2024-2025 Regular Season Game 47: Detroit Pistons (23-21) at Orlando Magic (23-23) - 7pm

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[Skybox]

Yup. If you think about value in two dimensions, offense and defense, falling in the upper left quadrant is just as valuable as failing in the lower right. Scrubs in the lower left, two way players in the upper right. A sophomore falling in the upper left or lower right is really damn good.

Clearly that 4 minutes was pivotal in locking him down for 35 pts and more assists than our PG gets in 3 games

Sorry...just got off my bike, a little amped

I mean beside the fact that this totally misses the point...

35 on 31 shots 7 free throws and 5 turnovers is not great. 51.3 TS% for the game. I know Cade is asked to do a lot, but you're not winning many games in 2025 with your best player taking that many possessions at a 51 TS%.

Agree...asking one or two guys to shoulder the whole offensive load is a terrible idea. Let's stop doing it too.

[pepe1991]

Clearly that 4 minutes was pivotal in locking him down for 35 pts and more assists than our PG gets in 3 games

Sorry...just got off my bike, a little amped

I mean beside the fact that this totally misses the point...

35 on 31 shots 7 free throws and 5 turnovers is not great. 51.3 TS% for the game. I know Cade is asked to do a lot, but you're not winning many games in 2025 with your best player taking that many possessions at a 51 TS%.

Agree...asking one or two guys to shoulder the whole offensive load is a terrible idea. Let's stop doing it too.

They lost Ivey and have Toby Harris on one leg.

Mid December their FO probably was ready to embrace tank ( 11-17) but they turned it around.

Right now Cade is asked to do way too much.

For franchise that made 2 playoffs in 16 yeras, and weren't relevant since 2008, this is their best team in long time.

Also they are now pivoting toward being buyers, not sellers on market.

I really have no clue what to make out of Pistons or where i would go if i'm running that team.
They will lose 2025 pick if they make plaoffs. They already won too much games to tank.

They have some nice young players, Ivey can be star, Cade already is star ( but overworked) , Duren is fine, Thompson needs to develop everything on offense.

Given all that, they will probably be mid season/ offseason buyers on market.

[Idiosyncratic]

I mean beside the fact that this totally misses the point...

35 on 31 shots 7 free throws and 5 turnovers is not great. 51.3 TS% for the game. I know Cade is asked to do a lot, but you're not winning many games in 2025 with your best player taking that many possessions at a 51 TS%.

Agree...asking one or two guys to shoulder the whole offensive load is a terrible idea. Let's stop doing it too.

They lost Ivey and have Toby Harris on one leg.

Mid December their FO probably was ready to embrace tank ( 11-17) but they turned it around.

Right now Cade is asked to do way too much.

For franchise that made 2 playoffs in 16 yeras, and weren't relevant since 2008, this is their best team in long time.

Also they are now pivoting toward being buyers, not sellers on market.

I really have no clue what to make out of Pistons or where i would go if i'm running that team.
They will lose 2025 pick if they make plaoffs. They already won too much games to tank.

They have some nice young players, Ivey can be star, Cade already is star ( but overworked) , Duren is fine, Thompson needs to develop everything on offense.

Given all that, they will probably be mid season/ offseason buyers on market.

My gut tells me they will make some buy moves and end up as a treadmill team for a couple of years. I don't know how they avoid that outcome honestly. The Ausar, Holland and Ivey picks just don't seem like they will be good enough to carry them past that outcome. I could be wrong though.

[pepe1991]

Agree...asking one or two guys to shoulder the whole offensive load is a terrible idea. Let's stop doing it too.

They lost Ivey and have Toby Harris on one leg.

Mid December their FO probably was ready to embrace tank ( 11-17) but they turned it around.

Right now Cade is asked to do way too much.

For franchise that made 2 playoffs in 16 yeras, and weren't relevant since 2008, this is their best team in long time.

Also they are now pivoting toward being buyers, not sellers on market.

I really have no clue what to make out of Pistons or where i would go if i'm running that team.
They will lose 2025 pick if they make plaoffs. They already won too much games to tank.

They have some nice young players, Ivey can be star, Cade already is star ( but overworked) , Duren is fine, Thompson needs to develop everything on offense.

Given all that, they will probably be mid season/ offseason buyers on market.

My gut tells me they will make some buy moves and end up as a treadmill team for a couple of years. I don't know how they avoid that outcome honestly. The Ausar, Holland and Ivey picks just don't seem like they will be good enough to carry them past that outcome. I could be wrong though.

