Can we afford to overpay Miles Turner now

[Skybox]

We have no money.

There’s no sign-and-trade option because Turner would demand a large salary.

There’s money , it just luxury tax and WCJ or Issac could be useful as trade pieces

You asked and he answered...there is NO money and there are no picks to attach to lesser players even if IND chose to SnT.

[three3d]

We have no money.

There’s no sign-and-trade option because Turner would demand a large salary.

There’s money , it just luxury tax and WCJ or Issac could be useful as trade pieces

You asked and he answered...there is NO money and there are no picks to attach to lesser players even if IND chose to SnT.

Sky you can’t equivalently go all in with Bane and run it back with WCJ at center. He’s to much of a liability health wise, game wise, and mentally commits some stupid mistakes.

[AdamTheGreek]

We can’t and should not come back with WCJ starting at center, but Turner is an almost impossible option. His salary is going to be out of our reach.

Poeltl, Gafford, Valanciunas, Nurkic, Brook Lopez ate more realistically priced options.

[Skybox]

There’s money , it just luxury tax and WCJ or Issac could be useful as trade pieces

You asked and he answered...there is NO money and there are no picks to attach to lesser players even if IND chose to SnT.

Sky you can’t equivalently go all in with Bane and run it back with WCJ at center. He’s to much of a liability health wise, game wise, and mentally commits some stupid mistakes.

I've been pushing Goga, Howard #25 for Gafford...WCJ can back up multiple positions and we're not relying on him so heavily.

I'm with you that C is now top weakness but Turner, specifically, is out of reach...he's about to cash in and, imo, he's really not THAT great. Can't pay everyone at every position.

No picks left to play with but I'd love to grab Gafford...I'd also trade WCJ for him and maybe DAL likes his versatility. WCJ could play with Lively at PF or next to AD at C (Since fragile diva AD wants someone else to do the banging).

We've got way too much money at the C spot without having a solid starter and when people say "we need depth because WCJ will miss time" then we need to get off him.

So, I agree with you...but I don't think Turner is remotely possible.

[anothermagicfan]

You asked and he answered...there is NO money and there are no picks to attach to lesser players even if IND chose to SnT.

Sky you can’t equivalently go all in with Bane and run it back with WCJ at center. He’s to much of a liability health wise, game wise, and mentally commits some stupid mistakes.

I've been pushing Goga, Howard #25 for Gafford...WCJ can back up multiple positions and we're not relying on him so heavily.

I'm with you that C is now top weakness but Turner, specifically, is out of reach...he's about to cash in and, imo, he's really not THAT great. Can't pay everyone at every position.

No picks left to play with but I'd love to grab Gafford...I'd also trade WCJ for him and maybe DAL likes his versatility. WCJ could play with Lively at PF or next to AD at C (Since fragile diva AD wants someone else to do the banging).

We've got way too much money at the C spot without having a solid starter and when people say "we need depth because WCJ will miss time" then we need to get off him.

So, I agree with you...but I don't think Turner is remotely possible.

I totally agree that starting center is our weakness now. On top of the injury history with WCJ his extension kicks in next year. I think we need to find someone that's cheaper and more consistent. Even if Goga becomes the starter and we have another big to be the backup until Moe is ready to go. Hell Moe might even be better suited to start when he's ready.

[eyriq]

Here is a rank for bigs based on their regular season stats using B-R position labels. Turner is overrated.

1. Jokic
2. KAT
3. Sabonis
4. Wemby
5. Sengun
6. Zubac
7. Allen
8. Bam
9. JJJ
10. Gobert
11. Vooch
12. Duren
13. Poeltl
14. Onyeka
15. Kessler
16. Porzingis
17. IHart
18. Williams
19. Turner
20. Gafford
21. Lopez
22. Naz
23. Chet
24. Goga
25. Claxton
26. Kornet
27. Jonas
28. Lively
29. Edey
30. Ayton

[Skybox]

Here is a rank for bigs based on their regular season stats using B-R position labels. Turner is overrated.

