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Post#21 » by UKMagic » Thu Feb 14, 2008 10:22 pm

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Not only did Memphis not talk to any team but LA about Gasol, but we do not have the young player like Crittenton to put in a Gasol trade, so what exactly is this Gasol deal we could have made, because people keep saying it but I don't see it.


I don't buy that Crittenton swung this deal. Memphis wanted to get under the cap and we have the contracts to do that. I agree we lost our potential young gun for this trade when we let Ariza go, but I think we coulda competed with our expirings and maybe the rights to Fran/future picks.

So to sum it up, I don't think Crittenton was that important and I think we could have competed here. My comment about lack of ambition simply stems from the proof Jason Kidd gave out the other week....people want to play with Dwight Howard, just like they want to play with other superstars in this league...if we had the ambition I think we could swing a deal like this. We're great at attracting free agents....Rashard was not an awful signing and Otis deserves credit for that....but we've been involved in some **** trades and missed out on some great ones historically. The Gasol one is a missed opportunity IMO...and at least I would hope Otis is exploring these options...we'll see....
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Post#22 » by mhectorgato » Thu Feb 14, 2008 10:26 pm

I think that Evans and Cook have made a nice positive impact on the team.
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Post#23 » by Cammo101 » Thu Feb 14, 2008 11:54 pm

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I don't buy that Crittenton swung this deal. Memphis wanted to get under the cap and we have the contracts to do that. I agree we lost our potential young gun for this trade when we let Ariza go, but I think we coulda competed with our expirings and maybe the rights to Fran/future picks.

So to sum it up, I don't think Crittenton was that important and I think we could have competed here. My comment about lack of ambition simply stems from the proof Jason Kidd gave out the other week....people want to play with Dwight Howard, just like they want to play with other superstars in this league...if we had the ambition I think we could swing a deal like this. We're great at attracting free agents....Rashard was not an awful signing and Otis deserves credit for that....but we've been involved in some **** trades and missed out on some great ones historically. The Gasol one is a missed opportunity IMO...and at least I would hope Otis is exploring these options...we'll see....


We have the expirings, we have roughly the same 1st round picks, and we don't have a good young player to trade like Crittenton. So what would they do our deal for when they could do LA's? To be nice?
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Post#24 » by lovehoops01 » Fri Feb 15, 2008 7:08 am

I think you're looking at the wrong components in the deal.

Look at who at the top -- the team executives -- who were making the deals involved here.

1). In the Celtics' dealings, they dealt mainly with a former Celtics star -- Timberwolves GM Kevin McHale -- who played on the same team as the Celtics' current GM. Loyalty to the Celtics kicked in for McHale -- plus he did get an outstanding young big in that deal. Want to trade Dwight to make a blockbuster? Of course, not but that would help you get a blockbuster done. (I know, I know, Al Jefferson isn't as good as Dwight, but he also wasn't the Celtics' best player.)

2). In the Grizzlies-Lakers trade, the former GM of the Lakers is a close friend, adviser and also a former GM of the Grizzlies. The Grizzlies didn't talk to anyone else in this deal. Jerry West ensured that deal got done, plain and simple -- no matter how much the Lakers, Grizzlies, Jerry West, and everyone in the NBA front office wants you to believe it. And besides, the Lakers aren't near the end of their run...Kobe will be 30 soon. But he also has won three championships in the past so he knows what it takes to get his teammates there. Plus, their coach has 9 championship rings. They are much closer than the Magic.

3). Kidd said he wanted to go to the Mavs, Cavs or Lakers. He can veto any trade. L.A. gave up their available point guard in the Grizzlies deal. Nets don't want to trade in conference to the Cavs (or the Magic, for that matter, if they had the players to make the deal). And still, the unforgettable Devean George could veto this trade (unbelievable -- how much will he be hated if he stays there and how likely is he to ever get another contract after this season)? Not to mention the fact that the Nets' Rod Thorn is a former NBA executive (league, not team), not just any old GM, so he has some connections to get stuff done.

All of those circumstances are special ones.

Besides, these deals don't always work out. I really don't think the Magic-Grizzlies deal involving Gooden and Giricek worked out all that great, and that was the best midseason deal they ever made. The season after that deal, the Magic went 21-61, Gooden and Giricek were gone in less than two years, and the trade made T-Mac want to leave.

Plus, for all the splash these deals with the Western teams are causing, only one of those teams is going to make the Finals. And there is the possibility that they could lose in the Finals. So, considering the gamble that Phoenix and Dallas is taking, it could backfire on them. The Lakers deal was an absolute gift so they cannot lose.
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Post#25 » by UKMagic » Fri Feb 15, 2008 5:23 pm

Cammo101 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-



We have the expirings, we have roughly the same 1st round picks, and we don't have a good young player to trade like Crittenton. So what would they do our deal for when they could do LA's? To be nice?


Crittenton is nothing special imo.....so why wouldn't they? Why keep Gasol in conference?
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Post#26 » by damo[23] » Fri Feb 15, 2008 5:49 pm

Wow the trade deadline must be soon if we see thread like

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