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Official 2025 Offseason Thread

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Re: Official 2025 Offseason Thread 

Post#981 » by OrlandoDream » Fri Jun 6, 2025 3:20 pm

Blue_and_Whte wrote:
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That isnt right if you watch it closer. The reason the team sucked at that time was on one side they lost one of their few good players and with him the only guard with penetration ability + his defense and intensity but the major part was both stars coming back rusty. Paolo was the most inefficient high volume scorer in the leaque by far, while playing Anfernee Simon's like defense.
Paolos play in combination with his volume and play style pretty much tanked the whole team at the time. As soon as he got better and Franz found his elite defense again this team was one of the top 2 - 3 defensive teams again by any statitically metric and won games. As much as I love Suggs but his influence is much more legend building than actual facts. Even by individual advanced metrics he is only slightly positive.
yes they were rusty. But still doesnt change the fact that they did play without energy once Suggs went down and it took a while for them to regain that momentum.

Suggs impact on the team in terms of energy, effort, and intensity and how it drives his teammates is not a myth or legend. It’s fact. You have to be blind or dumb not to see how the team responds to how he plays.
He sets the standard and sparks his guys to match his defensive intensity and constantly referred to as the heart and soul of the team. WTF are people actually talking about?

This is what all nba defenders do. Its not the individual defense. That we already know is incredible. Playing alongside Suggs forces other players to give their 100% on that end. His importance to this team isn't appreciated enough.
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Re: Official 2025 Offseason Thread 

Post#982 » by Fortune Teller » Fri Jun 6, 2025 4:31 pm

OrlandoDream wrote:
Blue_and_Whte wrote:
fendilim wrote:yes they were rusty. But still doesnt change the fact that they did play without energy once Suggs went down and it took a while for them to regain that momentum.

Suggs impact on the team in terms of energy, effort, and intensity and how it drives his teammates is not a myth or legend. It’s fact. You have to be blind or dumb not to see how the team responds to how he plays.
He sets the standard and sparks his guys to match his defensive intensity and constantly referred to as the heart and soul of the team. WTF are people actually talking about?

This is what all nba defenders do. Its not the individual defense. That we already know is incredible. Playing alongside Suggs forces other players to give their 100% on that end. His importance to this team isn't appreciated enough.

I don't know, I think most on this board appreciate Suggs' importance and impact. There are just genuine concerns about his availability. He's only finished one season out of four. And it's not like he's a workhorse when he plays, because his career MPG is only 26.4.

What really sucked was losing both hype guys in the same season, because Moe Wagner is the other player who can change a game with his energy. In an 82-game season you need those guys who can light a fire under their teammates on those nights when everyone is running in mud.
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Re: Official 2025 Offseason Thread 

Post#983 » by Blue_and_Whte » Sun Jun 8, 2025 11:14 am

Fortune Teller wrote:
OrlandoDream wrote:
Blue_and_Whte wrote:Suggs impact on the team in terms of energy, effort, and intensity and how it drives his teammates is not a myth or legend. It’s fact. You have to be blind or dumb not to see how the team responds to how he plays.
He sets the standard and sparks his guys to match his defensive intensity and constantly referred to as the heart and soul of the team. WTF are people actually talking about?

This is what all nba defenders do. Its not the individual defense. That we already know is incredible. Playing alongside Suggs forces other players to give their 100% on that end. His importance to this team isn't appreciated enough.

I don't know, I think most on this board appreciate Suggs' importance and impact. There are just genuine concerns about his availability. He's only finished one season out of four. And it's not like he's a workhorse when he plays, because his career MPG is only 26.4.

What really sucked was losing both hype guys in the same season, because Moe Wagner is the other player who can change a game with his energy. In an 82-game season you need those guys who can light a fire under their teammates on those nights when everyone is running in mud.

Concern over his healthy is legitimate. Pretending his impact on the team is a myth is not.
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Re: Official 2025 Offseason Thread 

Post#984 » by Magic_Johnny12 » Sun Jun 8, 2025 7:22 pm

Also posted this in the trade thread but think it’s relevant here as well

Fischer (from his recent article)

1) Orlando is trying to trade up into the late lottery

2) Orlando is looking to add an offensive-minded assistant coach

3) Orlando made a real effort to acquire DeArron Fox at this years deadline
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Re: Official 2025 Offseason Thread 

Post#985 » by yoyojw17 » Sun Jun 8, 2025 8:19 pm

Magic_Johnny12 wrote:Also posted this in the trade thread but think it’s relevant here as well