1. Jokic
2. KAT
3. Sabonis
4. Wemby
5. Sengun
6. Zubac
7. Allen
8. Bam
9. JJJ
10. Gobert
11. Vooch
12. Duren
13. Poeltl
14. Onyeka
15. Kessler
16. Porzingis
17. IHart
18. Williams
19. Turner
20. Gafford
21. Lopez
22. Naz
23. Chet
24. Goga
25. Claxton
26. Kornet
27. Jonas
28. Lively
29. Edey
30. Ayton

There are so many different flavors of Center...ordering them is silly.

it's a matter of fit and playing style.

Jokic has as much in common with Lively as I do. None of ours made the list?

Edit...I see Goga, our 3rd stringer

[Orlando Dawg]

I’m not a fan of centers that camp the 3 point line.
Get into position to rebound instead.
A center plays in the center not the perimeter.
That’s why Goga is a good center because he doesn’t want to shoot threes.
That’s why Wendell sucks because he wants to shoot 3’s and is only average or less and then around the rim he gets rejected. Best thing he can do is put the goggles back on and pretend he’s Horace Grant but then he becomes a PF.

[Bensational]

We can’t and should not come back with WCJ starting at center, but Turner is an almost impossible option. His salary is going to be out of our reach.

Poeltl, Gafford, Valanciunas, Nurkic, Brook Lopez ate more realistically priced options.

KP will be available. Health risk, but worth it when he’s on. WCJ + Gary/Jett gets us in range money wise I think.

[pepe1991]

No. Closed thread?

"There are two hurdles with a Turner deal. First, it’s unclear how available he truly is. Given his impending free agency, there is a sense around the league Turner is sneakily gettable and can be had for the right price. He’s going to be seeking a contract starting in the $30-plus million range annually, and the Pacers aren’t sure if they want to pay him that much, according to league sources. That has to be factored into this equation if the Lakers trade for him. Second, the Pacers would likely need a center in return. They are not an organization that tanks, and giving up their starting center without getting another would likely cause them to take a step back in the East. "

Porzingis or any player making $30M a year = impossible trade.

Magic declined Joseph and G. Harris.

They can only trade:
Banchero
Franz
Suggs
Bane can't be traded for few months now as far as i remember rules

now realistic ones:
Carter ( $10,8M)
Isaac ($27,5 if traded before season ends, $15M if not traded within next few days)
Mo Wagner ( if team option is picked)
Goga ($8,3M)
Black (8M)
Jett (5,3M)
TDS ( 3,8M)


People need to kiss goodby big impact, big name trades. Magic can't package Isaac, Jett and TDs for C. In theory they can, but that would leave them with 9 players and almost no cap + one of those 9 can't even play any time soon (Moe).
Magic also can't "dump " Isaac without attaching pick, he is overvalued by Magic so much and so damn overpaid for little value he has as player and as contract.
If you really wanna go balls deep for a title next year, despite fact you never passed first round of playoffs, than offer pick swap in 2031 and Isaac for Gafford. Gafford will cost you some $20-25M after that and ownership will have $450M bill for basketball team. Due passing all the aprons you will be doing fire sale by 2028 and Billy King award will be renamed to Weltman award. You will also probably help Grizzlies rebuild without dipping toe in lottery. For half of decade. Tbh this is bound to happen regardless. They flipped 30# pick into 4 unprotected picks + 16 pick

This is pretty much 101 example why team should not trade all the assets for not top 10 player. Because roster needs don't go away with one duplicate of player on position you didn't even need to "solve".

[eyriq]

Here is a rank for bigs based on their regular season stats using B-R position labels. Turner is overrated.

1. Jokic
2. KAT
3. Sabonis
4. Wemby
5. Sengun
6. Zubac
7. Allen
8. Bam
9. JJJ
10. Gobert
11. Vooch
12. Duren
13. Poeltl
14. Onyeka
15. Kessler
16. Porzingis
17. IHart
18. Williams
19. Turner
20. Gafford
21. Lopez
22. Naz
23. Chet
24. Goga
25. Claxton
26. Kornet
27. Jonas
28. Lively
29. Edey
30. Ayton

There are so many different flavors of Center...ordering them is silly.

it's a matter of fit and playing style.

Jokic has as much in common with Lively as I do. None of ours made the list?

Edit...I see Goga, our 3rd stringer

Goga had a great season.

