BREAKING: Magic acquire Desmond Bane (KCP, Cole + 4 1st Round Picks + 1 1st Round Pick Swap)

[basketballRob]

Jalen Suggs / Anthony Black
Desmond Bane / Jett Howard / Jase Richardson
Franz Wagner / Tristan Da Silva / Caleb Houstan
Paolo Banchero / Jonathan Isaac / Noah Penda
Wendell Carter / Moritz Wagner / Goga Boditze

Min vet to Gary or cojo?

I like Gary's defense if he comes back for a minimum type deal.

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[Knightro]

Jalen Suggs / Anthony Black
Desmond Bane / Jett Howard / Jase Richardson
Franz Wagner / Tristan Da Silva / Caleb Houstan
Paolo Banchero / Jonathan Isaac / Noah Penda
Wendell Carter / Moritz Wagner / Goga Boditze

Putting a LOT of faith into guys who weren't good last season (Isaac) or have never been particularly good (TDS, Jett, Houstan) to fill rotation minutes.

I think they need one more guy at the 2/3 and I'd be willing to sacrifice some of the current center depth to make it happen.

[GelbeWand09]

Jalen Suggs / Anthony Black
Desmond Bane / Jett Howard / Jase Richardson
Franz Wagner / Tristan Da Silva / Caleb Houstan
Paolo Banchero / Jonathan Isaac / Noah Penda
Wendell Carter / Moritz Wagner / Goga Boditze

Putting a LOT of faith into guys who weren't good last season (Isaac) or have never been particularly good (TDS, Jett, Houstan) to fill rotation minutes.

I think they need one more guy at the 2/3 and I'd be willing to sacrifice some of the current center depth to make it happen.

A 2/3 that can shoot 3's too, because based on last years shooting, we have exactly 1 good 3 pointshooter in the starting 5 and the big minutes rotation. I think Suggs bounces back next season with more offball duties again & we all should hope Paolo & Franz get better but based on last year this is still a bottom 3 shooting team, even with Bane.

[bigdogdylan5]

Bane is on long term contract and very, very good player, but price tag for a guy that isn't clear cut superstar is flat out I.N.S.A.I.N.

That is type of haul you are proposing to get prime Durant, Lebron, Giannis, not fringe all star player that really isn't fixing some issues you already have on roster.

From salary cap POV, Banchero + Suggs + Franz + Bane = $160M in 2026-27

I guess our C rotation will continue to be Goga, Carter and Isaac for rest of this decade


Magic now have, from 2025-2031 - two first round picks. Not very valuable 25th pick ( way too late) and 2027 first round pick.

Scary.

Bane helps shooting issues. Bane adds to our shooting.
But Bane isn't very durable player, isn't really young ( 27, pretty much in his prime) and isn't full time playmaker.


Tbh this feels like panic move made by person who is in fear for his job. Esencially, this is Ibaka trade, just in this case Ibaka has more years left on his deal.
But Hennigan didn't sold 6 round picks for Ibaka, just one.

This is exactly the type of Ibaka trade that will eventually lead to firing Wellman and Parker, after everyone in the team management understands they screwed us badly.

Bane is a good player, no question about it, but our issues are playmaking, ability to shoot out of the dribble (on paly creation) and a proper C.
This addresses none of them and the cap situation is now ridiculous.
We have 4 players with extremely high contracts and the rest will be scrubs.

What a panic trade this is... We got fleeced hard.

Going back through some of the initial Bane reactions and I can’t let this one stand. Two of those statements about not addressing our issues is just flat out wrong. He shoots extremely well off the dribble and though probably not completely does really help address playmaking issues.

[bigdogdylan5]

It’s really so funny because initially I don’t think a lot of people knew how good Desmond Bane is.

[yoyojw17]

Jalen Suggs / Anthony Black
Desmond Bane / Jett Howard / Jase Richardson
Franz Wagner / Tristan Da Silva / Caleb Houstan
Paolo Banchero / Jonathan Isaac / Noah Penda
Wendell Carter / Moritz Wagner / Goga Boditze

Putting a LOT of faith into guys who weren't good last season (Isaac) or have never been particularly good (TDS, Jett, Houstan) to fill rotation minutes.

I think they need one more guy at the 2/3 and I'd be willing to sacrifice some of the current center depth to make it happen.

A 2/3 that can shoot 3's too, because based on last years shooting, we have exactly 1 good 3 pointshooter in the starting 5 and the big minutes rotation. I think Suggs bounces back next season with more offball duties again & we all should hope Paolo & Franz get better but based on last year this is still a bottom 3 shooting team, even with Bane.

Suggs was shooting 42.5% on like 8 threes before Paolo went out. So.... Hopefully returns to form in a healthy lineup and not having to step up to primary scorer status and had to do more than he was ready to. Paolo showed potential in the playoffs. We know what bane can do .... Just up to Franz and Wendell to find their grooves again.

[Optimus_Steel]

It’s really so funny because initially I don’t think a lot of people knew how good Desmond Bane is.

I agree I think alot of people did not see him play over the years since he was in Memphis and stays out of trouble.

