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Re: Paolo on The Pivot podcast 

Post#41 » by Rainwater » Sun May 25, 2025 2:50 am

tiderulz wrote:
Knightro wrote:Paolo shouldn’t and will not take one cent less than his absolute maximum contract.

then he shouldnt cry about not having enough around him.

Peyton Manning always had to be the highest paid QB, and lost most post seasons and complained he needed more help.

Brady took less, the team used the money to put a better team on the field and he won more.

different sport I know, but similar idea.


Dwayne Wade, now an owner, says that players should never take a pay cut. He said he regrets doing so to form the big three. Paolo should not take less than the maximum.
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Re: Paolo on The Pivot podcast 

Post#42 » by BadMofoPimp » Sun May 25, 2025 3:44 am

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BadMofoPimp wrote:
JoshuaPotter wrote:
Did Michael Jordan?

Did Kobe Bryant?

Did Lebron James?

Did Steph Curry?

Did Dwayne Wade?

Did Shaq?

Sorry. If anything the tippy top players are UNDER PAID. Your argument works for people in the Suggs tier, and yes if it keeps up, possibly in the Franz tier. But so far, at least offensively, Paolo is in his own tier and slowly improving.


I don't see Paolo being in their category. He tries to be by jacking up too many shots this past year as he was trying to earn that Max payday which in effect hurt the team at times.

Paolo was going to get that max contract since before his rookie year ended. He could have been out for the season and we’d still offer him the max. With that said, I cannot see him giving us a discount to get better players. Franz didn’t, Suggs didn’t and I can’t see Paolo doing it.


Maybe he was hoping for 1st, 2nd or 3rd team and get that bigger max deal like Cade.
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Re: Paolo on The Pivot podcast 

Post#43 » by ORLMagicGirl15 » Sun May 25, 2025 4:28 am

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I don't see Paolo being in their category. He tries to be by jacking up too many shots this past year as he was trying to earn that Max payday which in effect hurt the team at times.

Paolo was going to get that max contract since before his rookie year ended. He could have been out for the season and we’d still offer him the max. With that said, I cannot see him giving us a discount to get better players. Franz didn’t, Suggs didn’t and I can’t see Paolo doing it.


Maybe he was hoping for 1st, 2nd or 3rd team and get that bigger max deal like Cade.

I think Paolo wants All NBA because he wants to be the best player, I think the money is his side quest. I do expect him to be better next season to get that full max though. So, he’ll probably be looking to shoot more. We most definitely need a point guard to spread the ball around.

I can’t wait to see contract year Paolo. I hope he actually improves in efficient. He doesn’t necessarily need to take more shots, he just needs to be more efficient to see his points per game go up.
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Re: Paolo on The Pivot podcast 

Post#44 » by tiderulz » Sun May 25, 2025 4:48 am

Rainwater wrote:
tiderulz wrote:
Knightro wrote:Paolo shouldn’t and will not take one cent less than his absolute maximum contract.

then he shouldnt cry about not having enough around him.

Peyton Manning always had to be the highest paid QB, and lost most post seasons and complained he needed more help.

Brady took less, the team used the money to put a better team on the field and he won more.

different sport I know, but similar idea.


Dwayne Wade, now an owner, says that players should never take a pay cut. He said he regrets doing so to form the big three. Paolo should not take less than the maximum.

yet the pay cut enabled him to win some titles. All depends what you want, the most money you can get or a better chance at titles
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Re: Paolo on The Pivot podcast 

Post#45 » by Rainwater » Sun May 25, 2025 8:02 am

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tiderulz wrote:then he shouldnt cry about not having enough around him.

Peyton Manning always had to be the highest paid QB, and lost most post seasons and complained he needed more help.

Brady took less, the team used the money to put a better team on the field and he won more.

different sport I know, but similar idea.


Dwayne Wade, now an owner, says that players should never take a pay cut. He said he regrets doing so to form the big three. Paolo should not take less than the maximum.

yet the pay cut enabled him to win some titles. All depends what you want, the most money you can get or a better chance at titles


Naw, as a now owner Wade realized that he didn't have to give up money at the time to win. He said that management told them that was what needed to be done, and they went with it. As players (Lebron, Bosh, and Wade) were pretty naive. People need to realize this is a business and people need to do what is in their best interest. No player should be giving up money, Management should do their job and build a proper team.

The article and the quote.

https://fadeawayworld.net/dwyane-wade-regrets-giving-up-around-20-million-during-the-big-3-era-of-the-miami-heat-now-as-someone-whos-on-the-other-side-of-it-i-didnt-have-to-give-that-money-up

It was tough to give up, I think I gave up $17 or $20 million. Now, as someone who’s on the other side of it, I didn’t have to give that money up. I could have pushed the envelope a little bit more. I could have made them spread a little bit of that bread. There was a lot of things that at the time, as a player, you really didn’t know. You just know that this is what they said needs to be done, and this is what we want to do. Let’s get it done, and so we all had to sacrifice financially.
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Re: Paolo on The Pivot podcast 

Post#46 » by BadMofoPimp » Sun May 25, 2025 11:38 am

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tiderulz wrote:
Rainwater wrote:
Dwayne Wade, now an owner, says that players should never take a pay cut. He said he regrets doing so to form the big three. Paolo should not take less than the maximum.

yet the pay cut enabled him to win some titles. All depends what you want, the most money you can get or a better chance at titles


Naw, as a now owner Wade realized that he didn't have to give up money at the time to win. He said that management told them that was what needed to be done, and they went with it. As players (Lebron, Bosh, and Wade) were pretty naive. People need to realize this is a business and people need to do what is in their best interest. No player should be giving up money, Management should do their job and build a proper team.

