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Re: Sports Illustrated “ Da Silva Continues to Flourish “ now in Rookie Of The Year race!! 

Post#21 » by tooler » Wed Jan 1, 2025 1:49 am

Being effective with the bench unit might mean that Paolo and Franz can play more minutes together.
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Post#23 » by MasterGMer » Wed Jan 1, 2025 5:52 am

I hope Da Silva keeps his development. He could be among our core in the future. But he has to prove it that he can contribute as one of D guy. He is a real asset for us. Good draft!
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Post#25 » by Kent » Wed Jan 1, 2025 9:59 pm

pepe1991 wrote:He is 23, he is doing what he should be doing.
As for ROY, this is lamest draft class since 2013 or even 2000. Hell, might be lamest draft class ever.

When you look at people in race for ROY and their stats it's depressing. I love Castle, he ain't good enough to win ROY today, Sarr is 7 footer alergic to contact, Edey like most + 7 foot players probably won't collect enough games.

Silver, stand up and do the right thing for once and crown nobody ROY, it will help you avoid another MCW embarrassment


To say TDS is merely "doing what he should be doing" seems reductive, respectfully.

If you're suggesting he’s performing well only because of his age, it’s important to remember he’s still a rookie navigating the transition from college to the NBA -- a challenge in itself.

And let’s not forget: plenty of players drafted at 19 or 20 in the lottery fail to reach TDS’s current level by his age. That speaks volumes about his development and skill.

Whether you view this draft class as underwhelming or not, acknowledging that we secured a great pick at 18 -- especially in what you describe as a historically weak class -- is absolutely worth celebrating.
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Re: Sports Illustrated “ Da Silva Continues to Flourish “ now in Rookie Of The Year race!! 

Post#26 » by BadMofoPimp » Wed Jan 1, 2025 10:33 pm

TDS gonna provem all wrong!!! Dude is legit!!!
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Re: Sports Illustrated “ Da Silva Continues to Flourish “ now in Rookie Of The Year race!! 

Post#27 » by pepe1991 » Thu Jan 2, 2025 6:35 am

Kent wrote:
pepe1991 wrote:He is 23, he is doing what he should be doing.
As for ROY, this is lamest draft class since 2013 or even 2000. Hell, might be lamest draft class ever.

When you look at people in race for ROY and their stats it's depressing. I love Castle, he ain't good enough to win ROY today, Sarr is 7 footer alergic to contact, Edey like most + 7 foot players probably won't collect enough games.

Silver, stand up and do the right thing for once and crown nobody ROY, it will help you avoid another MCW embarrassment


To say TDS is merely "doing what he should be doing" seems reductive, respectfully.

If you're suggesting he’s performing well only because of his age, it’s important to remember he’s still a rookie navigating the transition from college to the NBA -- a challenge in itself.

And let’s not forget: plenty of players drafted at 19 or 20 in the lottery fail to reach TDS’s current level by his age. That speaks volumes about his development and skill.

Whether you view this draft class as underwhelming or not, acknowledging that we secured a great pick at 18 -- especially in what you describe as a historically weak class -- is absolutely worth celebrating.


He is older than Anthony Edwards, Lamelo Ball, who are playing their 5th nba seasons.
He is year & year and half older than Giddey/ Segun i Kuminga who play their 4th nba sesons.

Him and Knecht are the oldest players drafted this year.
They are full 4 years older than Sarr and Risacher and draft itself was viewed as poor to being with.
Holland, who he played vs today, will be 23, Tristan's age - in going into 2029-30 season :lol:
Hell, he is only 2 years younger than Wendell Carter who people can't get rid off fast enough, claiming he is washed up :lol:

Guy will be 24 before season ends, he was plug & play prospect going into a draft. It's not like he will become much better than he is today going forward. He is what he is.
nd let’s not forget: plenty of players drafted at 19 or 20 in the lottery fail to reach TDS’s current level by his age


Sure, but plenty also will. It's not like guy is setting world on fire, he averages 8,5 ppg on 52% TS & -2,2 BPM.

. That speaks volumes about his development and skill.

If you stack him against other rookies, only remarkable difference is experience and making better decisions. if you stack him against actual nba players ( or people of his age) you get : below average rebounder for size, below average shooter, average passer, average defender and remarkably bad finisher around rim for a size. His "skill" is him not being terrible at anything, but also not really great at anything.


Age thing isn't big factor when people compare 19 to 20 years old or even 21 years old. But it is important factor when your prospect is several years older than pretty much anybody else. Tristan was good pick given circumstances, we avoided another Jett Howard- unplayable rookie.