[PrimeThyme]

Some buzz out there right now about Memphis and how they unsuccessfully attempted to shed Cole's salary last weekend.

Ive been as major of a critic of Weltmans as anyone throughout his time here but I loved this trade from the second it happened and I only see it aging like wine with time.

Having to attach a first to get off KCP's contract has been discussed but not enough is said about how undesirable Cole's contract is either for teams accross the league who desire to win and legitmatlely question whether or not he is a rotational player. At his price with today's CBA it really hurts you if that is a question.

Kcp is 32 and just had his worst season since his rookie year. The numbers and eye test say he's on a concerning decline so for me, a large part of this trade was always about consolidating two undesired assetts with expected to be mid to late 1st round picks (maybe the PHX pick hits) and turning them into an impactful valued asset and player in Bane.

I just think in some ways we became more flexible. Bane will continue to hold positive value accross this league for years to come.

[GelbeWand09]

Some buzz out there right now about Memphis and how they unsuccessfully attempted to shed Cole's salary last weekend.

Ive been as major of a critic of Weltmans as anyone throughout his time here but I loved this trade from the second it happened and I only see it aging like wine with time.

Having to attach a first to get off KCP's contract has been discussed but not enough is said about how undesirable Cole's contract is either for teams accross the league who desire to win and legitmatlely question whether or not he is a rotational player. At his price with today's CBA it really hurts you if that is a question.

Kcp is 32 and just had his worst season since his rookie year. The numbers and eye test say he's on a concerning decline so for me, a large part of this trade was always about consolidating two undesired assetts with expected to be mid to late 1st round picks (maybe the PHX pick hits) and turning them into an impactful valued asset and player in Bane.

I just think in some ways we became more flexible. Bane will continue to hold positive value accross this league for years to come.

You can see now how his archetype got no worth at all in the world of the new cba (Sexton, Mann, Simons..) and most of those guys are at least somehow good at scoring. Cole isnt even that.

[JoshuaPotter]

Some buzz out there right now about Memphis and how they unsuccessfully attempted to shed Cole's salary last weekend.

Ive been as major of a critic of Weltmans as anyone throughout his time here but I loved this trade from the second it happened and I only see it aging like wine with time.

Having to attach a first to get off KCP's contract has been discussed but not enough is said about how undesirable Cole's contract is either for teams accross the league who desire to win and legitmatlely question whether or not he is a rotational player. At his price with today's CBA it really hurts you if that is a question.

Kcp is 32 and just had his worst season since his rookie year. The numbers and eye test say he's on a concerning decline so for me, a large part of this trade was always about consolidating two undesired assetts with expected to be mid to late 1st round picks (maybe the PHX pick hits) and turning them into an impactful valued asset and player in Bane.

I just think in some ways we became more flexible. Bane will continue to hold positive value accross this league for years to come.

You can see now how his archetype got no worth at all in the world of the new cba (Sexton, Mann, Simons..) and most of those guys are at least somehow good at scoring. Cole isnt even that.

I think Cole is good at scoring but the team isn't built around him being successful. I totally think its possible he recoups the value on his contract and becomes a serviceable scoring option off the bench. The challenge is, wherever he goes has to accept that it is what he is. We want to be a defensive team with a grind it out style of offense. In fact, we are still on track to be one of the slowest offenses on paper.

In proper Rhythm or a tempo that fits his playstyle he will flourish a bit more. But he has to have his long leash. He is NOT a Corey Joseph archetype where he can be asked to shoot wide open 3s on limited volume but still make it at 36%+ a clip at just under 3 attempts is NOT Coles speed.

[zuppafly]

Bane is on long term contract and very, very good player, but price tag for a guy that isn't clear cut superstar is flat out I.N.S.A.I.N.

That is type of haul you are proposing to get prime Durant, Lebron, Giannis, not fringe all star player that really isn't fixing some issues you already have on roster.

From salary cap POV, Banchero + Suggs + Franz + Bane = $160M in 2026-27

I guess our C rotation will continue to be Goga, Carter and Isaac for rest of this decade


Magic now have, from 2025-2031 - two first round picks. Not very valuable 25th pick ( way too late) and 2027 first round pick.

Scary.

Bane helps shooting issues. Bane adds to our shooting.
But Bane isn't very durable player, isn't really young ( 27, pretty much in his prime) and isn't full time playmaker.


Tbh this feels like panic move made by person who is in fear for his job. Esencially, this is Ibaka trade, just in this case Ibaka has more years left on his deal.
But Hennigan didn't sold 6 round picks for Ibaka, just one.

This is exactly the type of Ibaka trade that will eventually lead to firing Wellman and Parker, after everyone in the team management understands they screwed us badly.

Bane is a good player, no question about it, but our issues are playmaking, ability to shoot out of the dribble (on paly creation) and a proper C.
This addresses none of them and the cap situation is now ridiculous.
We have 4 players with extremely high contracts and the rest will be scrubs.

What a panic trade this is... We got fleeced hard.

Going back through some of the initial Bane reactions and I can’t let this one stand. Two of those statements about not addressing our issues is just flat out wrong. He shoots extremely well off the dribble and though probably not completely does really help address playmaking issues.

