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Re: 2024-2025 Regular Season Game 35: Orlando Magic (20-14) at Detroit Pistons (14-18) - 7pm 

Post#321 » by SOUL » Thu Jan 2, 2025 5:29 am

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eyriq wrote:So sad. Stewart will hurt Cole if he stays playing?


Pistons fan here.

Stewart is an idiot at times but there's no way you can look at that play and think that Anthony did anything on purpose.

Everyone from the Pistons and Magic alike were huddled around together with concern for the guy while he was being attended to. There's no bad blood there.


Only the Moe Wagner thing caused some bad blood :D

But yeah, I think fans in the moment and other fans who run hot will blame Cole. But I know every fanbase would react that way if their promising young guy got hurt from a play like that. But I've seen these guys hustle for plays all the time and yeah, it just seemed like a split second reaction they both made and the unfortunate perfect storm scenario. If it was a second later I'd call it dangerous and stupid, it borders on reckless from the play right now just because diving can even hurt the player doing it, but it really did seem like a bang-bang effort play that ended in the worst way.

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Re: 2024-2025 Regular Season Game 35: Orlando Magic (20-14) at Detroit Pistons (14-18) - 7pm 

Post#322 » by RichCollab » Thu Jan 2, 2025 5:38 am

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RichCollab wrote:TDS had a bad game. He isn’t great at anything but has Good BBIQ, Good Shooting, and all around game.

We don’t need a starting forward. He looks like he can/will be a solid combo big off the bench. We can’t pay everyone 20 million a year.

52.9 TS% is nowhere near ‘good shooting’ in 2025


How does it rate as a rookie?
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Re: 2024-2025 Regular Season Game 35: Orlando Magic (20-14) at Detroit Pistons (14-18) - 7pm 

Post#323 » by Redwood » Thu Jan 2, 2025 6:04 am

8 of 35 from three.

This is a stupid team, simple as that. This keeps happening, over and over and over and over again. Our players are stupid, and our coaching staff is stupid. I've never, in my entire life observing any professional team or sport, seen a team play to their weakness more than this Magic team does. It's beyond words how ridiculous this has become.

This is a pitcher with a terrible change up, throwing mostly change ups. An MMA fighter with horrible ground skills taking all of their opponents to the ground.

The only reason people aren't making a bigger deal out of this than they should, is because this is the awful modern day NBA. People are used to seeing endless 3pt shooting, so even when a team is dreadful at it, as we are, it still looks completely fine when we continue to do it to our own detriment. This is how basketball is supposed to look, many people clearly think. The problem is that it's not, and it's killing this team. We don't have the personnel to play the way that we do, it's really that simple. Our coaching staff has no idea this is true.
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Post#324 » by Husky1 » Thu Jan 2, 2025 6:21 am

KillMonger wrote:why can't we get more time out of JI? why? it's so frustrating when we can surely use him for defensive purposes at the end of the game but he's just not available and no one knows why.....no reporter asks....dude is one of the highest paid players on the team but we can't get more than 15 minutes out of him.....houstan played 27 minutes......i mean it's been weeks since JI has been back from injury.....why isn't his minutes increasing?

We need to cut ties from him. Both need a fresh start. He is now unplayable and our highest paid player. It has been a disaster since the day we drafted him
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Re: 2024-2025 Regular Season Game 35: Orlando Magic (20-14) at Detroit Pistons (14-18) - 7pm 

Post#325 » by SOUL » Thu Jan 2, 2025 6:35 am

Redwood wrote:8 of 35 from three.

This is a stupid team, simple as that. This keeps happening, over and over and over and over again. Our players are stupid, and our coaching staff is stupid. I've never, in my entire life observing any professional team or sport, seen a team play to their weakness more than this Magic team does. It's beyond words how ridiculous this has become.

This is a pitcher with a terrible change up, throwing mostly change ups. An MMA fighter with horrible ground skills taking all of their opponents to the ground.

The only reason people aren't making a bigger deal out of this than they should, is because this is the awful modern day NBA. People are used to seeing endless 3pt shooting, so even when a team is dreadful at it, as we are, it still looks completely fine when we continue to do it to our own detriment. This is how basketball is supposed to look, many people clearly think. The problem is that it's not, and it's killing this team. We don't have the personnel to play the way that we do, it's really that simple. Our coaching staff has no idea this is true.


This coaching staff you keep crapping on has us 4th in the East with 80 points regularly missing for a month. Yeah, I'm sure they're the stupid ones!

