2024 NBA Draft Second Round open thread, June 27th

[jonbob17]

Dunno why this assumption that we actually plan on holding these future seconds - they could be used to sweeten a trade. Two seconds with swap rights are better than two seconds without.

And 15 cents is better than 13. This is one of the weakest trades I can remember. If we are throwing 2nds into a deal, nobody is going to be like…ooh a 2nd round swap. In 2031. 7 years from now..

It’s almost like see you fans are complaining about cash considerations? There is a worse return

[Skybox]

This year's pick being moved being annoying as a symbolic "f you" to 2nds we've punted in the past and being mad about that? Totally get it.

Actually thinking this 2nd rounder is doing anything on this team that an undrafted guy can do, or someone already on our G-League team, or an actual free agent who is an NBA vet? Nah, I am not taking the complaint seriously.

that's fair, but there were a handful of good-looking prospects at the top of the 2nd...if they're so worthless, why not bundle 4 to move up to #31 and take a crack at one of them, with a non-guaranteed deal? We see srps bundled into deals and I've been brainwashed into the idea that they're like wooden nickels and have no real value.

[Knightro]

Dunno why this assumption that we actually plan on holding these future seconds - they could be used to sweeten a trade. Two seconds with swap rights are better than two seconds without.

Of course they *could* be used for that, but we're also 8 years into this thing and Weltman's never really made a single buying trade to date.

You can probably understand why people are gun shy about assuming Weltman plans to do anything proactively, right?

[eyriq]

Dunno why this assumption that we actually plan on holding these future seconds - they could be used to sweeten a trade. Two seconds with swap rights are better than two seconds without.

Of course they *could* be used for that, but we're also 8 years into this thing and Weltman's never really made a single buying trade to date.

You can probably understand why people are gun shy about assuming Weltman plans to do anything proactively, right?

Let's see some adversity before we call out his lack of assertiveness. He moved quick enough to blow up the Vucevic core.

[Knightro]

Dunno why this assumption that we actually plan on holding these future seconds - they could be used to sweeten a trade. Two seconds with swap rights are better than two seconds without.

Of course they *could* be used for that, but we're also 8 years into this thing and Weltman's never really made a single buying trade to date.

You can probably understand why people are gun shy about assuming Weltman plans to do anything proactively, right?

Let's see some adversity before we call out his lack of assertiveness. He moved quick enough to blow up the Vucevic core.

We must have different definitions of quick

[VFX]

It’s just crazy to see guys like Sam Hauser and Derrick Jone Jr play real minutes in the playoffs and people still are fine not selecting someone with a second round pick like 8 seasons in a row.

[SOUL]

It’s just crazy to see guys like Sam Hauser and Derrick Jone Jr play real minutes in the playoffs and people still are fine not selecting someone with a second round pick like 8 seasons in a row.

Counterpoint: Those two people you listed were undrafted, and we can still sign undrafted guys on two-way deals.

Technically every slot can produce an NBA player. It's just some seasons actually having roster slots actually matters. If we intend to fill it with FAs/bringing back Goga or someone and then our two-way slots are like Queen or some undrafted guy, we're truly scraping the bottom of the barrel of complaints.

It's another thing if we're in a Suns-like situation where you are capped financially and have barely any NBA talent outside of your main guys, that's when draft picks and cheap replacements are super important.

Depth wasn't our issue last year, it was finding the right combination of depth.

[Knightro]

It’s just crazy to see guys like Sam Hauser and Derrick Jone Jr play real minutes in the playoffs and people still are fine not selecting someone with a second round pick like 8 seasons in a row.

Counterpoint: Those two people you listed were undrafted, and we can still sign undrafted guys on two-way deals.

Technically every slot can produce an NBA player. It's just some seasons actually having roster slots actually matters. If we intend to fill it with FAs/bringing back Goga or someone and then our two-way slots are like Queen or some undrafted guy, we're truly scraping the bottom of the barrel of complaints.

It's another thing if we're in a Suns-like situation where you are capped financially and have barely any NBA talent outside of your main guys, that's when draft picks and cheap replacements are super important.

Depth wasn't our issue last year, it was finding the right combination of depth.

To be honest, I think my issue is more with the general strategy around the two-way slots more than it is the second round (although the two are intertwined).

[RookieStar]

I really think there is something with our FO taking a nap early.

Other teams are signing those undrafted guys for 2ways,exhibit10s, summer league spots...

Yet its crickets for us

[DiplomaticMagic]

This draft thing on 2nd day is so **** weird.

