What could Paolo bring back in a trade?

[Skybox]

Shut this thread down, please.

I don't understand why it's so hard to skip...when there are so many threads overlapping

[ibraheim718]

He has his warts but he's not being used properly.

[tiderulz]

We’re not doing this.
This is Paolo and Franz team and they have to take ownership to get better. Both need to learn to play out of their minds. It is not fair for us to give Paolo a way out when the team is built around him and Franz.

people seem to forget playoff Paolo. its on the coaching staff to get that in the regular season too.

Playoff Paolo? I wrote that already after the playoffs. Are people really believing what Paolo did in the playoffs is winning basketball? Relying on middies & fadaways? Are we really expecting those to go in in more than 1 round in the playoffs until the law of average starts to set in?
Those are terrible shots. He just hit a few more of those than usual and was still way under leaque average in efficiency. If your 1st option is reliant on those kind of shots good luck for playoff success.
The worst thing is even when he plays good, the chance the rest of the team does not is high because of his playstyle. He makes players around him worse not better on offense.

23-24 playoffs, 27 ppg, 9 rg, 4 apg, 40% from 3
24-25 playoffs, 29+ppg, 8 rpg, 4+ apg, 43% from 3.

he has shown in 2 years that he can be very effective and efficient. I say again, he has talent and skills, its on the coaches to get that out onto the floor.

[zaymon]

people seem to forget playoff Paolo. its on the coaching staff to get that in the regular season too.

Playoff Paolo? I wrote that already after the playoffs. Are people really believing what Paolo did in the playoffs is winning basketball? Relying on middies & fadaways? Are we really expecting those to go in in more than 1 round in the playoffs until the law of average starts to set in?
Those are terrible shots. He just hit a few more of those than usual and was still way under leaque average in efficiency. If your 1st option is reliant on those kind of shots good luck for playoff success.
The worst thing is even when he plays good, the chance the rest of the team does not is high because of his playstyle. He makes players around him worse not better on offense.

23-24 playoffs, 27 ppg, 9 rg, 4 apg, 40% from 3
24-25 playoffs, 29+ppg, 8 rpg, 4+ apg, 43% from 3.

he has shown in 2 years that he can be very effective and efficient. I say again, he has talent and skills, its on the coaches to get that out onto the floor.

Can you add his true shooting and our offensive rating with him at the helm ? Thanks in advance !

[three3d]

Lots of great creative responses

Does anyone here really think ANY of these threads matter?

We're just f**king around. Geez

Sky what about Portland? Portland has some young talent to send over with Advija that might actually be a better fit for us next to Franz. Advija could play SF and move Franz over to PF, there are some really intriguing names to add in there with Advija.

It makes sense also kinda if we are/would move Paolo. Portland is really close to where he’s from so it’s kinda like he’d be back home and he can be the face of the Trail Blazers

Portland was my first (imaginary) stop...Scoot and Clingan? Would have to add salary, maybe Grant and we throw back a center other than Moe.

I like the Pacific Northwest idea...also, I'm not even considering something in the East. I do NOT want to see him too often in another jersey.

Checking out Portlands future draft capital and they have none besides Memphis’s 2028 first round pick. Throwing all our 1st round picks into the Bane deal is going to be a tough pill to swallow.

[IllMagic04]

I’d trade Franz before trading Paolo.


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[D J C]

Booker+M Williams

Suggs - Booker - Franz - De Silva - Williams
Tyus/Jase - Bane - Penda/Isaac - Moe/Goga/WCJ

[dsg2021]

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[tmorgan]

Outside perspective:

You can’t even consider anything until you actually have a playmaking PG. You have four really good players and some additional talent as well, but the whole thing looks discombobulated because no one runs the show consistently. Even last year, when you had a ton of injuries and the defense was still excellent, the offense was bad unless someone was really cooking.

