So SVG is just gonna rip Dwight everytime Orlando loses now?

[magicfan4life05]

wow it is getting heated today...

[EasternMagic]

So is foos gonna make another "I hate Stan thread" everytime the Magic lose?

hahahahahahaha this guy is clueless. fire stan? ya okay

[craig01]

But when does the public criticism turn into the proverbial "broken record"?

[Happyfoosball]

But when does the public criticism turn into the proverbial "broken record"?

Apparently never, according to the posters here i'm (Please Use More Appropriate Word) for even speaking up about it. I always thought that it's bad for coaches to rip their players to the press, especially their franchise players but apparently it's okay for Van Gundy to do it because he's oh so awesome.

[MagicFan3]

It's one thing to rip a player for no reason, but that isn't what happened here. Dwight let Bosh score 40 on him. If SVG weren't pissed off about that, I would absolutely want him fired.

Admittedly it might be a bad decision to constantly rip on him in the media, but maybe if Dwight would just play better in the first place, there would be no issue.

[FFBlitzace]

Stars shouldn't get a free pass just because they're stars. Unfortunately, that's how it is these days. I agree with Stan 100%, but sadly, he may have to stop because that's just the culture of basketball now. You can't say sh** anymore.

[Magicmehdi]

I blamed Dwight for his lack of effort when Stan called him out but i won't blame him if he can't handle all the PF/C he will face in the playoffs.

Superman was for the Dunk contest but he can't be the same during the playoffs.

I wonder how he feels right now....

[Happyfoosball]

Stars shouldn't get a free pass just because they're stars. Unfortunately, that's how it is these days. I agree with Stan 100%, but sadly, he may have to stop because that's just the culture of basketball now. You can't say sh** anymore.

People are assuming too much. I don't give a crap if Gundy coaches him. But do it behind closed doors, not to the press.

[lovehoops01]

I think this is gonna be a problem. It's OK to do it occasionally -- and, for instance, I could see after that Cleveland game because basically there was a lack of effort that night. But you can't do it every time they lose, and that's what Van Gundy has been doing for the past couple weeks. It's not like it's the first time Dwight has had trouble guarding Bosh. He torches the Magic every time they play. Whether or not the Magic win depends on the rest of the Raptors cast.

Dwight had 37 and 15. He was doing something against Toronto. Take SVG's side if you want, but he's not gonna win many games if Dwight is playing in another city. You can bet....Broussard didn't make that up. Someone was sending Van Gundy a warning. The last guy that was reported doing this every night was Sam Mitchell, and everyone said he was crazy. Toronto had to go out and get all international players that they acquired in trades. You got to think about free agency, too.

Sentinel story today said the players getting ripped all were biting their tongues hard so that tells you that they were pissed, too.

[MagicStarwipe]

So Dwight couldn't gaurd Bosh? Ok, but who the hell could when he was playing like he was last night? Why didn't you double team him then Stan?

Dwight wasn't awfull on defense. He wasn't really involved all that much because the Raps were just knocking down jumpshots.

And how come every time Rashard plays like **** Stan says "It's my fault"?

[MagicFan3]

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People are assuming too much. I don't give a crap if Gundy coaches him. But do it behind closed doors, not to the press.

Obviously what he's doing behind closed doors isn't getting Dwight to care enough. Maybe if he embarrasses him publicly, Dwight will respond.

[lovehoops01]

Go ahead and show me an example where that has worked in the NBA when it happens time after time.

And by the way, I'm not saying he should be fired at this point. What I am saying is he needs to show a little self-restraint. If he is too mad to control himself immediately after games, he should wait a little to talk about the game.

[MagicFan3]

Go ahead and show me an example where that has worked in the NBA when it happens time after time.

It doesn't, which is why there is going to be a problem. The point is that he should never HAVE to do it multiple times. Dwight has got to learn to step up, and for more than just one game.

[lovehoops01]

So then your answer is he is perfect for 82-plus games every season or the Magic trade him, right? Because that's really the only options you are offering.

[MagicFan3]

So then your answer is he is perfect for 82-plus games every season or the Magic trade him, right? Because that's really the only options you are offering.

Of course not. Everyone has bad games, and that part is excusable. When you're having a game where you're just phoning it in compared to your usual efforts, then that is not excusable.

[lovehoops01]

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Of course not. Everyone has bad games, and that part is excusable. When you're having a game where you're just phoning it in compared to your usual efforts, then that is not excusable.

As I said, I understood the Cleveland game.

Last night, he had 37 and 15 -- 10 OFFENSIVE rebounds. He did not mail it in. As far as the defense goes, he has trouble guarding Chris Bosh. He has trouble guarding shooting big men -- and always has. Maybe he needs more coaching up on that. To me, the power forward should have been guarding Toronto's power forward. Van Gundy wanted to put his center on him because he thought he was the better defender. Sometimes, those kind of matchups might not always work out.

[UCFJayBird]

Ok I agree that his chiding of him this time is unnecessary but at the same time I don't think Dwight is going to leave the Magic because of SVG like Broussard was insinuating. It'd be the other way around, Dwight would go to Otis and say "either he goes or I go" and SVG would be fired as fast as Otis could dial his number.

While I agree SVG should keep it in house MOST of the time, I believe if Dwight doesn't respond to his criticisms in house then he should bring it outside. Now obviously after this game he should not have called out Dwight. It was not his fault. It just happens sometimes where a player goes insane and can't miss. I mean the guy was draining 3s! Dwight can't defend that.

SVG is obviously very frustrated with this team's defense. It's basically all they practice, and it still shows results only every other night or so. So he looks to Dwight to set the tone and when Dwight doesn't, he gets even more frustrated.

I think we need to realize, and I hope Dwight realizes it to, that as this team's leader he is held responsible for the defensive efforts. Not just for himself, but for the team. SVG is going to chide him in order to get him to lead this team defensively.

The notion that SVG should be fired at this point is ludicrous. We're on track to win 10+ more games than we did last year. Every season SVG has coached his team has done far better than the season before. To fire him at this point would be a huge mistake. Work out the problems, but don't fire a coach thats getting the job done, and that's putting Ws on the board.

[minimoe]

My God... Everyone get off Howards Jock..
I love Howar, but if he cant take critisism he isnt much of a man.. A coach is allowed to praise a player but not critisize? Come on now

[MagicStarwipe]

Obviously we are talking about the complications of doing it publicly, not privately.