung

3rd and last option:
Sign Hartenstein or Claxton.
Call Portland for Anfernee Simons and Malcolm Brogdon, trade them Wendell, Cole, Jett, our 18th pick, and the Denver 2025 pick.
Sign-and-trade Fultz for Matisse Thybulle.
Magic 2024-2025 Depth Chart:
C: Hartenstein or Claxton, Moritz, pick #47
PF: Paolo, Isaac, Houstan
SF: Franz, Thybulle, Ingles
SG: Suggs, Black, Kevon/Queen
PG: Simons, Brogdon, McClung


Option 2 or 3. Not huge on giving up Black + 2-3 firsts + Carter. That’s a lot of assets/ draft capital.

But I absolutely think IH or Claxton need to be acquired for next season.

Option 1 relies entirely on whether Brooklyn is blowing it up. If Claxton resigns there I doubt they move MB.
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Re: You are the GM of the Magic. What would you do this offseason? 

Post#106 » by eyriq » Fri Jun 21, 2024 4:26 pm

AdamTheGreek wrote:Salary cap is $141 million.
My preferred #1 plan:
Sign Hartenstein, 5 years $100 million. If he says no, sign Claxton to 4 years $60 mil.
Call Brooklyn and send Wendell, Cole, Jett, the 18th pick, 2025 Denver first, and 2026 Phoenix pick swap for Mikal Bridges. Give them Black, too, if that’s what it takes. They can flip Wendell for more.
Sign Tyus Jones for $15 mil. per year.
Sign Gary Trent Jr. or Buddy Hield for $15-19 mil. per year.
Say bye to Fultz, Chuma, Goga, and Harris. Black stays. Decline Ingles’ $11 mil. but re-sign him for less.
Magic 2024-2025 Depth Chart:
C: Hartenstein or Claxton, Moritz, pick #47 or vet. third string big
PF: Paolo, Isaac, Ingles
SF: Franz, Black (closer to a 3 and D, than PG currently), Houstan
SG: Bridges, Trent Jr. or Hield, Kevon/Queen
PG: Suggs, Tyus Jones, McClung

My 2nd preference:
Sign Hartenstein or Claxton.
Call Atlanta and do Wendell, Cole, Jett, the 2025 Denver first, and 2026 Phoenix pick swap for Dejounte Murray.
Say bye to Fultz and Harris. Black stays. Waive Ingles but re-sign him for less.
Sign Gary Trent Jr. or Buddy Hield.
We have 18 and 47 still.
Magic 2024-2025 Depth Chart:
C: Hartenstein or Claxton, Moritz, pick #47
PF: Paolo, Isaac, Ingles
SF: Franz, Tristan da Silva or some other forward at 18, Houstan
SG: Suggs, Trent Jr. or Hield, Kevon/Queen
PG: Dejounte, Black, McClung

3rd and last option:
Sign Hartenstein or Claxton.
Call Portland for Anfernee Simons and Malcolm Brogdon, trade them Wendell, Cole, Jett, our 18th pick, and the Denver 2025 pick.
Sign-and-trade Fultz for Matisse Thybulle.
Magic 2024-2025 Depth Chart:
C: Hartenstein or Claxton, Moritz, pick #47
PF: Paolo, Isaac, Houstan
SF: Franz, Thybulle, Ingles
SG: Suggs, Black, Kevon/Queen
PG: Simons, Brogdon, McClung
Great stuff, outside of possibly trading Black
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Re: You are the GM of the Magic. What would you do this offseason? 

Post#107 » by jonbob17 » Fri Jun 21, 2024 4:40 pm

First I would use the draft pick. Best available. Seems like the guards I like will be gone, maybe Topic slides? Otherwise I like Some of the wings and bigs, particularly Filipowski.

Free Agency sign one…hopefully
1. Paul George, seems doubtful, but who knows.
2. Harden - I think he’s gettable. Reading 3/90 from Clippers, surely 2/80 would get him to Orlando. 3 years 110 makes me nervous, but would might make that move depending on rest of FA/trade market.
3. Russell - just offers too much of what the Magic need and makes too much sense.
4. KCP - this is the last of free agents I would be ok with adding to the starting unit.

If we strike out well we’re screwed. I like the idea of trading for a scoring guard, but never know who is available until they are available. Still a slim hope Mitchell becomes available at some point.

I guess we could trade for Brogdon, he’d be perfect if he could stay healthy, but that seems impossible.

Short of that I’d probably just hold my nose and sign Chris Paul and try to add some shooting to the back of the rotation, maybe be patient and look to the deadline to upgrade…

Ideal line up for 2024-25

Harden/Cole
Suggs/Black/Howard
Franz/FA or Houstan
Paolo/Mo
WCJ/JI

I’d probably try to sign another forward into Ingles spot, maybe Highsmith, Batum would be nice. But again we’re probably adding a forward or big through draft, I still like Houstan.

I’d like to retain Goga, but not sure how we can convince him to stay when we couldn’t get him minutes. At the same time I am not convinced JI is past his health issues. Might be best to move JI while healthy and the defensive stats.
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Re: You are the GM of the Magic. What would you do this offseason? 

