poll: LWOS - Never Be the Same Between Wagner and Banchero

[Blue_and_Whte]

Cool so you're saying we would done the same with Paolo? Has that happened before?

Think a little harder son.

We had a 9 game win streak last season with Paolo playing and we faced tougher teams...

Alright so why are we even having this discussion then if you both just talked yourselves into this development being a non-issue? Do you believe that Franz is no different a player now than he was before this streak?

Does Paolo force the issue at times? Yes.

Does Paolo display negative energy at times? Yes.

Does Franz catch and hold the ball less than Paolo and promote better ball movement when he is the primary handler? I believe so.

Is the difference between Goga and Wendell closer than many of us already believe? Possibly.

These are questions I am interested in pursuing.

Right by telling people you aren’t face to face with to try harder. You’re pursing an agenda by making **** up like negative energy and less ball movement from PB. We all get it.

[Bensational]

I think the big difference when Paolo gets back will be Franz having more confidence and experience going after “inefficient shots”, which is something he has said he has had to learn to do with Paolo out.

I think the main driver of people’s concerns is that there’s no obvious go-to plays we can exploit which uses the two of them, unlike a guard paired with a big who might develop a strong PnR game, for example.

Having 2 3-level scorers who are triple threats and are 6’10 is an incredible advantage to have. Staggering them with the 2nd unit allows both to get their time as the lone featured option. Playing them together with both working from opposite elbows will stretch a defense and help get one of them open.

Goga will need to remain the starting C if we want Franz to continue running PnR successfully, apart from when Franz is with Moe in the 2nd unit.

[Bakomagic]

Our offense is struggling during this run, kudos to Franz and our defense for finding ways to win in spite of the struggling offense.

It is clear that we need them both and there is plenty of room for both to get get volume usage and be effective.

Honestly we could use a 3rd consistent scorer to add to the mix.

Paolo and Franz are well rounded, unselfish and humble enough to make it work imo.

[msmoore66]

Where did this Negative Energy balderdash come from? Get a grip.

[The-Stallion70]

No it isn’t. That streak was against sub .500 teams. The only .500 teams we beat in that stretch were the Lakers on a well contested 30 ft heave by Franz and a Suns team without KD and Beal.

Cool so you're saying we would done the same with Paolo? Has that happened before?

Think a little harder son.

This boy. If you’re too dense I understand then ask for clarity instead of getting your feelings hurt. We had a streak against sub .500 teams? The minute we run into a very good team without our All Star we get smoked. WTF? you need a lesson how that works?

The assumption you are making is that we would have done the exact same with no change in the lineup?

Is there really nothing significant to take from our recent winning streak? I bring this up because I do believe that the offense flowed better with less catch-and-hold from Paolo and players flourished in their temporary promotion.

Are you trying to suggest that we really learned nothing over the last two weeks?

[SOUL]

I do not think the offense as a whole has looked better, but it shows that Franz should and will take ball handling responsibility (at least an equal split) with Paolo so that we aren't as predictable.

[dsg2021]

Schedule was a little bit too easy and lucky with injuries on the other side. But it was the best thing to happen, because Franz is more confident now, and it proves he can handle the ball maybe even more than Paolo in a way that gives Paolo more FGA's. Maybe Franz can be the 6-7 dime forward and Paolo the 5-6 dime forward. Mainly, Paolo's offense is just a piece that can't be solved for other teams' defenses, period.

[drsd]

I think the main driver of people’s concerns is that there’s no obvious go-to plays we can exploit which uses the two of them, unlike a guard paired with a big who might develop a strong PnR game, for example.

And-1

For me the most "go-to play" is F-Wagner to <-Wagner on a PnR. That needs to be translated to F-Wagner to Banchero, or this team will not grow.

And the team needs to ADD Banchero to F-Wagner on a new PnR play.

[jezzerinho]

I do not think the offense as a whole has looked better, but it shows that Franz should and will take ball handling responsibility (at least an equal split) with Paolo so that we aren't as predictable.