Just because Franz and PB are skilled enough to cover some ball handling and playmaking doesn’t mean you don’t need a PG. Suggs can be a monster and can even shoot a bit, but he’s not making advanced reads for an effective offense. Bane is similar. You’re running two 2’s, two playmaking 4’a, and some goofballs at center. It’s not working and it never has, offensively.

At one point, I thought Black might be the answer, but you guys see him more than I do, and I guess not.

[zaymon]

Outside perspective:

You can’t even consider anything until you actually have a playmaking PG. You have four really good players and some additional talent as well, but the whole thing looks discombobulated because no one runs the show consistently. Even last year, when you had a ton of injuries and the defense was still excellent, the offense was bad unless someone was really cooking.

Just because Franz and PB are skilled enough to cover some ball handling and playmaking doesn’t mean you don’t need a PG. Suggs can be a monster and can even shoot a bit, but he’s not making advanced reads for an effective offense. Bane is similar. You’re running two 2’s, two playmaking 4’a, and some goofballs at center. It’s not working and it never has, offensively.

At one point, I thought Black might be the answer, but you guys seem him more than I do, and I guess not.

You are 100% right but it doesnt make it easier to solve.
We dont have our picks. Nobody wants to hear about trading one of Franz/Paolo and Suggs/Bane.
We will propably sink trying to force one of them into running offense. Than we will change coach and try same thing. Maybe then we will be desperate enough to make a tough trade.
Miracles like Jase Richardson becoming starter PG rarely happen.

[RookieStar]

Lauri + Kessler + 4 FRP

For Paolo + WCJ

[Skybox]

Lauri + Kessler + 4 FRP

For Paolo + WCJ

I don't know if you'd get 4 picks from Trader Danny but this is certainly an interesting direction. Would a Kessler, Lauri, Franz frontcourt be balanced? Offensively, that looks really good and I'd guarantee Franz would rack up 10 assist games often with Lauri being such a good cutter, Finnisher, and shooter...they'd be poetry together. Kessler is among the best rim protectors in the league AND an elite offensive rebounder - that would certainly change up our look offensively. Lauri could match (or exceed) Paolo's offensive numbers but is Lauri a regular season star who gets mauled by a well-prepared defensive scheme in a playoff series? Kessler is a beast around the rim but can he switch enough and is that super-critical or something you scheme around because he's such an eraser at the rim?

Paolo > Lauri but is Paolo & Franz > Lauri & Franz?

Kessler is definitely > WCJ but needs a new deal, how much should (could) we reasonably pay?

This is definitely a good one to debate....of course, it also addresses the "I don't want to run into PB too often" thing as well

[tiderulz]

Lauri + Kessler + 4 FRP

For Paolo + WCJ

I don't know if you'd get 4 picks from Trader Danny but this is certainly an interesting direction. Would a Kessler, Lauri, Franz frontcourt be balanced? Offensively, that looks really good and I'd guarantee Franz would rack up 10 assist games often with Lauri being such a good cutter, Finnisher, and shooter...they'd be poetry together. Kessler is among the best rim protectors in the league AND an elite offensive rebounder - that would certainly change up our look offensively. Lauri could match (or exceed) Paolo's offensive numbers but is Lauri a regular season star who gets mauled by a well-prepared defensive scheme in a playoff series? Kessler is a beast around the rim but can he switch enough and is that super-critical or something you scheme around because he's such an eraser at the rim?

Paolo > Lauri but is Paolo & Franz > Lauri & Franz?

Kessler is definitely > WCJ but needs a new deal, how much should (could) we reasonably pay?