Thinking about their team structure :
PG- Cade
SG- Ivey
SF- Thompson/ Harris/whoever
PF - ?
C: Durent

Wouldn't it make sense to add somebody to Lauri to boost pretty damn anemic offense with crappy spacing? He is under contract for 4 years so he can't escape, still is failry young (27) and, at least on paper, sounds like good fit next to Duren and Thompson as somebody who is offensive specialist. Also would give Cade nice pick&roll & pop option that isn't one dimensional like Duren/ Stewart/ Thompson.

Salary vise, it's a hell, but could at least balance roster out.

If everything works, they can be simialr team to Knicks.

Lower risk investment- John Collins. All the above, but shorter contract.

Neither of them has future in Utah. Einge will trade his family for picks

[Idiosyncratic]

They lost Ivey and have Toby Harris on one leg.

Mid December their FO probably was ready to embrace tank ( 11-17) but they turned it around.

Right now Cade is asked to do way too much.

For franchise that made 2 playoffs in 16 yeras, and weren't relevant since 2008, this is their best team in long time.

Also they are now pivoting toward being buyers, not sellers on market.

I really have no clue what to make out of Pistons or where i would go if i'm running that team.
They will lose 2025 pick if they make plaoffs. They already won too much games to tank.

They have some nice young players, Ivey can be star, Cade already is star ( but overworked) , Duren is fine, Thompson needs to develop everything on offense.

Given all that, they will probably be mid season/ offseason buyers on market.

My gut tells me they will make some buy moves and end up as a treadmill team for a couple of years. I don't know how they avoid that outcome honestly. The Ausar, Holland and Ivey picks just don't seem like they will be good enough to carry them past that outcome. I could be wrong though.

Thinking about their team structure :
PG- Cade
SG- Ivey
SF- Thompson/ Harris/whoever
PF - ?
C: Durent

Wouldn't it make sense to add somebody to Lauri to boost pretty damn anemic offense with crappy spacing? He is under contract for 4 years so he can't escape, still is failry young (27) and, at least on paper, sounds like good fit next to Duren and Thompson as somebody who is offensive specialist. Also would give Cade nice pick&roll & pop option that isn't one dimensional like Duren/ Stewart/ Thompson.

Salary vise, it's a hell, but could at least balance roster out.

If everything works, they can be simialr team to Knicks.

Lower risk investment- John Collins. All the above, but shorter contract.

Neither of them has future in Utah. Einge will trade his family for picks

Yeah I think Lauri would be like the most perfect fit there. I'm not sure if they would be willing to pay that price yet though. Would be a fun team. I think Ausar is going to be one of the best glue guys in the league, but he needs to be paired with a big that can shoot.

[KillMonger]

Is goga in the concussion protocol?

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[eyriq]

My gut tells me they will make some buy moves and end up as a treadmill team for a couple of years. I don't know how they avoid that outcome honestly. The Ausar, Holland and Ivey picks just don't seem like they will be good enough to carry them past that outcome. I could be wrong though.

Thinking about their team structure :
PG- Cade
SG- Ivey
SF- Thompson/ Harris/whoever
PF - ?
C: Durent

Wouldn't it make sense to add somebody to Lauri to boost pretty damn anemic offense with crappy spacing? He is under contract for 4 years so he can't escape, still is failry young (27) and, at least on paper, sounds like good fit next to Duren and Thompson as somebody who is offensive specialist. Also would give Cade nice pick&roll & pop option that isn't one dimensional like Duren/ Stewart/ Thompson.

Salary vise, it's a hell, but could at least balance roster out.

If everything works, they can be simialr team to Knicks.

Lower risk investment- John Collins. All the above, but shorter contract.

Neither of them has future in Utah. Einge will trade his family for picks

Yeah I think Lauri would be like the most perfect fit there. I'm not sure if they would be willing to pay that price yet though. Would be a fun team. I think Ausar is going to be one of the best glue guys in the league, but he needs to be paired with a big that can shoot.

I think they should try and get Zion. Go all in.

[drsd]

Box score thoughts:

Orlando won the FG% battle and won the game.

And it's that simple. Orlando's shooting was the reason the Magic won. No other reasons.

In conclusion: shooting matters.

p.s. 18 missed FTs; was the Magic trying to lose the game?

Our defense made Detroit shoot worst than us

Conclusion: Defense Matters

And-1

Two ways to win the FG% battle; and Orlando did both: shot well and defended well.

If the Magic had hit their FTs, this was a 20+ win. It really was a complete game on both sides of the ball.