Official 2024-2025 Magic Trade ideas thread continued

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For various reasons, there are some decent likely available Centers this summer....

Claxton - makes a lot, but so do WCJ & KCP & Cole and BRK should be open for business, looking for picks
Mark Williams - one year remaining at $6m
Clint Capela - UFA, old enough to take MLE?
Steven Adams - UFA, old enough to take MLE?
Gafford - DAL is in dire straits and Lively and AD are more than enough at C
Vuc
R.Williams
Brook Lopez - getting up there, but still very formidable - can't see him taking MLE
Myles Turner - looking for a bigger payday than he'll likely find, so probably stays in IND
*any could be trades, or SnT, or victims of playoff fails that lead to wholesale changes (MIL, IND, HOU...)

Sometimes, WCJ is a monster out there and he still (somehow) has the rep of being a floor-spreader and switchy defender. Often, he's invisible or just sitting on the bench in street clothes sharing Dad jokes with Gary and having a good old time. Goga is sometimes a revelation, sometimes a useless body. I'm happy to have him coming off the bench, but he hasn't historically been good that way. I think the experiment might be coming to an end. Moe is great and I want him back, but it's going to be a while and his TO makes him a potentially important variable if our FO has any meaningful moves in mind this summer.

I want a new starting C and I'd really like to move WCJ before that shameful extension hits. I think Goga is hitting his ceiling. Moe and Isaac or some cheap brute off the scrap heap are sufficient backups - we're paying way too much for spare parts on our roster.

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1)
ORL sends: KCP, Isaac, WCJ, DEN 25 frp, ORL 26 frp (Top 8)
NOLA sends: CJ McCollum, Herb Jones

*NOLA going through a bit of a restructure...pumping up their defense around Zion. Dejounte returns and meets his fierce, long vet running mate in KCP (who remembers how to shoot). Murphy's ascendance makes it ok to move Herb out for picks & big man depth.
ORL gets way better and more balanced offensively but also gets off the longer term salaries of guys that don't really fit.

2)
ORL sends: Goga, AB, 2 srps
CHA sends: Mark Williams, Tre Mann (SnT 7m x 2 + TO)
*CHA has soured on Williams who is butthurt after LAL trade attempt, swaps him for a cost-controlled viable Goga and a really solid young defensive-minded AB to play next to and complement Lamelo. Depending on where CHA pick lands, they might draft Maluach for their long term C.

3)
ORL drafts Jase Richardson at #13
ORL signs UFA AJ Griffin for a vet min and hope he is revitalized next to his Duke teammates, Paolo & Williams. Zero risk/huge upside.

Williams, Isaac, Moe
Paolo, Jones, Isaac
Franz, Jones, TdS
Suggs, Jett, Griffin
McCollum, Mann, Richardson

[basketballRob]

Wendell and both picks for Mark Williams.

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[BCS]

For various reasons, there are some decent likely available Centers this summer....

Claxton - makes a lot, but so do WCJ & KCP & Cole and BRK should be open for business, looking for picks
Mark Williams - one year remaining at $6m
Clint Capela - UFA, old enough to take MLE?
Steven Adams - UFA, old enough to take MLE?
Gafford - DAL is in dire straits and Lively and AD are more than enough at C
Vuc
R.Williams
Brook Lopez - getting up there, but still very formidable - can't see him taking MLE
Myles Turner - looking for a bigger payday than he'll likely find, so probably stays in IND
*any could be trades, or SnT, or victims of playoff fails that lead to wholesale changes (MIL, IND, HOU...)

Sometimes, WCJ is a monster out there and he still (somehow) has the rep of being a floor-spreader and switchy defender. Often, he's invisible or just sitting on the bench in street clothes sharing Dad jokes with Gary and having a good old time. Goga is sometimes a revelation, sometimes a useless body. I'm happy to have him coming off the bench, but he hasn't historically been good that way. I think the experiment might be coming to an end. Moe is great and I want him back, but it's going to be a while and his TO makes him a potentially important variable if our FO has any meaningful moves in mind this summer.

I want a new starting C and I'd really like to move WCJ before that shameful extension hits. I think Goga is hitting his ceiling. Moe and Isaac or some cheap brute off the scrap heap are sufficient backups - we're paying way too much for spare parts on our roster.

I am curious at the Pacers situation with Turner being an UFA and Mathurin due for his rookie extension. Seems like a decision has to be made. They already have 2 max with Hali and Siakam and other well paid long term contracts as well. Seems like they won't be able to pay all 4. Then again, we are in a similar situation and likely won't s&t to take on a 4th big contract...smh, nvm lol.

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[pepe1991]

Here's one crazy idea.
Give Nets Suns swap ,Carter and KCP. Need more picks? Sure, give them Nuggets pick.

Take nothing in return

Use money to offer deals to Ty Jerome and Naz Reid.