This is definitely a good one to debate....of course, it also addresses the "I don't want to run into PB too often" thing as well

Kessler trying to showing 3 pt range now, he is going to want a lot of money

[MasterGMer]

Lauri + Kessler + 4 FRP

For Paolo + WCJ

I don't know if you'd get 4 picks from Trader Danny but this is certainly an interesting direction. Would a Kessler, Lauri, Franz frontcourt be balanced? Offensively, that looks really good and I'd guarantee Franz would rack up 10 assist games often with Lauri being such a good cutter, Finnisher, and shooter...they'd be poetry together. Kessler is among the best rim protectors in the league AND an elite offensive rebounder - that would certainly change up our look offensively. Lauri could match (or exceed) Paolo's offensive numbers but is Lauri a regular season star who gets mauled by a well-prepared defensive scheme in a playoff series? Kessler is a beast around the rim but can he switch enough and is that super-critical or something you scheme around because he's such an eraser at the rim?

Paolo > Lauri but is Paolo & Franz > Lauri & Franz?

Kessler is definitely > WCJ but needs a new deal, how much should (could) we reasonably pay?

This is definitely a good one to debate....of course, it also addresses the "I don't want to run into PB too often" thing as well

Kessler trying to showing 3 pt range now, he is going to want a lot of money

Is Utah going to keep Kessler? Why the Utah front office doesn't like Kessler enough? Is it because of his foot speed? Or else?

[Skybox]

I don't know if you'd get 4 picks from Trader Danny but this is certainly an interesting direction. Would a Kessler, Lauri, Franz frontcourt be balanced? Offensively, that looks really good and I'd guarantee Franz would rack up 10 assist games often with Lauri being such a good cutter, Finnisher, and shooter...they'd be poetry together. Kessler is among the best rim protectors in the league AND an elite offensive rebounder - that would certainly change up our look offensively. Lauri could match (or exceed) Paolo's offensive numbers but is Lauri a regular season star who gets mauled by a well-prepared defensive scheme in a playoff series? Kessler is a beast around the rim but can he switch enough and is that super-critical or something you scheme around because he's such an eraser at the rim?

Paolo > Lauri but is Paolo & Franz > Lauri & Franz?

Kessler is definitely > WCJ but needs a new deal, how much should (could) we reasonably pay?

This is definitely a good one to debate....of course, it also addresses the "I don't want to run into PB too often" thing as well

Kessler trying to showing 3 pt range now, he is going to want a lot of money

Is Utah going to keep Kessler? Why the Utah front office doesn't like Kessler enough? Is it because of his foot speed? Or else?

People are always discussing Kessler trades...might just be fans assuming UTA is a carcass to be picked at. I also think Danny might just keep shuffling pieces, getting high picks and re-shuffling until he finds HIS superstar to build around. Lauri is very good, Kessler is very good...but having the supporting cast before you have the centerpiece might limit the dramatic boost to the rebuild. Perhaps he'd see Paolo as the engine to build around. Like hanging on to decent players will get you a decent record...which is the enemy of a rebuild aiming at contention...Just guessing.

[eyriq]

Outside perspective:

You can’t even consider anything until you actually have a playmaking PG. You have four really good players and some additional talent as well, but the whole thing looks discombobulated because no one runs the show consistently. Even last year, when you had a ton of injuries and the defense was still excellent, the offense was bad unless someone was really cooking.

Just because Franz and PB are skilled enough to cover some ball handling and playmaking doesn’t mean you don’t need a PG. Suggs can be a monster and can even shoot a bit, but he’s not making advanced reads for an effective offense. Bane is similar. You’re running two 2’s, two playmaking 4’a, and some goofballs at center. It’s not working and it never has, offensively.

At one point, I thought Black might be the answer, but you guys seem him more than I do, and I guess not.

AB is the answer. He's on the typical defense first point guard arch. Improve shooting -> improve handle -> improve processing.

Next season the assists will pop.

[JoshuaPotter]

Outside perspective:

You can’t even consider anything until you actually have a playmaking PG. You have four really good players and some additional talent as well, but the whole thing looks discombobulated because no one runs the show consistently. Even last year, when you had a ton of injuries and the defense was still excellent, the offense was bad unless someone was really cooking.

