Bogans needs to go

[cedric76]

bogans is a great back up SG

[EasternMagic]

I'm sorry, but i can't handle seeing him continuously shoot horrible percentages.

his defense is ok, but just ok. i don't want him off the team (despite the title of the thread), but his minutes need to start going to JJ. it's ridiculous.

our team is notorious for starting cold and going cold. we should at least try JJ.

however, this isn't a JJ thread, this is just a frustration at Bogans complete lack of offense since his hot start. i don't think his defensive game is enough to make up for the loss on the offensive end. he doesn't command respect from defenders because he's not consistent, which just makes it harder for Lewis, Hedo and Dwight.

what is he doing that's impressing SVG so much?

meanwhile, i'm glad we've got Mo Eva out there doing his thing. had we made it this far into the season without him we'd be in some pretty big trouble and i could still see JJ getting neglected.

so does your avatar

[MagicalMan]

you guys really need to relax on our players. If a player is off for any amount of time we immediately want that person traded when the truth is we dont need to move anyone this season. yeah we all have our arguments about the oint guard position but besides that we are fine. Bogans hits big shots when we need them, and its not like they were bad looks some of them he was wide open for he just didnt knock them down. His missed shots didnt kill us.

The problem is that we have holes on the roster with no cap space other than the MLE to fill them. However we do have quite a few expiring contracts this year which would allow us to fill some of those holes. While I agree a lot of posters have the mentality of "what have you done for me lately," and are quick to criticize anyone, we have a good opportunity to solidify the team for now and the future by plugging the holes with those expiring deals. So my guess is posters are frustrated that are weaknesses aren't being addressed when we have the opportunity to address them. Hence the frustration with Otis and his repeatedly saying "I like this team."

[OrlandoMagic]

trade dooling end of thread!

[Bensational]

Bogans played very well for us last night, sure he missed all 5 of his shots, but he had a good "not on the box score" games...he had great position on nearly every possession last night on defense and he forced a lot of bad NJ shots which is excellent considering he was guarding VC/Wright/Kidd on the switch...he created good swing on offense and allowed for others to setup...he just had an off night shooting, when most of the time he nails a few big shots for us...the guy doesnt get enough love...

i'd put my shooting faith in JJ over Bogans. Bogans has been predominantly cold since the start of the season.

sure his defense is good, but that can come and go too. right now we've got Mo Eva doing the same thing but better. Dooling offers even better D, more energy and the versatility to try to play 2 poisitons. we can afford to move Bogans out in a package for something else (PF, PG).

[Bensational]

so does your avatar

i don't get what you're trying to say.

wait, why are you even here?? aren't you a Celtics fan????

[sportsrock37]

Bogans is a very good rebounder and normally doesn't really hurt us on offense, while playing pretty good defense. I must be dumb or something, because when I watch, we normally have no problems scoring and a ton of problems on defense. I just don't understand why we would sacrifice defense even more for more offense. If it was last year and we needed offense I would be all for JJ playing, but this year we don't need anymore offense at all.

[richboy]

Bogans is the ultimate "I can make 3 pointers but teams still don't respect me player". Some players it doesn't matter how many shots there making teams still leave them wide open. The one thing I can say about JJ is teams fear his ability behind the arch but KB is left open for a reason.

[Bensational]

Bogans is the ultimate "I can make 3 pointers but teams still don't respect me player". Some players it doesn't matter how many shots there making teams still leave them wide open. The one thing I can say about JJ is teams fear his ability behind the arch but KB is left open for a reason.

yeah. he's left alone because he goes 0-5 often enough. that's not ultimate at all. that's called inconsistent. that's why teams don't respect him and can double up on Lewis, Dwight or Hedo and make our offence harder.

Bogans is a very good rebounder and normally doesn't really hurt us on offense, while playing pretty good defense. I must be dumb or something, because when I watch, we normally have no problems scoring and a ton of problems on defense. I just don't understand why we would sacrifice defense even more for more offense. If it was last year and we needed offense I would be all for JJ playing, but this year we don't need anymore offense at all.

you're right. we definitely do need work on defense. and for that reason i like having Bogans around. and when our offense is going all guns blazing, then he's a good fit for the team.

my argument is about when he's shooting a terrible % and the rest of our offense can't get going because they can't get open shots, or can't get the spark needed to ignite a run. that's when Bogan's has no place being out there. JJ should be out there for 5-8 minutes to knock down a few shots, change the momentum of the game, get the others back in the flow of the game - THEN bring Bogans back in if he's needed.

Bogans' rebounding and 3pt shooting were big at the start of this season, but they've really dwindled since then. that's why he's on the bench. and his defense isn't as hot as people would like to make it out to be, otherwise there wouldn't be so many career highs against our team.

[theTHIEF]

ben, ben, ben...haha...you are really ate up over Bogans...he does what he can...and he's only been scoreless in 2 games this season, those being the last two...so he doesn't got 0-5 very often...he has had some bad nights shooting...but if you check the logs, the points he did score were critical in more cases than not...

he's not a great player by any means...but we have him now, and he fits his role fairly well...as long as he's rebounding and keeping with his man he's doing fine...like i said last week...i bet teams we have beat with him shooting big 3's dont feel the same way...they probably say the same thing we do "man every scrub in the NBA can drill huge shots against us"

[Bensational]

ben, ben, ben...haha...you are really ate up over Bogans...he does what he can...and he's only been scoreless in 2 games this season, those being the last two...so he doesn't got 0-5 very often...he has had some bad nights shooting...but if you check the logs, the points he did score were critical in more cases than not...

yeah..... you got me

i actually don't mind Bogans. it's a bit of a mix of wanting to see JJ get time despite 'reportedly' training hard and working hard, and seeing Bogans be given a free pass after games like the last few. if JJ weren't on the bench i wouldn't really care either way. i'd still be screaming for an upgrade at the position though!

in all honesty though, his performances have waned. he's probably still more deserving of minutes than JJ, but SVG could be a little more consistent with reward and punishment - as he's done with the PG's.

[richboy]

Well in the end it pretty simple. The Magic's offense ranks as one of the better ones in the NBA. If your SVG and your not loosing games because your offense then why play JJ over Bogans.

[Nemesis21]

I wouldn't be mad if we dealt Munns and Munns, if we could pull off this trade with Sea would be great.:

Orlando sends:
Bogans(slightly better than avg defensive sg, can shoot the 3, expiring)

Garrity(expiring, can help spread the floor with 3pt shooting) and

Augustine( young pf with some potential, expiring)

Sea sends:
Chris Wilcox


Nelson/Arroyo/Dooling
Mo/Dooling/JJ
Hedo/Cook/Mo
Lewis/Wilcox/Cook
Dwight/Foyle/Gortat

[sportsrock37]

Bogans played pretty damn good defense on Kobe at the end and hit bigger shots then JJ tonight. I love how everyone is complaining about Bogans' 3 pt percentage(which after tonight is 36.1%), JJ is shooting 34.8%. I know Bogans' is way more shots and he gets way more consistent PT, but it's not like he's a slouch shooting the ball. I know JJ is a much better pure shooter than Bogans, but the difference in shooting is far less then the difference in defense/rebounding, IMO.

[drsd]

For a good playoff run, Chris Wilcox would be a nice asset. For Bogans and change, that would be an upgrade for the Magic.

[Typhoon20]

Bogans played some killer D last night on Kobe.

He's a very valuable player.

[DiplomaticMagic]

Bogans Munns and Munns is an ok player. He was drafted in the 2nd round and that was a steal. I would be open to trading him. I really liked him in the beggining of the season. But he always seems to have a hot streak than cool off for few games.