The article and the quote.

https://fadeawayworld.net/dwyane-wade-regrets-giving-up-around-20-million-during-the-big-3-era-of-the-miami-heat-now-as-someone-whos-on-the-other-side-of-it-i-didnt-have-to-give-that-money-up

It was tough to give up, I think I gave up $17 or $20 million. Now, as someone who’s on the other side of it, I didn’t have to give that money up. I could have pushed the envelope a little bit more. I could have made them spread a little bit of that bread. There was a lot of things that at the time, as a player, you really didn’t know. You just know that this is what they said needs to be done, and this is what we want to do. Let’s get it done, and so we all had to sacrifice financially.


Now, as an owner giving away max money freely, the Jazz will never ever win a ship.
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Re: Paolo on The Pivot podcast 

Post#47 » by Rainwater » Sun May 25, 2025 9:10 pm

BadMofoPimp wrote:
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tiderulz wrote:yet the pay cut enabled him to win some titles. All depends what you want, the most money you can get or a better chance at titles


Naw, as a now owner Wade realized that he didn't have to give up money at the time to win. He said that management told them that was what needed to be done, and they went with it. As players (Lebron, Bosh, and Wade) were pretty naive. People need to realize this is a business and people need to do what is in their best interest. No player should be giving up money, Management should do their job and build a proper team.

The article and the quote.

https://fadeawayworld.net/dwyane-wade-regrets-giving-up-around-20-million-during-the-big-3-era-of-the-miami-heat-now-as-someone-whos-on-the-other-side-of-it-i-didnt-have-to-give-that-money-up

It was tough to give up, I think I gave up $17 or $20 million. Now, as someone who’s on the other side of it, I didn’t have to give that money up. I could have pushed the envelope a little bit more. I could have made them spread a little bit of that bread. There was a lot of things that at the time, as a player, you really didn’t know. You just know that this is what they said needs to be done, and this is what we want to do. Let’s get it done, and so we all had to sacrifice financially.


Now, as an owner giving away max money freely, the Jazz will never ever win a ship.


The jazz don’t have a max guy to give money to. There is difference between away max money freely and giving it to guys who deserve it.
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Re: Paolo on The Pivot podcast 

Post#48 » by uraverage » Sun May 25, 2025 9:14 pm

I have a gut feeling that PB or the NBA will force him to Seattle when the league expands.
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Post#49 » by Skybox » Sun May 25, 2025 9:59 pm

uraverage wrote:I have a gut feeling that PB or the NBA will force him to Seattle when the league expands.


Doesn't every player in the NBA have a hometown? Very few play there.
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Post#50 » by MagicFan101 » Sun May 25, 2025 10:38 pm

In no way whatsoever should PB take a paycut or should Orlando play around with such ideas. Given how they handled Franz, I do not expect such ridiculousness.

Orlando will offer Paolo the max and he will accept it quickly.

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Re: Paolo on The Pivot podcast 

Post#51 » by KillMonger » Sun May 25, 2025 11:59 pm

uraverage wrote:I have a gut feeling that PB or the NBA will force him to Seattle when the league expands.
I highly doubt that, maybe at the end of his career.... Expansion teams usually suck initially

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Post#52 » by RookieStar » Mon May 26, 2025 12:19 am

uraverage wrote:I have a gut feeling that PB or the NBA will force him to Seattle when the league expands.


Sure when Paolo wins us a title or 2 and he is in his mid-30s.

Ill glady help pack and organize a parade for him while eagerly anticipaing Silver to "gift" us the #1 pick.
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Post#53 » by uraverage » Mon May 26, 2025 1:04 am

I'm probably just jaded living thru 2 number 1s leaving. When he speaks of home he seems to miss it and speak highly of it.
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Re: Paolo on The Pivot podcast 

Post#54 » by OrlandoDream » Mon May 26, 2025 6:31 pm

Watched it and Paolo knows moves are coming. Dont get attached to anyone on the roster outside Paolo/Franz/Suggs.
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Post#55 » by Skin » Mon May 26, 2025 8:42 pm

Weltman is the most extremely passive, slow minded GM in the league. I don't believe he'll do anything that will significantly change the hopes of this team. Paolo will get his money, but this team won't become a contender under Weltman. He'll have to get fired first.
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Re: Paolo on The Pivot podcast 

Post#56 » by Skin » Mon May 26, 2025 8:43 pm

OrlandoDream wrote:Watched it and Paolo knows moves are coming. Dont get attached to anyone on the roster outside Paolo/Franz/Suggs.

He only hopes like the rest of us. Weltman is simply incapable of going against his nature of making bold moves.
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Post#57 » by ORLMagicGirl15 » Mon May 26, 2025 10:23 pm

uraverage wrote:I'm probably just jaded living thru 2 number 1s leaving. When he speaks of home he seems to miss it and speak highly of it.

So incredibly fond of home but played for Duke?
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Re: Paolo on The Pivot podcast 

Post#58 » by CLosP » Thu Jun 12, 2025 11:39 pm

BadMofoPimp wrote:If Paolo truly wants to win, then he would accept less money to help the "Team" out.


Well the ‘team’ aka the front office should’ve helped him out by providing talent around him on his rookie contract.

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