Fischer (from his recent article)

1) Orlando is trying to trade up into the late lottery

2) Orlando is looking to add an offensive-minded assistant coach

3) Orlando made a real effort to acquire DeArron Fox at this years deadline


The one thing that I personally will need to see this off season. :pray:
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Re: Official 2025 Offseason Thread 

Post#986 » by RookieStar » Sun Jun 8, 2025 9:12 pm

Magic_Johnny12 wrote:Also posted this in the trade thread but think it’s relevant here as well

Fischer (from his recent article)

1) Orlando is trying to trade up into the late lottery

2) Orlando is looking to add an offensive-minded assistant coach

3) Orlando made a real effort to acquire DeArron Fox at this years deadline


Fox? really? Wonder what we offered...
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Re: Official 2025 Offseason Thread 

Post#987 » by Magic_Johnny12 » Sun Jun 8, 2025 9:15 pm

RookieStar wrote:
Magic_Johnny12 wrote:Also posted this in the trade thread but think it’s relevant here as well

Fischer (from his recent article)

1) Orlando is trying to trade up into the late lottery

2) Orlando is looking to add an offensive-minded assistant coach

3) Orlando made a real effort to acquire DeArron Fox at this years deadline


Fox? really? Wonder what we offered...


It almost had to be:

Fox (34.8)

Jonathan Isaac (25M)
Anthony Black (7.6M)
TDS or Joseph (3.6M)
2-3 FRP’s
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Re: Official 2025 Offseason Thread 

Post#988 » by RookieStar » Sun Jun 8, 2025 9:32 pm

Magic_Johnny12 wrote:
RookieStar wrote:
Magic_Johnny12 wrote:Also posted this in the trade thread but think it’s relevant here as well

Fischer (from his recent article)

1) Orlando is trying to trade up into the late lottery

2) Orlando is looking to add an offensive-minded assistant coach

3) Orlando made a real effort to acquire DeArron Fox at this years deadline


Fox? really? Wonder what we offered...


It almost had to be:

Fox (34.8)

Jonathan Isaac (25M)
Anthony Black (7.6M)
TDS or Joseph (3.6M)
2-3 FRP’s


Thats actually an amazing package if true... wonder why they didnt pull the trigger
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Re: Official 2025 Offseason Thread 

Post#989 » by basketballRob » Sun Jun 8, 2025 10:08 pm

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Re: Official 2025 Offseason Thread 

Post#990 » by Magic_Johnny12 » Sun Jun 8, 2025 10:26 pm

RookieStar wrote:
Magic_Johnny12 wrote:
RookieStar wrote:
Fox? really? Wonder what we offered...


It almost had to be:

Fox (34.8)

Jonathan Isaac (25M)
Anthony Black (7.6M)
TDS or Joseph (3.6M)
2-3 FRP’s


Thats actually an amazing package if true... wonder why they didnt pull the trigger


I think it had more to do with Fox wanting (probably demanding) to be In SA (where his family lives apparently).
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Re: Official 2025 Offseason Thread 

Post#991 » by Idiosyncratic » Sun Jun 8, 2025 10:27 pm

Fox always wanted to be in San Antonio. He played bad there, probably because of his already injured finger. They got rewarded with Dylan Harper, yay!
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Re: Official 2025 Offseason Thread 

Post#992 » by Skybox » Sun Jun 8, 2025 10:55 pm

Magic_Johnny12 wrote:
RookieStar wrote:
Magic_Johnny12 wrote:
It almost had to be:

Fox (34.8)

Jonathan Isaac (25M)
Anthony Black (7.6M)
TDS or Joseph (3.6M)
2-3 FRP’s


Thats actually an amazing package if true... wonder why they didnt pull the trigger


I think it had more to do with Fox wanting (probably demanding) to be In SA (where his family lives apparently).


Plus we have absolutely no idea what Weltman really offered.
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Re: Official 2025 Offseason Thread 

Post#993 » by Magic_Johnny12 » Sun Jun 8, 2025 11:39 pm

Skybox wrote:
Magic_Johnny12 wrote:
RookieStar wrote:
Thats actually an amazing package if true... wonder why they didnt pull the trigger


I think it had more to do with Fox wanting (probably demanding) to be In SA (where his family lives apparently).


Plus we have absolutely no idea what Weltman really offered.


I mean Suggs was just extended and injured.

WCJ wasn’t trade eligible.

KCP was just signed.