Just because Franz and PB are skilled enough to cover some ball handling and playmaking doesn’t mean you don’t need a PG. Suggs can be a monster and can even shoot a bit, but he’s not making advanced reads for an effective offense. Bane is similar. You’re running two 2’s, two playmaking 4’a, and some goofballs at center. It’s not working and it never has, offensively.

At one point, I thought Black might be the answer, but you guys seem him more than I do, and I guess not.

AB is the answer. He's on the typical defense first point guard arch. Improve shooting -> improve handle -> improve processing.

Next season the assists will pop.

Yesterday was the first game I got visions that Black isn't an actual NBA point guard. But a true shooting guard. This shouldn't be seen as a dis. The question becomes, can he do something similar from here, and then start distributing on the second unit?

Paolo and AB need to both show that they are distributors. Right now, Paolo seems to have the better skill to get others involved and it isn't even close.

[ORLMagicGirl15]

Outside perspective:

You can’t even consider anything until you actually have a playmaking PG. You have four really good players and some additional talent as well, but the whole thing looks discombobulated because no one runs the show consistently. Even last year, when you had a ton of injuries and the defense was still excellent, the offense was bad unless someone was really cooking.

Just because Franz and PB are skilled enough to cover some ball handling and playmaking doesn’t mean you don’t need a PG. Suggs can be a monster and can even shoot a bit, but he’s not making advanced reads for an effective offense. Bane is similar. You’re running two 2’s, two playmaking 4’a, and some goofballs at center. It’s not working and it never has, offensively.

At one point, I thought Black might be the answer, but you guys seem him more than I do, and I guess not.

You have to convince Paolo and Franz to give up the ball for an actual point guard to take over.

[Skybox]

Outside perspective:

You can’t even consider anything until you actually have a playmaking PG. You have four really good players and some additional talent as well, but the whole thing looks discombobulated because no one runs the show consistently. Even last year, when you had a ton of injuries and the defense was still excellent, the offense was bad unless someone was really cooking.

Just because Franz and PB are skilled enough to cover some ball handling and playmaking doesn’t mean you don’t need a PG. Suggs can be a monster and can even shoot a bit, but he’s not making advanced reads for an effective offense. Bane is similar. You’re running two 2’s, two playmaking 4’a, and some goofballs at center. It’s not working and it never has, offensively.

At one point, I thought Black might be the answer, but you guys seem him more than I do, and I guess not.

You have to convince Paolo and Franz to give up the ball for an actual point guard to take over.

Or…realize they are both marginalized as is…hence this totally hypothetical thread. I’m hoping they (coaching staff & players) work it out, but…if they hit a wall…

[basketballRob]

Outside perspective:

You can’t even consider anything until you actually have a playmaking PG. You have four really good players and some additional talent as well, but the whole thing looks discombobulated because no one runs the show consistently. Even last year, when you had a ton of injuries and the defense was still excellent, the offense was bad unless someone was really cooking.

Just because Franz and PB are skilled enough to cover some ball handling and playmaking doesn’t mean you don’t need a PG. Suggs can be a monster and can even shoot a bit, but he’s not making advanced reads for an effective offense. Bane is similar. You’re running two 2’s, two playmaking 4’a, and some goofballs at center. It’s not working and it never has, offensively.

At one point, I thought Black might be the answer, but you guys seem him more than I do, and I guess not.

I think they will figure things out after the season goes on.

Here's one of the early Heatles games before they figured things out.

Box score for the Indiana Pacers vs. Miami Heat NBA game from November 22, 2010 on ESPN. Includes all points, rebounds and steals stats. https://www.espn.com/nba/boxscore/_/gameId/301122014
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This is what they looked like against Indiana later in the season.

Box score for the Miami Heat vs. Indiana Pacers NBA game from February 15, 2011 on ESPN. Includes all points, rebounds and steals stats. https://www.espn.com/nba/boxscore/_/gameId/310215011
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