But only reason why he is being talked by mainstream media is because draft class is historically poor. And you can tell that is a case because there is almost no coverage of rookie class. Aside from committee of nba.com , you have to dig into google to find rookie ladders.

This isn't me pooping on him, to me is fine. He is doing what he was drafted to do. Plug and play. Nothing less, nothing more.
But in any other year, his name would go unnoticed by MSM, but this year draft is so poor that even rotation player is considered ROY.

And you can't tell me with straight face that MCW winning ROY wasn't one of biggest nba lowlights of a decade, especially with passage of time when we know for fact that lottery class 2013 was historically bad one. Context of his win is even more embarrassing for NBA especially now, with sinking ratings and people complaining how league and players only care about own stats. They gave a damn award to a guy who played on 19-63 team.
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Re: Sports Illustrated “ Da Silva Continues to Flourish “ now in Rookie Of The Year race!! 

Post#28 » by JBSouthpaw » Tue Jan 14, 2025 8:00 pm

#9 on the Athletic rookie scale:
about 3 or 4 paragraphs with a video breakdown

"...Yes, there are moments when da Silva gets powered through because he’s still quite skinny. Strength and starting to make shots from distance will be the swing skills here for da Silva becoming a long-term starter and not just a fill-in when both Wagner and Banchero are on the court. But it’s clear he’s already jumped last year’s lottery pick Jett Howard in the wing rotation, and he’s already started 29 games. With Banchero finally back after a 34-game absence and Wagner eventually returning, da Silva will likely shift back to the bench at some point. But he’s proven he can be an impact player who complements the two Magic stars."
https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6053234/2025/01/14/nba-rookie-rankings-alex-sarr-yves-missi-jaylen-wells/?utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=twhq&source=twitterhq

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Post#29 » by KillMonger » Wed Jan 15, 2025 7:12 am

For sure needs to be at all star weekend in the rising stars game

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Post#30 » by JoshuaPotter » Wed Jan 15, 2025 2:01 pm

Gently whispers "Bol Bol" in a sentence that has TDS in it.

Bravo from him. Continues to just come out and be a mostly finished product. I think it's safe to say he belongs in the NBA. I feel I say that a lot about our guys.
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Post#31 » by MasterGMer » Wed Jan 29, 2025 12:40 am

What is the upside of Tristan Da Silva? As a rookie, the head coach already wanted to put ball in his hands for the game winning shot? He can already handle the point. He can drive to the hoop. He can shoot, maybe not as consistent. But hey, what is the upside of Da Silva? Very underrated pick and heck he made the rising star game. Congrats. Very happy for him!
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Post#32 » by RookieStar » Wed Jan 29, 2025 1:55 am

MasterGMer wrote:What is the upside of Tristan Da Silva? As a rookie, the head coach already wanted to put ball in his hands for the game winning shot? He can already handle the point. He can drive to the hoop. He can shoot, maybe not as consistent. But hey, what is the upside of Da Silva? Very underrated pick and heck he made the rising star game. Congrats. Very happy for him!


A less dynamic but better shooting Franz?

It depends if he can develop his body cuz dude gets pushed around even by wings
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Post#33 » by drsd » Wed Jan 29, 2025 8:05 am

pepe1991 wrote:
Kent wrote:
pepe1991 wrote:He is 23, he is doing what he should be doing.
As for ROY, this is lamest draft class since 2013 or even 2000. Hell, might be lamest draft class ever.

When you look at people in race for ROY and their stats it's depressing. I love Castle, he ain't good enough to win ROY today, Sarr is 7 footer alergic to contact, Edey like most + 7 foot players probably won't collect enough games.

Silver, stand up and do the right thing for once and crown nobody ROY, it will help you avoid another MCW embarrassment


To say TDS is merely "doing what he should be doing" seems reductive, respectfully.

If you're suggesting he’s performing well only because of his age, it’s important to remember he’s still a rookie navigating the transition from college to the NBA -- a challenge in itself.

And let’s not forget: plenty of players drafted at 19 or 20 in the lottery fail to reach TDS’s current level by his age. That speaks volumes about his development and skill.

Whether you view this draft class as underwhelming or not, acknowledging that we secured a great pick at 18 -- especially in what you describe as a historically weak class -- is absolutely worth celebrating.


He is older than Anthony Edwards, Lamelo Ball, who are playing their 5th nba seasons.
He is year & year and half older than Giddey/ Segun i Kuminga who play their 4th nba sesons.