I don't know what the stats say but it feels like the offense with Franz at point has generated a higher volume of good looks and distributed those looks among more teammates than with Paolo initiating.

Those looks haven't translated into good offensive numbers because our shooting has been frankly abysmal and we haven't benefitted from Paolos ability to get to the line.

But it does feel like there are positive lessons to take out of this stretch.

[The-Stallion70]

I do not think the offense as a whole has looked better, but it shows that Franz should and will take ball handling responsibility (at least an equal split) with Paolo so that we aren't as predictable.

I don't know what the stats say but it feels like the offense with Franz at point has generated a higher volume of good looks and distributed those looks among more teammates than with Paolo initiating.

Those looks haven't translated into good offensive numbers because our shooting has been frankly abysmal and we haven't benefitted from Paolos ability to get to the line.

But it does feel like there are positive lessons to take out of this stretch.

This is more or less exactly what I've been implying and I agree with your observation of us missing Paolo's foul drawing ability.

[VFX]

I think people are confusing two different things here.

1. The offense will be better because there is a HUGE scoring piece missing from the overall system. The offense will be better because there aren’t a ton of options right now.

2. Franz orchestrating the offense appears for efficient with him initiating rather than Paolo most of the time.

Both things can be true. The offense needs to be more dynamic with this in mind. Franz shouldn’t be just an outlet in this regard. Paolo needs to get more efficient shots off the pass and not entirely in isolation downhill.

[KillMonger]

what was their numbers together before paolo went down? without the sick games? and anyody know the team offensive rating with P5 and franz?

[SloNick Russia]

Same awsome Franz in Miami and vs Nets and in Memphis, issue with him and Paolo is way overblown

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[SOUL]

what was their numbers together before paolo went down? without the sick games? and anyody know the team offensive rating with P5 and franz?

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Dunno the rating but Franz scored 20+ in every game besides the sick ones, and the Magic scored 111 or more in 4 of those games. The fifth one Paolo got hurt and Franz was sick.

[Bensational]

what was their numbers together before paolo went down? without the sick games? and anyody know the team offensive rating with P5 and franz?

It was only the first 3 games before Franz got sick for the Indiana game. Games were against Miami (W), Brooklyn (W) and Memphis (L).

Ortg of 114.3, ranked 9th

Drtg of 107, ranked 8th

Netrtg of 7.4, ranked 6th

We started stronger offensively but weaker defensively over those games. Too small of a sample size to draw conclusions yet because our defense would've improved. The ortg should be sustainable though.

[Bakomagic]

what was their numbers together before paolo went down? without the sick games? and anyody know the team offensive rating with P5 and franz?

It was only the first 3 games before Franz got sick for the Indiana game. Games were against Miami (W), Brooklyn (W) and Memphis (L).

Ortg of 114.3, ranked 9th

Drtg of 107, ranked 8th

Netrtg of 7.4, ranked 6th

We started stronger offensively but weaker defensively over those games. Too small of a sample size to draw conclusions yet because our defense would've improved. The ortg should be sustainable though.

Thanks for this, it’s weird to me that people keep saying “it feels” and “it seems” better without Paolo, just look up the stats.

The eye test doesn’t look better to me. I think maybe people want Franz to shoot better, be more aggressive etc. so they are convincing themselves of this.

We go several minutes with some of the ugliest stretches of offense every game (especially, with Franz on the bench, but not solely when he is on the bench).

With that said he needs to stay aggressive when Paolo returns but not at the expense of Paolo, it should be at the expense of all of the other players.

[drsd]

Never Be the Same Between Wagner and Banchero

One can wonder if this is now, "Never together Wagner and Banchero".

[JT3000]

Never Be the Same Between Wagner and Banchero

One can wonder if this is now, "Never together Wagner and Banchero".

[dsg2021]

Paolo and Franz bringing the title to Orlando.

[RookieStar]

Paolo and Franz bringing the title to Orlando.

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