Paolo/Wagner presumably off limits.

Whether you want to believe it or not, this was likely the package being offered. Maybe a little more/maybe a little less but there’s a really good chance Isaac/Black/picks were the main components of any big trade.
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Re: Official 2025 Offseason Thread 

Post#994 » by Skybox » Sun Jun 8, 2025 11:58 pm

Magic_Johnny12 wrote:
Skybox wrote:
Magic_Johnny12 wrote:
I think it had more to do with Fox wanting (probably demanding) to be In SA (where his family lives apparently).


Plus we have absolutely no idea what Weltman really offered.


I mean Suggs was just extended and injured.

WCJ wasn’t trade eligible.

KCP was just signed.

Paolo/Wagner presumably off limits.

Whether you want to believe it or not, this was likely the package being offered. Maybe a little more/maybe a little less but there’s a really good chance Isaac/Black/picks were the main components of any big trade.


What we know is NOTHING. Suggs could absolutely have been offered...Fox was THE available star at the time. I think Isaac is massively undervalued by other fans and, possibly, massively overvalued by ORL fans. His injuries and minutes limitations and complete lack of offense this year makes him somebody that just might not have any value. I think he'd be the right complement to Sabonis, but it's also pretty easy to imagine that nobody even would consider him an asset.
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Re: Official 2025 Offseason Thread 

Post#995 » by basketballRob » Tue Jun 10, 2025 9:33 am

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Re: Official 2025 Offseason Thread 

Post#996 » by Jaxfann » Tue Jun 10, 2025 9:49 pm

Blue_and_Whte wrote:
Fortune Teller wrote:
OrlandoDream wrote:This is what all nba defenders do. Its not the individual defense. That we already know is incredible. Playing alongside Suggs forces other players to give their 100% on that end. His importance to this team isn't appreciated enough.

I don't know, I think most on this board appreciate Suggs' importance and impact. There are just genuine concerns about his availability. He's only finished one season out of four. And it's not like he's a workhorse when he plays, because his career MPG is only 26.4.

What really sucked was losing both hype guys in the same season, because Moe Wagner is the other player who can change a game with his energy. In an 82-game season you need those guys who can light a fire under their teammates on those nights when everyone is running in mud.

Concern over his healthy is legitimate. Pretending his impact on the team is a myth is not.

His impact on the floor is unquestionable - I hope we can make a trade for the offensive player we need without giving up Suggs!
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Re: Official 2025 Offseason Thread 

Post#997 » by DusterBuster » Tue Jun 10, 2025 10:01 pm

Magic_Johnny12 wrote:
RookieStar wrote:
Magic_Johnny12 wrote:
It almost had to be:

Fox (34.8)

Jonathan Isaac (25M)
Anthony Black (7.6M)
TDS or Joseph (3.6M)
2-3 FRP’s


Thats actually an amazing package if true... wonder why they didnt pull the trigger


I think it had more to do with Fox wanting (probably demanding) to be In SA (where his family lives apparently).


That seemed to be a pretty clearly unspoken thing that he was demanding Spurs only.

Meanwhile...

Simons
Williams III (non-guaranteed last year)

for

Isaac
Black
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ehhhhhhhhh???
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Re: Official 2025 Offseason Thread 

Post#998 » by Magic_Johnny12 » Tue Jun 10, 2025 10:21 pm

DusterBuster wrote:
Magic_Johnny12 wrote:
RookieStar wrote:
Thats actually an amazing package if true... wonder why they didnt pull the trigger


I think it had more to do with Fox wanting (probably demanding) to be In SA (where his family lives apparently).


That seemed to be a pretty clearly unspoken thing that he was demanding Spurs only.

Meanwhile...

Simons
Williams III (non-guaranteed last year)

for

Isaac
Black
#16

ehhhhhhhhh???


Lol. You’re going to be extremely disappointed if you think Simon’s has this kind of value :lol:
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Re: Official 2025 Offseason Thread 

Post#999 » by AdamTheGreek » Thu Jun 12, 2025 12:08 pm

Franz is playing EuroBasket (which I view as very good news).
He and Mo did a MagentaSport interview and that’s the leaked exclusive.
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Re: Official 2025 Offseason Thread 

Post#1000 » by Skybox » Thu Jun 12, 2025 1:52 pm

AdamTheGreek wrote:Franz is playing EuroBasket (which I view as very good news).
He and Mo did a MagentaSport interview and that’s the leaked exclusive.


any word on Moe's progress, recovery timeline?

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