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Re: What do you want to see in the final 21 regular season games? 

Post#41 » by Skybox » Wed Mar 5, 2025 7:23 pm

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What do you want to see in the final 21 regular season games?


Some wins???


I'm on the fence...21 losses might be a better strategy
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Re: What do you want to see in the final 21 regular season games? 

Post#42 » by eyriq » Wed Mar 5, 2025 7:42 pm

I want to see a starting lineup of AB/Franz/TDS/Paolo/Goga the rest of the way.
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Re: What do you want to see in the final 21 regular season games? 

Post#43 » by JoshuaPotter » Wed Mar 5, 2025 8:40 pm

eyriq wrote:I want to see a starting lineup of AB/Franz/TDS/Paolo/Goga the rest of the way.


Bold....give AB more % of the ball and the green light to create his own shot or a shot for the team. Turn Paolo and Franz into his spot up shooters.....

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Re: What do you want to see in the final 21 regular season games? 

Post#44 » by Skybox » Wed Mar 5, 2025 10:56 pm

eyriq wrote:I want to see a starting lineup of AB/Franz/TDS/Paolo/Goga the rest of the way.


I'm down...sink or swim. Not a lot to lose right now...look towards a possible future.
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Re: What do you want to see in the final 21 regular season games? 

Post#45 » by cedric76 » Thu Mar 6, 2025 6:40 am

No more cojo or Cole in starting lineup
Suggs, Tyus, Jase
Bane, AB, Jett
Franz, TDS,
P5, JI, Panda
Wcj, Goga, Moe
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Re: What do you want to see in the final 21 regular season games? 

Post#46 » by Skybox » Thu Mar 13, 2025 9:25 pm

So, we got physically abused by HOU. I understand that Adams is, basically, a small mountain and this won't happen every night. Paolo is our biggest guy but isn't a really dominant rebounder (which is fine, he dominates elsewhere). He looks like a PF, but plays like a bully of a SF. I like Goga well enough, but he's not really THE answer long-term, if your aspirations are high.

Why not try this lineup? If nothing else, just shake things up a bit, at least in limited samples, and see if it helps sharpen the vision for our summer needs/priorities. Create some unusual matchup nightmares and double down on our size at unusual positions.

WCJ, Isaac, Paolo, KCP, Franz

Franz IS the best PG on the team and it's not close - even though he's not a PG. WCJ is the most dominant rebounder on the team and the most physical presence defensively (when he tries). Isaac is the best rim-protector. Both Isaac and WCJ are very capable of switching defensively-neither can really be targeted defensively to any great extent. It doesn't matter who you call THE Center, but WCJ had his best performances for the Magic (I think) when he was playing with Bamba so, again, I don't care who gets called Center on the lineup sheet-they could, potentially complete each other as bigs. Paolo would absolutely pulverize every SF in the league with his playing style and physique...he would, even more than usual, draw a tremendous amount of help defenders. If the other guys listed would hit the occasional 3, we'd be in business (ALL of them have had decent 3pt shooting periods in their careers). The mismatches would be incredible and the overall length of the lineup would be out of Space Jam. I don't think Franz (or, obviously, KCP) would be targeted on defense - they can't hold down the elite guards...but no one really can. Franz, of course, isn't a traditional PG, but why couldn't he do the job...I love some warping of traditional roles and positions and we've built that, but we're lacking in other areas, because our two stars, especially Paolo are being asked to be PG's in their spare time and it's too much. Just brainstorming ways to find some combos that might make the most of what we have because I fear some of the ones that are lacking will have negative trade value and, maybe just maybe, could be much more effective in different configurations. We need to make five moves to fix everything from fiscal pressures, to rebounding, to playmaking, to shooting...but that's just not going to happen, so maybe we can make lemonade with some of the lemons we're stuck with.

IF there was some success...
-consider moving KCP - because Suggs is a better KCP...or, even consider moving Suggs, who may have very significant trade value
example...Suggs and Cole to BRK for Claxton and Cam Johnson. I'd rather move KCP, but hate to add picks due to sunk value
-consider trading for Claxton, who can do what Isaac does, but for more than 16mpg, and keep WCJ to add beef next to him
-focus on a killer bench...Moe & TdS are keepers, add some serious 6moy candidate like Simons, CJ, or even Cam Johnson - any of them would get plenty of minutes as first guy off the bench...would be awesome to find some starter-quality guy to embrace the vision of Manu Ginobili (DEFINITELY good enough, but embracing the importance of the "second wave" that dominates)
-I'm not 100% committed to "dumping" Cole...he's expiring next year, so I'd rather move off of some guaranteed long-term money. Cole, above all else, is honest -especially about himself...I wonder if he'd take a Gary Harris deal ($7.5m) which makes his limitations and inconsistencies a lot easier to swallow as this team ascends.
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Re: What do you want to see in the final 21 regular season games? 