Also, btw, 22 teams average MORE than 35 threes a game. You can't survive on being the one team that doesn't shoot threes simply because your guys don't do it well. You quite literally will be an awful team if you want to try to play like a 90s team in terms of offense (as well as defense) and buck the trend by shooting 15 threes a game.

Redwood wrote:This is a pitcher with a terrible change up, throwing mostly change ups. An MMA fighter with horrible ground skills taking all of their opponents to the ground.


This analogy literally only works if your pitcher has an elite pitch otherwise, or an MMA fighter with elite knockout power deciding to do the opposite. If we had Moe, Franz, and Paolo (literally 70 points missing) and they were just launching threes, sure, it can be applied a bit more, but literally look who's out there that you want to play inside (without a true point guard) and not shoot threes:

Suggs (perimeter player, shaky handle, can get inside)
Black (balanced shot, shaky handle, can get inside)
Cole (perimeter player, decent handle, finishes inside but 6'0)
Houstan (perimeter player)
KCP (perimeter player)
Harris (perimeter player)
TDS (perimeter player and weak finisher currently)
Goga (inside big, play finisher)
Isaac (perimeter big)
WCJ (perimeter big)

You basically have Cole, Suggs sometimes, Black sometimes, TDS sometimes, Goga as a finisher... I mean.. that is the worst options in the league to have play inside as far as a top-down healthy roster right now.

(BTW, do you ever post when they're winning? Which they have mostly done this season? I only see you pop in after they lose to be miserable. Your prerogative, but just something I notice...)
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Post#326 » by cedric76 » Thu Jan 2, 2025 7:08 am

Not sure why people are crying about the 3pt, the reason we lost is simple, we got out rebounded 49 to 33.

We played small and it backfired
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Post#327 » by pepe1991 » Thu Jan 2, 2025 8:26 am

Duren isn't as good as we made him look. This is his best game this year.

Pistons overcome 23 turnovers with massive rebounding disparity.
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Post#328 » by Ducklett » Thu Jan 2, 2025 8:50 am

Redwood wrote:8 of 35 from three.

This is a stupid team, simple as that. This keeps happening, over and over and over and over again. Our players are stupid, and our coaching staff is stupid. I've never, in my entire life observing any professional team or sport, seen a team play to their weakness more than this Magic team does. It's beyond words how ridiculous this has become.

This is a pitcher with a terrible change up, throwing mostly change ups. An MMA fighter with horrible ground skills taking all of their opponents to the ground.

The only reason people aren't making a bigger deal out of this than they should, is because this is the awful modern day NBA. People are used to seeing endless 3pt shooting, so even when a team is dreadful at it, as we are, it still looks completely fine when we continue to do it to our own detriment. This is how basketball is supposed to look, many people clearly think. The problem is that it's not, and it's killing this team. We don't have the personnel to play the way that we do, it's really that simple. Our coaching staff has no idea this is true.


You realize the Bulls have back to back games where there was 75 missed 3s, right. Literally last week...
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Post#329 » by drsd » Thu Jan 2, 2025 10:26 am

cedric76 wrote:Not sure why people are crying about the 3pt, the reason we lost is simple, we got out rebounded 49 to 33.

We played small and it backfired


Seven Magicians had an 0-fer night with their threeball shots. The 27 missed three pointers of course led to a HUGE number of Pistons' defensive rebounds.
Only three of the the Magicians that took long-ball shots had makes. Sad.

ANyhow: boxscore thoughts.

The only reason the Magic was in this game was DOMINANT TO-differential. The 23-12 statline (minus-11 :o ) is awesome.
Orlando did not back that up with good defense on the ball though, as, and you knew it was coming ...

... Orlando lost (got murdered) in FG% differential and lost the game.


Here's a rare stat: the Magic never led in this game; not once.
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Re: 2024-2025 Regular Season Game 35: Orlando Magic (20-14) at Detroit Pistons (14-18) - 7pm 

Post#330 » by Blue_and_Whte » Thu Jan 2, 2025 10:44 am

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Darth Magic wrote:Our free agent vet signing...

that wasn't his fault...