Post#108 » by Skybox » Fri Jun 21, 2024 5:05 pm

MagicMatic wrote:
AdamTheGreek wrote:Salary cap is $141 million.
My preferred #1 plan:
Sign Hartenstein, 5 years $100 million. If he says no, sign Claxton to 4 years $60 mil.
Call Brooklyn and send Wendell, Cole, Jett, the 18th pick, 2025 Denver first, and 2026 Phoenix pick swap for Mikal Bridges. Give them Black, too, if that’s what it takes. They can flip Wendell for more.
Sign Tyus Jones for $15 mil. per year.
Sign Gary Trent Jr. or Buddy Hield for $15-19 mil. per year.
Say bye to Fultz, Chuma, Goga, and Harris. Black stays. Decline Ingles’ $11 mil. but re-sign him for less.
Magic 2024-2025 Depth Chart:
C: Hartenstein or Claxton, Moritz, pick #47 or vet. third string big
PF: Paolo, Isaac, Ingles
SF: Franz, Black (closer to a 3 and D, than PG currently), Houstan
SG: Bridges, Trent Jr. or Hield, Kevon/Queen
PG: Suggs, Tyus Jones, McClung

My 2nd preference:
Sign Hartenstein or Claxton.
Call Atlanta and do Wendell, Cole, Jett, the 2025 Denver first, and 2026 Phoenix pick swap for Dejounte Murray.
Say bye to Fultz and Harris. Black stays. Waive Ingles but re-sign him for less.
Sign Gary Trent Jr. or Buddy Hield.
We have 18 and 47 still.
Magic 2024-2025 Depth Chart:
C: Hartenstein or Claxton, Moritz, pick #47
PF: Paolo, Isaac, Ingles
SF: Franz, Tristan da Silva or some other forward at 18, Houstan
SG: Suggs, Trent Jr. or Hield, Kevon/Queen
PG: Dejounte, Black, McClung

3rd and last option:
Sign Hartenstein or Claxton.
Call Portland for Anfernee Simons and Malcolm Brogdon, trade them Wendell, Cole, Jett, our 18th pick, and the Denver 2025 pick.
Sign-and-trade Fultz for Matisse Thybulle.
Magic 2024-2025 Depth Chart:
C: Hartenstein or Claxton, Moritz, pick #47
PF: Paolo, Isaac, Houstan
SF: Franz, Thybulle, Ingles
SG: Suggs, Black, Kevon/Queen
PG: Simons, Brogdon, McClung


Option 2 or 3. Not huge on giving up Black + 2-3 firsts + Carter. That’s a lot of assets/ draft capital.

But I absolutely think IH or Claxton need to be acquired for next season.

Option 1 relies entirely on whether Brooklyn is blowing it up. If Claxton resigns there I doubt they move MB.


I also prefer 2 or 3, but want to say that Claxton is going to get significantly more than 4yr for $60m. He will and should get significantly more than Hartenstein will. I'd be happy to get Claxton at your suggested price point. I think Hield might be at the point of his career where he's not getting paid that much. Overall, pretty solid, although I don't think that package gets you a conversation about Mikal and he's not the best target for us anyway.
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Re: You are the GM of the Magic. What would you do this offseason? 

Post#109 » by thelead » Fri Jun 21, 2024 9:09 pm

thelead wrote:1. Throw a max contract at Paul George
if he isn't interested:
2. Make an offer for Murray without giving up Paolo, Franz, Suggs, JI, or AB
we likely won't gain traction on the first two options, so ultimately:
3. Sign Hartenstein and Tyus. I would be good with Monk over Tyus but I just can't get behind Claxton on a big contract.
4. Not really sure about the draft as I watched nearly zero college ball this past season.

Unlikely left field stuff depending on the cost: Inquiring on Bogdan Bogdanović from Atlanta, Kessler and Sexton from Utah, Mark Williams from Charlotte, Caruso from Chicago, Powell from the Clippers, Simons from Portland, Nembhard from Indiana, Kennard from Memphis

PG is still on the board, Hartenstein is still on the board, Tyus is still on the board, Murray is presumably still on the board, and now Kessler may be available too.

Caruso was the only player I listed that is no longer available. I did forget to mention Fontecchio in my initial post. I would at least see what's going on with him.
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Re: You are the GM of the Magic. What would you do this offseason? 

Post#110 » by Skin » Wed Jun 26, 2024 8:40 pm

Few scenarios:

Trade: Wendell Carter Jr / Cole Anthony / DEN 1st for Zach Lavine
Draft: Terrence Shannon Jr
Sign: Nic Claxton

PG Zach Lavine / Anthony Black
SG Jalen Suggs / Terrence Shannon Jr
SF Franz Wagner / Jett Howard
PF Paolo Banchero / Jonathan Isaac
C Nic Claxton / Mo Wagner

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Trade: Jonathan Isaac / Cole Anthony / DEN 1st / 2 2nds
Draft: Tyler Smith
Sign: Nic Claxton

PG Jalen Suggs / Anthony Black
SG Brandon Ingram / Jett Howard
SF Franz Wagner / Caleb Houstan
PF Paolo Banchero / Tyler Smith
C Nic Claxton / Wendell Carter Jr / Mo Wagner

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Sign: Tyus Jones / Nic Claxton
Draft: Terrence Shannon Jr

PG Tyus Jones / Anthony Black / Cole Anthony
SG Jalen Suggs / Terrence Shannon Jr
SF Franz Wagner / Jett Howard
PF Paolo Banchero / Jonathan Isaac
C Nic Claxton / Wendell Carter Jr / Mo Wagner

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