Post#47 » by Idiosyncratic » Thu Mar 13, 2025 9:51 pm

Skybox wrote:So, we got physically abused by HOU. I understand that Adams is, basically, a small mountain and this won't happen every night. Paolo is our biggest guy but isn't a really dominant rebounder (which is fine, he dominates elsewhere). He looks like a PF, but plays like a bully of a SF. I like Goga well enough, but he's not really THE answer long-term, if your aspirations are high.

Why not try this lineup? If nothing else, just shake things up a bit, at least in limited samples, and see if it helps sharpen the vision for our summer needs/priorities. Create some unusual matchup nightmares and double down on our size at unusual positions.

WCJ, Isaac, Paolo, KCP, Franz

Franz IS the best PG on the team and it's not close - even though he's not a PG. WCJ is the most dominant rebounder on the team and the most physical presence defensively (when he tries). Isaac is the best rim-protector. Both Isaac and WCJ are very capable of switching defensively-neither can really be targeted defensively to any great extent. It doesn't matter who you call THE Center, but WCJ had his best performances for the Magic (I think) when he was playing with Bamba so, again, I don't care who gets called Center on the lineup sheet-they could, potentially complete each other as bigs. Paolo would absolutely pulverize every SF in the league with his playing style and physique...he would, even more than usual, draw a tremendous amount of help defenders. If the other guys listed would hit the occasional 3, we'd be in business (ALL of them have had decent 3pt shooting periods in their careers). The mismatches would be incredible and the overall length of the lineup would be out of Space Jam. I don't think Franz (or, obviously, KCP) would be targeted on defense - they can't hold down the elite guards...but no one really can. Franz, of course, isn't a traditional PG, but why couldn't he do the job...I love some warping of traditional roles and positions and we've built that, but we're lacking in other areas, because our two stars, especially Paolo are being asked to be PG's in their spare time and it's too much. Just brainstorming ways to find some combos that might make the most of what we have because I fear some of the ones that are lacking will have negative trade value and, maybe just maybe, could be much more effective in different configurations. We need to make five moves to fix everything from fiscal pressures, to rebounding, to playmaking, to shooting...but that's just not going to happen, so maybe we can make lemonade with some of the lemons we're stuck with.

IF there was some success...
-consider moving KCP - because Suggs is a better KCP...or, even consider moving Suggs, who may have very significant trade value
example...Suggs and Cole to BRK for Claxton and Cam Johnson. I'd rather move KCP, but hate to add picks due to sunk value
-consider trading for Claxton, who can do what Isaac does, but for more than 16mpg, and keep WCJ to add beef next to him
-focus on a killer bench...Moe & TdS are keepers, add some serious 6moy candidate like Simons, CJ, or even Cam Johnson - any of them would get plenty of minutes as first guy off the bench...would be awesome to find some starter-quality guy to embrace the vision of Manu Ginobili (DEFINITELY good enough, but embracing the importance of the "second wave" that dominates)
-I'm not 100% committed to "dumping" Cole...he's expiring next year, so I'd rather move off of some guaranteed long-term money. Cole, above all else, is honest -especially about himself...I wonder if he'd take a Gary Harris deal ($7.5m) which makes his limitations and inconsistencies a lot easier to swallow as this team ascends.


And they have already had Franz guarding star PGs. He guarded Lillard and Morant that I can remember so wouldn't be a weird ask of him to guard the opposing PG.

I am actually mindblown they have not really let Franz play PG since Paolo came back. They were at their best this year when he was at point. Like I think there's a really good chance it isn't a viable long term option, but given how bad they are now why don't they use him there anymore?

He averaged 6.5 assists per game (6.5 assists would be 13th in the entire NBA btw) in November and they went 11-5. Beat mostly bad teams and lost to good teams, but that is better than the lose to everyone of late.

I don't dislike your idea or logic, but Isaac is averaging like 15 minutes a game the last two months so I think it is clear he is not going to be an option. But the general premise of trying something different and letting Franz playmake again I agree with. Experiment with that lineup, try TDS and AB at the 3 more with the starters IDK, something.
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Re: What do you want to see in the final 21 regular season games? 

Post#48 » by Skybox » Thu Mar 13, 2025 10:02 pm

Idiosyncratic wrote:I don't dislike your idea or logic, but Isaac is averaging like 15 minutes a game the last two months so I think it is clear he is not going to be an option. But the general premise of trying something different and letting Franz playmake again I agree with. Experiment with that lineup, try TDS and AB at the 3 more with the starters IDK, something.


Sadly, my premise with Isaac is just to test the theory of WCJ at PF or alongside a less beefy C that can protect the rim. If it shows promise, Claxton would be the kind of guy that fills the role. Just pondering what Paolo would look like at SF...it's already the way he plays (perimeter, put it on the floor, etc)...maybe just free him from the standard PF responsibilities of rebounding expectations and interior defense (both of which he'd be among the best among SF's instead of somewhat sub-par as a "big".

Paolo would be a really really big "wing"...his skillset supports it.

Kind of the opposite of the usual "you're only 6'2, you must be a PG" conundrum that so many players face :lol:

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