1. I dont know why it was in afternoon

2. I thought the whole point of this was for to avoid Nikola Jokic being drafted during a Taco Bell commercial?? They still barely showed any of the picks and still announced some of the picks during commercials.

ESPN is just all-round bad. I hope NBC makes a much better product.

[jibba jones]

At least something for the summer league games?

[zaymon]

Good job by Weltman not being lazy selecting player he will propably get as a two way while increasing the value of our assets in critical years. Its not championship in 2030 or bust for no reason ;p

We are one step ahead of other teams, especially in new CBA. I prefer this strategy than using picks and than cuting them like Presti. We are not acting like addicts but have logical strategy and discipline to pull it off.
We scout all year to identify players we cant pass on. If there is no such player we trade the pick if there is such a player we draft him. Easy to understand strategy. We also never traded a pick just for cash, it was always future pick + cash.
Curious to see who we will sign to two way or gleague. Good to have executive who doesnt just ride with the wave to make bad decisions. He puts himself in position to critique but also does whats best for the team. Cant ask for more.

[Message Boar]

I've calmed down a bit after sleeping on it. Truthfully I went into the second round expecting us to trade out of the pick and being okay with it this time (that's also what I voted in the poll). I would just wish it would've been for a 2025 srp, or a 2026 srp, maybe reverse protected to be top 50 or something. What we got now is firstly very possibly nothing at all, since it's more or less a 50/50 proposition which one of the Pels and Magic will be better in 7 years. Secondly I can't see the pick swaps having any value in trades any time soon because of said uncertainly, and how far away they are. I suspect just offering our own second rounders in those years hold basically the exact same value in trade negotiations, but that would require us to be active in a talent acquiring trade first. Lastly, this all reeks of us being the desperate party just to dump our pick for anything at all, rather than another team coming up because they want a player, which is such a weird way to conduct yourself as a front office.

[tiderulz]

Dunno why this assumption that we actually plan on holding these future seconds - they could be used to sweeten a trade. Two seconds with swap rights are better than two seconds without.

these are swaps, not true picks. there isnt a lot of value because they may not transfer at all. getting 2 picks would have been better value

[Skybox]

Dunno why this assumption that we actually plan on holding these future seconds - they could be used to sweeten a trade. Two seconds with swap rights are better than two seconds without.

these are swaps, not true picks. there isnt a lot of value because they may not transfer at all. getting 2 picks would have been better value

Does Weltman actually have the nerve to signal for a high-five from Carter after nailing this deal? Definition of meh

[Audi]

Dunno why this assumption that we actually plan on holding these future seconds - they could be used to sweeten a trade. Two seconds with swap rights are better than two seconds without.

these are swaps, not true picks. there isnt a lot of value because they may not transfer at all. getting 2 picks would have been better value

I get that - but there's still more value to another team. From the perspective of another team taking them on in a trade, it's the best of two future seconds from a pool of two teams.

We'll see what happens. I'm just saying, considering we already know Weltman hates 2nds and this move was made instead of the typical cash considerations, it seems like they were just trying to squeeze value out of a 2nd for trade purposes.

[tiderulz]

Dunno why this assumption that we actually plan on holding these future seconds - they could be used to sweeten a trade. Two seconds with swap rights are better than two seconds without.

these are swaps, not true picks. there isnt a lot of value because they may not transfer at all. getting 2 picks would have been better value

I get that - but there's still more value to another team. From the perspective of another team taking them on in a trade, it's the best of two future seconds from a pool of two teams.

We'll see what happens. I'm just saying, considering we already know Weltman hates 2nds and this move was made instead of the typical cash considerations, it seems like they were just trying to squeeze value out of a 2nd for trade purposes.

it would be interesting to see the wording. I have to assume its a swap from ORlando, not whoever it would be traded to.

im not going to lose sleep over our use of 2nd's, its a known fact this front office doesnt do any due diligence to work and find hidden gems that other teams look for. I posted a list of 2nd round picks in just the few 3-4 years that would have made our roster and made the team better. instead, we overpay aging players to come here and get hurt for half the year

[Cammo101]

This draft thing on 2nd day is so **** weird.

1. I dont know why it was in afternoon

2. I thought the whole point of this was for to avoid Nikola Jokic being drafted during a Taco Bell commercial?? They still barely showed any of the picks and still announced some of the picks during commercials.

ESPN is just all-round bad. I hope NBC makes a much better product.

Yeah, the fact that they didn't show every pick was a bad decision. I also feel really bad for guys like Furphy and Filipowski, who at least used to still get their moment in the sun on stage even when falling out of the first round. Now they sit around all night and go home empty. That has to suck.