[Bensational]

Porzingis or any player making $30M a year = impossible trade.

Magic declined Joseph and G. Harris.

They can only trade:
Banchero
Franz
Suggs
Bane can't be traded for few months now as far as i remember rules

now realistic ones:
Carter ( $10,8M)
Isaac ($27,5 if traded before season ends, $15M if not traded within next few days)
Mo Wagner ( if team option is picked)
Goga ($8,3M)
Black (8M)
Jett (5,3M)
TDS ( 3,8M)


People need to kiss goodby big impact, big name trades. Magic can't package Isaac, Jett and TDs for C. In theory they can, but that would leave them with 9 players and almost no cap + one of those 9 can't even play any time soon (Moe).
Magic also can't "dump " Isaac without attaching pick, he is overvalued by Magic so much and so damn overpaid for little value he has as player and as contract.
If you really wanna go balls deep for a title next year, despite fact you never passed first round of playoffs, than offer pick swap in 2031 and Isaac for Gafford. Gafford will cost you some $20-25M after that and ownership will have $450M bill for basketball team. Due passing all the aprons you will be doing fire sale by 2028 and Billy King award will be renamed to Weltman award. You will also probably help Grizzlies rebuild without dipping toe in lottery. For half of decade. Tbh this is bound to happen regardless. They flipped 30# pick into 4 unprotected picks + 16 pick

This is pretty much 101 example why team should not trade all the assets for not top 10 player. Because roster needs don't go away with one duplicate of player on position you didn't even need to "solve".

I think the Magic announced this deal so early and before the finals are over as a signal to other big names who might get moved this offseason to give the Magic serious consideration now. Deals aren’t done for the team.

Mo might need the full season to rehab, so there’s a chance they use his $11M as expiring filler in a deal for a bigger contract. They could easily have a handshake to bring him back the following season. They can’t really justify the gamble to keep him otherwise and risk having $11M on the bench and not on the court.

Mo + Isaac = $26M
Mo + WCJ = $22M

That’s starting C money. We’ve currently got 4 bigs, 2 have proven to be elite bench guys but none is a convincing long term starter.

KP/Goga
PB/Houstan
Franz/TDS
Bane/AB
Suggs

Use vet minimums and find undrafted gems like Miami and Memphis do to fill out the roster.

Off-season isn’t over. I’m really surprised you’re so down on Bane - I would’ve thought he’s exactly the kind of player you’d like? He’s basically Derrick White.

[Last Guardian]

If Suggs goes back to 40% like the year before and Bane has a normal shooting year...I don't think a C that shoots 3's is that necessary. We need a 7 footer that is a good lob target, eats up space on defense and grabs rebounds. I think we could be #1 defense with such a C.

[Skybox]

Here is a rank for bigs based on their regular season stats using B-R position labels. Turner is overrated.

1. Jokic
2. KAT
3. Sabonis
4. Wemby
5. Sengun
6. Zubac
7. Allen
8. Bam
9. JJJ
10. Gobert
11. Vooch
12. Duren
13. Poeltl
14. Onyeka
15. Kessler
16. Porzingis
17. IHart
18. Williams
19. Turner
20. Gafford
21. Lopez
22. Naz
23. Chet
24. Goga
25. Claxton
26. Kornet
27. Jonas
28. Lively
29. Edey
30. Ayton

There are so many different flavors of Center...ordering them is silly.

it's a matter of fit and playing style.

Jokic has as much in common with Lively as I do. None of ours made the list?

Edit...I see Goga, our 3rd stringer

Goga had a great season.

and you've got him 24th out of 30 teams...and he couldn't get on the court in the playoffs...you definitely have a soft spot for your guys.

[dsg2021]

WCJ and three 2nds for Naz Reid on 22 mil per/4 years.

WCJ, Jett, and three 2nds for Kristaps Porzingis with extension agreement to 22 mil per/3 years after his last 30 mil this year.

Goga, Houstan traded for mostly cap space via TPE’s/MLE’s/Nonguaranteed or smaller contracts.
Use 14 mil MLE.
Use 5 mil BAE.
Draft #25, #46, #57.

[TheChaser]

Turner is extremely mid. Hard pass.

Super duper mid