Top 10 Worst Moves Post Dwight
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Oladipo and Sabonis for ibaka has to be there at the top. Ibaka did nothing and oladipo still had value and Sabonis has been pretty good in his career. If it wasn't for this trade some of the others on the list might not have ever happened. Huge mistake
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eyriq wrote:fendilim wrote:Aaron Gordon is so overrated. He is nothing but a glorified 3and d player since day 1. Just put into spotlight and popularity is because of allstar dunk contest, thats it.
We got what we deserved that time.
That’s a wild rewrite of history. Gordon was miscast as a go-to scorer in Orlando but still flashed elite defensive versatility, rebounding, and playmaking flashes. Since moving to Denver and being used properly, he’s been a key starter on a title team. If that’s just a “glorified 3&D,” then every contender could use one.
Indeed, he is the type of player that every contender can use. But he is simply that. It was clear from day 1 that he is simply a 3 and D player.
The problem is the team expected him to be more than that since the day we traded Tobias Harris to free up minutes for him.
And that’s why that’s all we got for him. We held on too long for Aaron Gordon. If we had traded him earlier, we could have gotten more.
Up to this day, he still can’t create his own shot. His percentage of pullups, catch and shoot and inside the paint have been almost the same percentage since he left. Except Gordon isn’t asked to create jumpers anymore. They have even effectively trimmed his pull up frequency and turned him to merely a catch and shoot and play finisher. Touch time and dribbles have been a lot less as well. He is perfect for his role in Denver. The problem was the Magic expected him to be more and we waited for darn long until it was clear that he is only that.

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fendilim wrote:eyriq wrote:fendilim wrote:Aaron Gordon is so overrated. He is nothing but a glorified 3and d player since day 1. Just put into spotlight and popularity is because of allstar dunk contest, thats it.
We got what we deserved that time.
That’s a wild rewrite of history. Gordon was miscast as a go-to scorer in Orlando but still flashed elite defensive versatility, rebounding, and playmaking flashes. Since moving to Denver and being used properly, he’s been a key starter on a title team. If that’s just a “glorified 3&D,” then every contender could use one.
Indeed, he is the type of player that every contender can use. But he is simply that. It was clear from day 1 that he is simply a 3 and D player.
The problem is the team expected him to be more than that since the day we traded Tobias Harris to free up minutes for him.
And that’s why that’s all we got for him. We held on too long for Aaron Gordon. If we had traded him earlier, we could have gotten more.
Up to this day, he still can’t create his own shot. His percentage of pullups, catch and shoot and inside the paint have been almost the same percentage since he left. Except Gordon isn’t asked to create jumpers anymore. They have even effectively trimmed his pull up frequency and turned him to merely a catch and shoot and play finisher. Touch time and dribbles have been a lot less as well. He is perfect for his role in Denver. The problem was the Magic expected him to be more and we waited for darn long until it was clear that he is only that.
I think the Magic were hoping for AG to become more, but I think that’s also because they failed to ever acquire anyone significantly better than him to force him into the role he’s now successful in. Put him next to Jokic and AG is freed to be the team’s best defender and off-ball forward. He was Denver’s 3rd best player on a championship team, so it’s proven he can be a key contributor to a championship team. Vuc wasn’t Jokic. Fournier wasn’t Murray. And Payton, Hezonja, Bamba, Fultz, etc didn’t even reach MPJ or even Braun levels.
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Ibaka for Oladipo and pick gets overrated in terms of "worst deals".
Ibaka was viewed as MUCH better player and established all- nba-defender type guy.
Oladipo got benched pretty much every season for one reason of another and asked for max contract that he simply had no business asking for.
Nobody in right mind would give 14 ppg, 52% TS guard , who shot like 32% for 3 - max deal or anything close (or alleged + $20M a year at times).
So both guys were expiring deals. Ibaka was just better player in that moment. Magic had to pay with pick.
Presti simply was good enough at his job to see value in Sabonis, odds are, Magic would pass on Sabonis anyway.
It was very bad trade in roster construction sense, but keeping Oladipo was also going to be one. Paying Biyombo $17M a year was dagger in terms of killing that Hennigan.
In reality, Oladipo only had 1 and half good seasons in his entire career.
Ibaka was viewed as MUCH better player and established all- nba-defender type guy.
Oladipo got benched pretty much every season for one reason of another and asked for max contract that he simply had no business asking for.
Nobody in right mind would give 14 ppg, 52% TS guard , who shot like 32% for 3 - max deal or anything close (or alleged + $20M a year at times).
So both guys were expiring deals. Ibaka was just better player in that moment. Magic had to pay with pick.
Presti simply was good enough at his job to see value in Sabonis, odds are, Magic would pass on Sabonis anyway.
It was very bad trade in roster construction sense, but keeping Oladipo was also going to be one. Paying Biyombo $17M a year was dagger in terms of killing that Hennigan.
In reality, Oladipo only had 1 and half good seasons in his entire career.
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eyriq wrote:CarraT wrote:eyriq wrote:
Not making panic trades is why the team finally has a core. Trading just to trade is how we got the Ibaka mess in the first place.
So there is either „panic trades“ or not doing any trades in 8 years that you’re not forced to by your own players. Nothing inbetween?
That’s just not true. We’ve made trades the last eight years. Vuc for Wendell and Franz, AG for a first and Gary Harris, Fultz for a late first, Bol came in a deal too. The front office hasn’t been inactive, they’ve just made smarter moves instead of repeating the kind of mistakes that set us back in the first place.
Vuc and Gordon should’ve been traded way earlier. Let’s be real – they didn’t get moved because the front office had some bold rebuild vision. They were moved because they forced their way out. Blowing up that team wasn’t the FO’s decision – it was the players’.
The Fultz trade? At the time, totally worth the risk. But keeping him for five years turned into a disaster. He never developed into a reliable shooter, and having a non-shooting PG completely clogged the paint – making life for Banchero and Wagner, two guys who rely heavily on driving, a nightmare. We invested half a decade into one of the league’s most important positions in a player no team even wants now – not even on a minimum deal.
Again: the trade wasn’t the bad move. But sticking with him for so long? Easily one of the worst roster decisions in the entire league in recent years.
And Bol Bol? Seriously? Your argument that the FO “wasn’t inactive” is that we traded a second-round pick for Bol Bol? That’s not roster building – that’s penny stock trading.
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Thing about Gordon trade- they got literally nothing for him.
Got corpses of Gary Harris and 25th pick that was bum as they gave up on him midway through second year.
Playing him in wrong fashion for half of a decade is story for another day.
Got corpses of Gary Harris and 25th pick that was bum as they gave up on him midway through second year.
Playing him in wrong fashion for half of a decade is story for another day.
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