[thelead]

Here's one crazy idea.
Give Nets Suns swap ,Carter and KCP. Need more picks? Sure, give them Nuggets pick.

Take nothing in return

Use money to offer deals to Ty Jerome and Naz Reid.

I’m down for this idea. Two skilled dogs.

[basketballRob]

The Suns pick could be the #1 pick. They probably won't trade it.

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[thelead]

The Suns pick could be the #1 pick. They probably won't trade it.

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Not impossible but not likely. We would need Washington to land the 9th or worse pick (9-30) for us to swap outright with Phoenix. Do we really think Washington will improve that much next season?

[basketballRob]

The Suns pick could be the #1 pick. They probably won't trade it.

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Not impossible but not likely. We would need Washington to land the 9th or worse pick (9-30) for us to swap outright with Phoenix. Do we really think Washington will improve that much next season?

So Washington pick is top 9 protected, and we may not get the Suns pick?

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[Skybox]

Here's one crazy idea.
Give Nets Suns swap ,Carter and KCP. Need more picks? Sure, give them Nuggets pick.

Take nothing in return

Use money to offer deals to Ty Jerome and Naz Reid.

I really like the concept…idk if those are my ideal targets, but I do accept that there’s a price to pay to get off those awful deals.
Is Naz the right C next to P&F?

Would that pkg bring back Claxton and the remaining cap space?

Then go get a guard elsewhere…with expirings including Cole, etc

I get the potential value (or not) of that pick and I’m supportive of giving some rebuild team that golden ticket to dream on if it gets us such a significant jump on our retool/rebalance. This is a realistic view of how we can jump in/facilitate others/cooperate with other teams to get what we need…who’s got cap space? What are they aiming for? What’s their timeline for pouncing vs acquiring draft equity? Who’s on their team that is ahead of their timeline (Claxton, Cam J.)? Who’s on their team that’s behind their timeline (Topic)? Who’s role may have been compromised due to another deal or developing player (Gafford, Reaves, Simons)? Who do they need to relocate to go all in for a KD or Booker or PG (FVV, Jabari, Herro, McCain, Isaiah Joe)? This is what makes trade season great.

[pepe1991]

The Suns pick could be the #1 pick. They probably won't trade it.

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Not impossible but not likely. We would need Washington to land the 9th or worse pick (9-30) for us to swap outright with Phoenix. Do we really think Washington will improve that much next season?

So Washington pick is top 9 protected, and we may not get the Suns pick?

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Wizards have first ability to swap picks with Suns.

However, Wizards don't own 2025 pick. It's top 10 protected or it goes to Knicks ( won't happen) so rights go to 2026, where Wizards pick is top 8 protected , if it falls outside, it goes to Knicks.

Assumig it's not, and they have let's say 7th pick, they would be in position to swap their picks with Suns pick, if Suns pick is better. And after that Magic could swap their pick with worst between Wizards- Suns pick.


But i still don't see scenario where Suns are just complete a**.

Durant will go to contender, Durant is worth $54M and they will get that much money back in players and assets.
They also got two first round picks from 2025 on purpose, to make another trade down the line.
There is also Beal who can lift his no trade clause and that's another $50M to trade.

Suns don't really suck, they are definition of mediocrity , mostly because Beal -Durant and Booker are such a poor fits.
Without ability to rebuild, they will continue to invest in this roster and simply won't suck as much as some of you think.

In almost all Durant- trade-outs that i seen from serious media, i would argue Suns would end up being more overall team than they are today.

Like, Houston sends 2027 pick back ( that they own ) , Dillion Brooks, Jabari Smith,Reed Sheppard for Durant.
or Wolves trade for McDaniels, pick, Divincenzo and Dillingham


There is also whole list of other teams that could go after Durant like Knicks, Pacers, Pistons, Nuggets, Grizzlies, hell even OKC.
Basically every single playoff team that feels like they are 1 star shot creator away from title.

Hell, Spurs can do it as well.

[Bensational]

Coby White has been killing it over his last 10 games. Averaging 28ppg, only shooting 32% from 3 though. Basically matching the volume of Paolo and Franz. And the Bulls are winning over that stretch, with a 6-4 record.

Maybe I slept on how much of a difference he could’ve made to the Magic?

[thelead]

Coby White has been killing it over his last 10 games. Averaging 28ppg, only shooting 32% from 3 though. Basically matching the volume of Paolo and Franz. And the Bulls are winning over that stretch, with a 6-4 record.

Maybe I slept on how much of a difference he could’ve made to the Magic?

Coby, Colin, Anfernee... any of them would have made a big difference when you see our guard rotation. And most of us would have been happy with any of them. Weltman felt otherwise. Dude is so afraid to make a bad trade that he's just frozen.

[pepe1991]

Coby White has been killing it over his last 10 games. Averaging 28ppg, only shooting 32% from 3 though. Basically matching the volume of Paolo and Franz. And the Bulls are winning over that stretch, with a 6-4 record.

