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2024-2025 Regular Season Game 76: Los Angeles Clippers (42-32) at Orlando Magic (36-39) - 7pm

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Re: 2024-2025 Regular Season Game 76: Los Angeles Clippers (42-32) at Orlando Magic (36-39) - 7pm 

Post#341 » by GelbeWand09 » Wed Apr 2, 2025 6:55 am

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Ducklett wrote:Make it 3 frps, KCP and Jett for Sexton and Walker Kessler...what a summer that would be?

Then sprinkle a dash of Jingles and a pinch of shooting. Maybe take AJ Griffin off of the scrap heap for a glorious renenwal. Ship out WCJ or Isaac for a more reliable contributor like Portis or some shooting depth...



It wouldn't take 2 months of watching Sexton and Kessler on a non-tanking team for this board to say the trade was awful, everyone knew it was bad before it happened, etc just like KCP's signing this summer. Even if they were fine at the end of the year after acclimating to a new team. Everything has to be now now now and never later around these parts. Lets be honest.


Even if you are right, the price is Caldwell-Pope and four players that will probably be marginal in the league. Come on dude: don't overvalue low FRPs and really don't overvalue Howard, a guy that won't be in the NBA in a couple years.

From an asset management perspective, the proposed trade improves the Magic.


See, the issue I guess is that I don't think the trade is bad, i'm not saying the trade is bad, and Sexton would certainly make the team better. But just like how no one liked the KCP signing (which is hilarious), no matter if the trade was good or not, many posters here would immediately think its wrong bad two months in. That was my point. Many posters want immediate results from everything. Suggs was going to be out of the league after his second contract just a mere 20 months ago, now Black is the dude that is already bust. KCP has played with our 3 best players like 80 minutes and we know he is useless and bad, even though he has 2 rings and was a 40% 3 point shooters for the last 5 years, he has a Magic logo on his chest now so he is worthless.

It blows my mind how we just glob onto a take and then just ride it into oblivion. We got people who think Suggs still sucks. Tristan is 4 years older than AB and gets a pass and is much, MUCH worse than AB. Like the internal consistency is loosey goosey as hell.


People knew it was a bad signing because he played the same position like a player who is better than him, because we needed a completely diffent playertype, a PG or scoring SG, even a Center upgrade was more important than the 3rd 3D & SG and because his low volume 3 point attempts doesn't change our bad shooting at all, even if he hits his normal %. The whole concept was dumb from start. Hey, we have a elite defense, burn our caps pace for a guys that makes us 1-5% better at it, so that we have a 95% defense instead of a 93% but ignore our 20% offense. It's easy math which move improves us more.
Now we play a almost retired 3rd string PG because surprise surprise AB is more of a 3&D wing with some ballhandling and passing instead of a PG.
KCP was never addressing any need of this roster. We didn't needed his defense at the position. He was never solving our shooting in the slightest. He doesn't solved anything at offense and was obsolete on defense.
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Re: 2024-2025 Regular Season Game 76: Los Angeles Clippers (42-32) at Orlando Magic (36-39) - 7pm 

Post#342 » by Skybox » Wed Apr 2, 2025 9:46 am

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VFX wrote:I like that the last page of this game thread turned into a "all takes here are inconsistent because context no longer means anything" series of posts.


Don’t worry bro it’s all injuries and when they run it back next year, it’ll all be good.


An excellent year for more analysis…it’s not an NBA team, it’s a lab rat
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Re: 2024-2025 Regular Season Game 76: Los Angeles Clippers (42-32) at Orlando Magic (36-39) - 7pm 

Post#343 » by basketballRob » Wed Apr 2, 2025 11:15 am

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Even if you are right, the price is Caldwell-Pope and four players that will probably be marginal in the league. Come on dude: don't overvalue low FRPs and really don't overvalue Howard, a guy that won't be in the NBA in a couple years.

From an asset management perspective, the proposed trade improves the Magic.


See, the issue I guess is that I don't think the trade is bad, i'm not saying the trade is bad, and Sexton would certainly make the team better. But just like how no one liked the KCP signing (which is hilarious), no matter if the trade was good or not, many posters here would immediately think its wrong bad two months in. That was my point. Many posters want immediate results from everything. Suggs was going to be out of the league after his second contract just a mere 20 months ago, now Black is the dude that is already bust. KCP has played with our 3 best players like 80 minutes and we know he is useless and bad, even though he has 2 rings and was a 40% 3 point shooters for the last 5 years, he has a Magic logo on his chest now so he is worthless.

