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As simple poll about the lack of moves

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Was it the right move to keep the expirings?

Yes
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19%
No
22
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As simple poll about the lack of moves 

Post#1 » by zuppafly » Fri Feb 22, 2008 2:47 am

I realize there are 9348275692 threads about the trade deadline and our lack of moves, and I don't want this thread to be an Otis bash fest. I just think it would be interesting to know how many of you think it was the right move to not get anyone and keep our expirings and how many of you think it was the wrong move.

I create this because I see some posters (like myself) whom were supporting his plan until now and while not being Otis haters think he made a blunder this time.
This is not a "should Otis be fired" thread, it's related only to this trade deadline.

And since today has been quite busy in these boards I believe it would be interesting to know how many are on both sides of the fence. :P
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Post#2 » by lovehoops01 » Fri Feb 22, 2008 2:53 am

This question can't be answered without knowing what the options were.

If they were going to trade the expirings for crap, then no. We don't actually know what, if any deals, he had available.
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Post#3 » by magicfan4life05 » Fri Feb 22, 2008 2:57 am

i dont think so, i think otis misssed an opportunity. For instance whens the last time a team had this much money in expirings contracts and was not looking to get under teh cap and didnt make a move with those contracts.

This is a good team right now in the eastern conference. But I think we all can agree we are not the best. This team lacks assets to get better in the future, so while we are good now, later on to improve we wont have those assets to get better. Today was an opportunity to get some of those with our expirings, but that's just my opinion
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Post#4 » by zuppafly » Fri Feb 22, 2008 2:57 am

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Denton reported that there were talks about getting Wilcox or Thomas.
The price would have been expirings and JJ or Arroyo plus a pick (not all of them in the same deal) as it was reported by the Sentinel (IIRC) and that was considered too much from Otis.

Wilcox makes 6.5 millions. Arroyo makes 4 millions, JJ makes 2 millions, Garrity makes 3.5 millions.
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Post#5 » by EasternMagic » Fri Feb 22, 2008 3:15 am

obviously everyone will say no, but until someone can come to me and name all the trades discused with otis and other teams i chose to believe that otis did wat was good for our team and team chemistry right now. he probably couldve easily made a stupid move just to make one and it wouldnt had done much at all (Kurt Thomas)
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Post#6 » by MagicStarwipe » Fri Feb 22, 2008 3:22 am

If we could have got them to take Bogans instead of JJ I'd be all for it.
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Post#7 » by macdalejax » Fri Feb 22, 2008 5:18 am

Perhaps there wasn't a good enough offer on the table for our exprings...we really don't know what went on with the phone calls today. We should be able to fill some gaps this summer. :pray:
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Post#8 » by drsd » Fri Feb 22, 2008 7:29 am

I guess I would have liked to see Garrity and Bogans shipped for another backup PF. But that move does not equal a tile.

I support GM Smith's vision to not only build a champion, but to build a dynasty.

Should the Magic have made a Cleveland type trade? No.

THe Magic have a large window. A trade could have helped this year, but made that window small.
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Post#9 » by Magicfan94 » Fri Feb 22, 2008 3:56 pm

zuppafly wrote:@lovehoops
Denton reported that there were talks about getting Wilcox or Thomas.
The price would have been expirings and JJ or Arroyo plus a pick (not all of them in the same deal) as it was reported by the Sentinel (IIRC) and that was considered too much from Otis.

Wilcox makes 6.5 millions. Arroyo makes 4 millions, JJ makes 2 millions, Garrity makes 3.5 millions.


They wanted more than that for Wilcox, I guarentee it.
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Post#10 » by OrlandoMagic » Fri Feb 22, 2008 4:50 pm

EasternMagic wrote:obviously everyone will say no, but until someone can come to me and name all the trades discused with otis and other teams i chose to believe that otis did wat was good for our team and team chemistry right now. he probably couldve easily made a stupid move just to make one and it wouldnt had done much at all (Kurt Thomas)



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Post#11 » by magicdoc » Fri Feb 22, 2008 5:56 pm

I second that opinion-

moves just for moves are not good- we have no idea what was on the table and what it could have cost us in the future- as far as draft choices-
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Post#12 » by maginno » Fri Feb 22, 2008 6:32 pm

EasternMagic wrote:obviously everyone will say no, but until someone can come to me and name all the trades discused with otis and other teams i chose to believe that otis did wat was good for our team and team chemistry right now.


BY that rationale the GM position should be beyond ever being questioned because no one not even the owner would be aware of all the trades discussed if Otis chooses not to give a full report. Its the standard cover for Otis lovers. Its VERY similiar to the excuses given by Bhill lovers. How do you know he wasn't doing everything he could and that our team isn't good. Just replace the team with being good to the possible trades being good.

the facts are simple. He left the team with no other option at PF except an aged battie this summer. He had the summer, the exception and Ariza and now the trade deadline (where a number of Gms found ways to improve) to get even one serviceable true PF.

WHy? We have his own word that he didn't want to trade JJ or giveup a third string guard. soo whether or not he could have got a trade we know by his own words that he never reached to the point of offering what he might have gotten one with.

I really don't care if a deal hypothetically wouldn't have been made. That is IMPOSSIBLE to know. WHat we do KNOW because Otis told us is that when he went up to the plate he was refusing to take his best swing.

IF you value JJ that highly (and I feel for him there) then get his rear end off the bench. doesn't make any sense but he can redeem that part of it by getting the kid some playing time.
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Post#13 » by MagiChamps » Fri Feb 22, 2008 9:24 pm

EasternMagic wrote:obviously everyone will say no, but until someone can come to me and name all the trades discused with otis and other teams i chose to believe that otis did wat was good for our team and team chemistry right now. he probably couldve easily made a stupid move just to make one and it wouldnt had done much at all (Kurt Thomas)


Yeah I think that's asking a little too much Joe. You're basically saying "I like Otis because I want to like Otis."
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Post#14 » by Magicfan94 » Fri Feb 22, 2008 9:35 pm

playjredz wrote:-= original quote snipped =-



Yeah I think that's asking a little too much Joe. You're basically saying "I like Otis because I want to like Otis."


Or it's like you saying "I hate Otis because I want to Hate Otis"

I'll always give managment the benefit of the doubt...I guess it's foreign to believe they might be a little more in tune with what is really going on than outsiders.
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Post#15 » by MagiChamps » Fri Feb 22, 2008 10:21 pm

Magicfan94 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-



Or it's like you saying "I hate Otis because I want to Hate Otis"

I'll always give managment the benefit of the doubt...I guess it's foreign to believe they might be a little more in tune with what is really going on than outsiders.


For the record I don't hate Otis. I just think that there is more evidence that he doesn't know what he's doing than there is that he is a top tier gm. I think he has done a decent job, but that's it, just decent. In order to build a contender it helps to take advantage of every opportunity that comes your way, and Otis just missed an opportunity. We can always say we don't know ALL the facts but we can look at news reports and decisions that Otis has made in the past to come to a reasonable conclusion.
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Post#16 » by MagiChamps » Fri Feb 22, 2008 10:29 pm

Magicfan94 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-


I'll always give managment the benefit of the doubt


Blind faith? That's not really my thing. I'm not of the opinion that just because someone has a job they must be good at what they do.
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Post#17 » by MagiChamps » Fri Feb 22, 2008 10:38 pm

Magicfan94 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Or it's like you saying "I hate Otis because I want to Hate Otis"


And I never said that...

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