I guess time will tell. As you can read on what I wrote, I don't question Bane as a being a really good player. Maybe a little notch below Franz on overall talent, if we'd have to rank them. (or maybe even on pair with Franz if I take my homer glasses off)

But if you think he's a guard who can solve the glaring issues we had last few years, and those are clear - nobody that can create for them and others from the guard position, while at the same time is able to be an outside threat that other teams respect - then no, I don't think we agree. He fits 50% of that (the ability to shoot is there, although off the dribble, when not at the top of the key is something I wanna see happening).
He's not the guard that you deliver the ball to on crunch time to create a play, and not to just run an iso. That has been a major issue for this team for years (decade?).

I will say that, with the Tyus signing, despite all the flaws on defense he brings, I do think the FO had the same perspective I did and by bringing him they made the Bane signing a lot better to my eyes. I wouldn't be surprised to see a small ball lineup of Tyus, Suggs, Bane, Franz and Paolo to close out games where we are trailing and want quick offense with multiple options for each play. With that I can definitely live well and not care about the picks we sent to Memphis.

[fendilim]

Kinda like how the 2027 pick isnt included in this deal.

The 2026 draft pick will definitely hurt us, but after seeing how players projected in the 20-30th pick passed up the draft for more NIL money, I think we could see the same next year. Making the 2027 draft enticing.

[jezzerinho]

Some buzz out there right now about Memphis and how they unsuccessfully attempted to shed Cole's salary last weekend.

Ive been as major of a critic of Weltmans as anyone throughout his time here but I loved this trade from the second it happened and I only see it aging like wine with time.

Having to attach a first to get off KCP's contract has been discussed but not enough is said about how undesirable Cole's contract is either for teams accross the league who desire to win and legitmatlely question whether or not he is a rotational player. At his price with today's CBA it really hurts you if that is a question.

Kcp is 32 and just had his worst season since his rookie year. The numbers and eye test say he's on a concerning decline so for me, a large part of this trade was always about consolidating two undesired assetts with expected to be mid to late 1st round picks (maybe the PHX pick hits) and turning them into an impactful valued asset and player in Bane.

I just think in some ways we became more flexible. Bane will continue to hold positive value accross this league for years to come.

Cole's undesirable contract.didnt fall out of the sky. It was agreed by the same guy you are now lauding for having to use draft capital to get out of the deal.

I know it's not my money and so I maybe shouldn't care so much, but Weltman has been hanging onto his draft failures for too long, hoping the stink washes off and people will forget. Bamba, Isaac, Cole, Okeke should all have gone sooner - before any got a second deal. Jett is in the same boat and we'll cross our fingers AB and TdS don't end up in there too. Jury out so far. Houstan at least is small money either way, but still prob not worth it. Fultz stuck around too long. Thankfully KCP didn't.

[JoshuaPotter]

This is exactly the type of Ibaka trade that will eventually lead to firing Wellman and Parker, after everyone in the team management understands they screwed us badly.

Bane is a good player, no question about it, but our issues are playmaking, ability to shoot out of the dribble (on paly creation) and a proper C.
This addresses none of them and the cap situation is now ridiculous.
We have 4 players with extremely high contracts and the rest will be scrubs.

What a panic trade this is... We got fleeced hard.

Going back through some of the initial Bane reactions and I can’t let this one stand. Two of those statements about not addressing our issues is just flat out wrong. He shoots extremely well off the dribble and though probably not completely does really help address playmaking issues.

I guess time will tell. As you can read on what I wrote, I don't question Bane as a being a really good player. Maybe a little notch below Franz on overall talent, if we'd have to rank them. (or maybe even on pair with Franz if I take my homer glasses off)

But if you think he's a guard who can solve the glaring issues we had last few years, and those are clear - nobody that can create for them and others from the guard position, while at the same time is able to be an outside threat that other teams respect - then no, I don't think we agree. He fits 50% of that (the ability to shoot is there, although off the dribble, when not at the top of the key is something I wanna see happening).
He's not the guard that you deliver the ball to on crunch time to create a play, and not to just run an iso. That has been a major issue for this team for years (decade?).

I will say that, with the Tyus signing, despite all the flaws on defense he brings, I do think the FO had the same perspective I did and by bringing him they made the Bane signing a lot better to my eyes. I wouldn't be surprised to see a small ball lineup of Tyus, Suggs, Bane, Franz and Paolo to close out games where we are trailing and want quick offense with multiple options for each play. With that I can definitely live well and not care about the picks we sent to Memphis.

We agree on being in cap hell. IMHO Suggs, Franz or Paolo might be gone by force at some point.

This is not me saying that I hate the trade. Far from it. Even if we do agree on the "C" rotation being poor. Unfortunately this is 4 moves that needed to happen gradually over multiple summers vs all at once.

The last question is, can P + J + B + S be a contender without a proper Center? Honestly having 2 stabs at Lively if I recall correctly look very very very very bad right now.

[dsg2021]

Desmond Bane even does warmup shots in Hard Mode already

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