Maybe I slept on how much of a difference he could’ve made to the Magic?

It's more about opportunity, FGA, usage than anything else really. In NBA there are probably 50-60 players who could fill up stat sheets like crazy if you give them unlimited usage.

Grimes averages 28 ppg on 17 shots + 5 rpg & 4apg in past 10 games on 19,8 shots.

PJ Washington since return ( as there is nobody else )- 28 points a game on 17 shots ( 3 games)

Deni Avdija 23 ppg, 10 rpg, 5,5 apg- on just 13,8 shots.

Usage, pace, transition points, overall poor defensive effort by most teams all help. Like Shaq once said, all you need to average + 30 is to score twice per quarter (24 points + FTA ) .

Here's another nugget- 5 games since return from injury: 23 ppg, 9,8 rpg,7,8 apg, 50% FG, 35% for 3, 80% FT

That's a guy OKC traded out to get Caruso

Or i don't know, Clippers, post all star have not one, not two but three players who average +20 ppg

Fat stats in nba nowdays are like opinions, everybody has one.

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Here's one crazy idea.
Give Nets Suns swap ,Carter and KCP. Need more picks? Sure, give them Nuggets pick.

Take nothing in return

Use money to offer deals to Ty Jerome and Naz Reid.

Great thinking…here’s a twist:

I like Ivey a lot for ORL, he’d potentially have a much bigger role without Cade next to him…but ORL has the same concerns with three other max or near max young guys. KCP, at his best, would be a very complementary SG next to Cade…savage defender, savvy vet presence, long and physically reliable, 40% from 3, good ball-mover…but he’s older and his shooting % plummeted (and probably his trade value)…but EVERYONE on ORL did the same this season, so is it situational? Could DET buy-low on one of the NBA’s most proven role-players and bet on him returning to his peak (typical) form?

I’m not suggesting KCP =Ivey in trade value…I’m suggesting DET pay for “bad” KCP and, maybe end up with “good KCP”-who might actually be a much better fit than Ivey in DET. Grab some draft equity, a suitable young guy, and unload an unwanted salary at the same time.

Trade #1…
DET sends: Ivey, Tobias Harris
ORL sends: KCP, Anthony Black, ORL 25 frp (#15?)

#2…
ORL sends WCJ, Isaac, Jett, Suns “Golden Ticket” pick swap, DEN 25 frp
BRK absorbs some salary (only about $5m) and sends Claxton

Claxton, Goga, Moe (decline option and re-up at $8m x2+TO)
Paolo, Tobias
Franz, TdS, Caleb
Suggs, FA-Hardaway (or Schroder or DLo or Tyus or Tre Mann, etc @ $7.5m)
Ivey, Cole(expiring), CoJo

[pepe1991]

Issue with Harris departure from Pistons would be his impact on a team. Him and Cade are one of top 10 best duos in nba, net rating vise. It would be massive hit for their offense.

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Could we unload a bunch of junk to WAS for Poole - with that alluring PHX swap? Would they value unloading him? That high-upside move for a team at the near-bottom of a rebuild might appeal…and Poole is even more of a volatile piece than the guys incoming, he just fits better in ORL.

Another twist on Pepe’s BRK idea, but taking back Poole…

ORL sends: KCP, WCJ, Cole, Suns draft swap
WAS sends: Poole, AJ Johnson, Kispert

[Idiosyncratic]

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Could we unload a bunch of junk to WAS for Poole - with that alluring PHX swap? Would they value unloading him? That high-upside move for a team at the near-bottom of a rebuild might appeal…and Poole is even more of a volatile piece than the guys incoming, he just fits better in ORL.

Another twist on Pepe’s BRK idea, but taking back Poole…

ORL sends: KCP, WCJ, Cole, Suns draft swap
WAS sends: Poole, AJ Johnson, Kispert

Don't the Wizards already have the rights to swap with the Suns? Like the Wizards get the better pick out of them and the Suns (As long as Wiz pick lands top 9 and let's be real...) and we get the next best out of those two?

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Could we unload a bunch of junk to WAS for Poole - with that alluring PHX swap? Would they value unloading him? That high-upside move for a team at the near-bottom of a rebuild might appeal…and Poole is even more of a volatile piece than the guys incoming, he just fits better in ORL.

Another twist on Pepe’s BRK idea, but taking back Poole…

ORL sends: KCP, WCJ, Cole, Suns draft swap
WAS sends: Poole, AJ Johnson, Kispert

Don't the Wizards already have the rights to swap with the Suns? Like the Wizards get the better pick out of them and the Suns (As long as Wiz pick lands top 9 and let's be real...) and we get the next best out of those two?

They would get both then…and, maybe, add DEN pick…kind of depends on whether they see Poole as an important player or a very expensive placeholder that they’d prefer to divide up.