Him and Knecht are the oldest players drafted this year.
They are full 4 years older than Sarr and Risacher and draft itself was viewed as poor to being with.
Holland, who he played vs today, will be 23, Tristan's age - in going into 2029-30 season :lol:
Hell, he is only 2 years younger than Wendell Carter who people can't get rid off fast enough, claiming he is washed up :lol:

Guy will be 24 before season ends, he was plug & play prospect going into a draft. It's not like he will become much better than he is today going forward. He is what he is.
nd let’s not forget: plenty of players drafted at 19 or 20 in the lottery fail to reach TDS’s current level by his age


Sure, but plenty also will. It's not like guy is setting world on fire, he averages 8,5 ppg on 52% TS & -2,2 BPM.

. That speaks volumes about his development and skill.

If you stack him against other rookies, only remarkable difference is experience and making better decisions. if you stack him against actual nba players ( or people of his age) you get : below average rebounder for size, below average shooter, average passer, average defender and remarkably bad finisher around rim for a size. His "skill" is him not being terrible at anything, but also not really great at anything.


Age thing isn't big factor when people compare 19 to 20 years old or even 21 years old. But it is important factor when your prospect is several years older than pretty much anybody else. Tristan was good pick given circumstances, we avoided another Jett Howard- unplayable rookie.

But only reason why he is being talked by mainstream media is because draft class is historically poor. And you can tell that is a case because there is almost no coverage of rookie class. Aside from committee of nba.com , you have to dig into google to find rookie ladders.

This isn't me pooping on him, to me is fine. He is doing what he was drafted to do. Plug and play. Nothing less, nothing more.
But in any other year, his name would go unnoticed by MSM, but this year draft is so poor that even rotation player is considered ROY.

And you can't tell me with straight face that MCW winning ROY wasn't one of biggest nba lowlights of a decade, especially with passage of time when we know for fact that lottery class 2013 was historically bad one. Context of his win is even more embarrassing for NBA especially now, with sinking ratings and people complaining how league and players only care about own stats. They gave a damn award to a guy who played on 19-63 team.


Pepe:

Respectfully, at #18 a team is drafting a bench player of the future. The argument above is that Orlando got a bench player for the now and for the future. And that, thusly, this was a great pick.

(( my view: da Silva has more upside than Anthony as a future bench player. That's were my emotions are. ))

After all, it's not like Yves Missi was ever on the Magic's radar. And he is the only player at 18 and below that looks to "be better" than da Silva for projected long-term growth.

Happy thoughts. :)


p.s. at 4, did the Spurs get the best upside player of the draft in Stephon Castle???? Their scouting is hands down elite!

second p.s. Mr #38 Jaylen Wells is having a better offensive year than Caldwell-Pope at SG. Ugggggg

EDIT: if I had a vote for rookie of the year, it would indeed be for Wells. Super efficient starting minutes on an elite team projected to go deep in the playoffs. Yeh: he's a great story.

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Post#34 » by pepe1991 » Wed Jan 29, 2025 8:34 am

I'm happy to find rotation peace in non-lottery part of a draft, but given his age, talking about upside, to me, is pointless. You got what you wanted, plug & play rookie. Guy is almost 24 years old.

Only reason why he is so talked about among mainstream media is due nba fans bizarre obsession with rookies, during year nobody is worth talking about due how poor lottery class has been.

Ware is legit ROY favorite after 4 good games , 50 games into a season. This "ROY race" is legit the worst in nba history. I've tried to find draft class with so bad rookie stats and i gave up after i passed 80s. There are few names in 50s, but it wasn't even professional basketball from today's POV.

No matter how crappy MCW and 76ers were, guy still averaged 17-6-6.

That's a far cry for current ROY favorites like:
Ware - 8,8 ppg
Wells - 12 ppg, 3 rpg, 1,7 apg
Castle - 12 ppg,3,6 apg, 2,5 rpg


For a record, i'm not big fan of Missi at all. Once again, to me he is type of guy people will forget that exists within 2 years and draft hype dust settling.
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Post#35 » by drsd » Wed Jan 29, 2025 2:55 pm

pepe1991 wrote:This "ROY race" is legit the worst in nba history.
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No matter how crappy MCW and 76ers were, guy still averaged 17-6-6.



When you had the first sentence, I immediately thought of Carter-Williams as a guy that was a clear rookie of the year, and had minus-twelve "upside", (should we have stated he had "downside???")

Anyhow, I looked up the vote, and he was only a little higher in the vote over Oladipo (a 14/4/4 rookie): 569 to 364.

But the point of my post is this: Antetokounmpo came 7th in the rookie vote; tied with Nick Calathes.

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Post#36 » by drsd » Wed Jan 29, 2025 2:57 pm

pepe1991 wrote:Wells - 12 ppg, 3 rpg, 1,7 apg


To be fair to Wells, he is super efficient in those numbers, and he is a starter on a team that could plausibly win a couple rounds in the playoffs.

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