It blows my mind how we just glob onto a take and then just ride it into oblivion. We got people who think Suggs still sucks. Tristan is 4 years older than AB and gets a pass and is much, MUCH worse than AB. Like the internal consistency is loosey goosey as hell.


People knew it was a bad signing because he played the same position like a player who is better than him, because we needed a completely diffent playertype, a PG or scoring SG, even a Center upgrade was more important than the 3rd 3D & SG and because his low volume 3 point attempts doesn't change our bad shooting at all, even if he hits his normal %. The whole concept was dumb from start. Hey, we have a elite defense, burn our caps pace for a guys that makes us 1-5% better at it, so that we have a 95% defense instead of a 93% but ignore our 20% offense. It's easy math which move improves us more.
Now we play a almost retired 3rd string PG because surprise surprise AB is more of a 3&D wing with some ballhandling and passing instead of a PG.
KCP was never addressing any need of this roster. We didn't needed his defense at the position. He was never solving our shooting in the slightest. He doesn't solved anything at offense and was obsolete on defense.
AB has played PG in every game that Cole was out. Joseph and AB split minutes. The Magic went 6-4 with AB playing PG. He will be a PG in the future. AB looks better with the ball in his hands.

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Re: 2024-2025 Regular Season Game 76: Los Angeles Clippers (42-32) at Orlando Magic (36-39) - 7pm 

Post#344 » by drsd » Wed Apr 2, 2025 12:32 pm

basketballRob wrote:AB has played PG in every game that Cole was out. Joseph and AB split minutes. The Magic went 6-4 with AB playing PG. He will be a PG in the future. AB looks better with the ball in his hands.


Yes or no: Black is the starter opening night of the 2025/26 season?

Context for year-3 6th-selectio picks:
2022: Bennedict Mathurin started 48/67 this year; did not start opening night. Was a regular starter from game-6 on.
2021: Josh Giddey started 80/80 in year-3. Started opening night!
2020: Onyeka Okongwu, started 18/80 in year-3. Did not start opening night
2019: Jarrett Culver. 0/37 in year-3. Obviously did no start opening night
2018: Mo Bamba, started 5/46 in year-3. Did not start on opening night (was injured first half of year)
2017: Jonathan Isaac. Started 32/34 in year-3. Started opening night!
2016: Buddy Hield. Started 18/25 in year-3. Started opening night!
2015: Willie Cauley-Stein, started 57/73 in year-3. Started opening night!

Big shoes for Black expectations wise. This coming season is the season Mr. #6's are meant to be midrange Starters. I bet if we ran a poll here, it would be below 50% of us see him as "Starting PG for the 2025/26 Magic".
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Re: 2024-2025 Regular Season Game 76: Los Angeles Clippers (42-32) at Orlando Magic (36-39) - 7pm 

Post#345 » by JoshuaPotter » Wed Apr 2, 2025 1:24 pm

drsd wrote:
basketballRob wrote:AB has played PG in every game that Cole was out. Joseph and AB split minutes. The Magic went 6-4 with AB playing PG. He will be a PG in the future. AB looks better with the ball in his hands.


Yes or no: Black is the starter opening night of the 2025/26 season?

Context for year-3 6th-selectio picks:
2022: Bennedict Mathurin started 48/67 this year; did not start opening night. Was a regular starter from game-6 on.
2021: Josh Giddey started 80/80 in year-3. Started opening night!
2020: Onyeka Okongwu, started 18/80 in year-3. Did not start opening night
2019: Jarrett Culver. 0/37 in year-3. Obviously did no start opening night
2018: Mo Bamba, started 5/46 in year-3. Did not start on opening night (was injured first half of year)
2017: Jonathan Isaac. Started 32/34 in year-3. Started opening night!
2016: Buddy Hield. Started 18/25 in year-3. Started opening night!
2015: Willie Cauley-Stein, started 57/73 in year-3. Started opening night!

Big shoes for Black expectations wise. This coming season is the season Mr. #6's are meant to be midrange Starters. I bet if we ran a poll here, it would be below 50% of us see him as "Starting PG for the 2025/26 Magic".


The problem with this question is a player named Suggs.

It's not the fanbases problem that our organization is drafting not PG to play as PGs.

Problem number to remains as bench scoring. If we don't keep Mo / Cole. Where will it come from. Mo it seems is legit in his career now, hopefully he comes back from injury as the same ol Mole. Cole on the other hand is streaky and youll love to hate.

My guess, backcourt of Black + Suggs is probable. If Suggs isn't back from injury then the plan should be Black + KCP. Well see though, Black has shown he can be assertive on offense, but can the Franz + Paolo share the ball enough with him to get him his looks with a similar playstyle? Egads!

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