I just saw the replay. You're right
Looks like Cole slipped diving for a loose ball. **** happens some times.
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Post#331 » by KillMonger » Thu Jan 2, 2025 1:13 pm

with moe out we need to go get a reliable bench scorer....there isn't one player on our bench right now that i can reliably expect at least 10 ppg from.....Someone like sexton would be a godsend
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Post#332 » by eyriq » Thu Jan 2, 2025 2:32 pm

I am so disappointed we hurt Ivey. Cole has bad juju. I'm impressed with Tobias Harris, he'd probably get my vote for the vest. Duren continues to impress me. Cade looked really good imo. If Duren can establish himself on defense he'll be a core piece for Detroit. Maybe even without the defense. I think regardless of the Ivey injury that Detroit will make the play-in.

Detroit won by 9 and had an average lead of 9.41. They controlled the game.
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Post#333 » by Blue_and_Whte » Thu Jan 2, 2025 4:16 pm

eyriq wrote:I am so disappointed we hurt Ivey. Cole has bad juju. I'm impressed with Tobias Harris, he'd probably get my vote for the vest. Duren continues to impress me. Cade looked really good imo. If Duren can establish himself on defense he'll be a core piece for Detroit. Maybe even without the defense. I think regardless of the Ivey injury that Detroit will make the play-in.

Detroit won by 9 and had an average lead of 9.41. They controlled the game.

We didn’t hurt Ivey. He was injured.
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Post#334 » by richi_v25 » Thu Jan 2, 2025 5:37 pm

Sucks Ivey got hurt, when I watched it happen i thought he was overreacting but nope poor guy had a broken leg. I'm not much of a Cole fan but I really don't think he had any ill intentions when he dove for the ball other than having another chance to brick it.
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Post#335 » by Skybox » Thu Jan 2, 2025 6:03 pm

that was ugly but Fibula isn't that scary...my son blew up his Tibia and Fibula (like he had an extra knee going sideways :o ), along with a spiral fracture of his angle...Tibia is the big weight-bearing bone in the front (shin). We'd go for routine x-rays and the Tibia was joined and "melding" to itself, but the Fibula was swimming out in space - nowhere near reconnected. The ortho basically ignored it and said "it'll find itself" :-? It did - quite amazing how we can heal, especially young people.

I'm actually surprised that Fibula has him out for (at least) the season...perhaps there are addtl. things going on, but it looked really bad...I was glad to hear Fibula.
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Post#336 » by AdamTheGreek » Thu Jan 2, 2025 6:03 pm

Cole made a desperate but dangerous hustle play for the ball. He snapped Ivey’s leg in the process.
It’s a brutal injury, but it’s not like Cole was trying to hurt the guy.

Mentally we’ll see if Cole gets worse from this.

Duren killed us. We got torched by 3s but we didn’t do a good job of running them off the arc. We didn’t have the size (injuries) to defend Cade.
Credit to Bickerstaff for settling that franchise down and making them look respectable.
Focused teams will beat us when we’re this shorthanded.
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Post#337 » by JoshuaPotter » Thu Jan 2, 2025 6:26 pm

I hate to see anyone injured playing a game. I hope for a speedy recovery for Ivey.
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Post#338 » by RookieStar » Thu Jan 2, 2025 8:35 pm

Yeah as a team devastated by injuries, you never wanna see that happen to anyone else.

Hope Ivey is ok and it just looks worse than it is. If PG could get back ( and that was the worst I have seen on the screen ) then anyone can.
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Post#339 » by drsd » Thu Jan 2, 2025 10:41 pm

richi_v25 wrote:Sucks Ivey got hurt, when I watched it happen i thought he was overreacting but nope poor guy had a broken leg. I'm not much of a Cole fan but I really don't think he had any ill intentions when he dove for the ball other than having another chance to brick it.


Please to hear it is "only" a broken bone. Bones heals; ligaments less so.
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Post#340 » by Skybox » Fri Jan 3, 2025 12:57 am

Skybox wrote:that was ugly but Fibula isn't that scary...my son blew up his Tibia and Fibula (like he had an extra knee going sideways :o ), along with a spiral fracture of his angle...Tibia is the big weight-bearing bone in the front (shin). We'd go for routine x-rays and the Tibia was joined and "melding" to itself, but the Fibula was swimming out in space - nowhere near reconnected. The ortho basically ignored it and said "it'll find itself" :-? It did - quite amazing how we can heal, especially young people.

I'm actually surprised that Fibula has him out for (at least) the season...perhaps there are addtl. things going on, but it looked really bad...I was glad to hear Fibula.


Just read..."out at least 4 weeks"

Relax, Cole...it happens

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