Gilbert Arenas

Cammo101 · Post #21 » by **Cammo101** » Wed Feb 27, 2008 12:14 am

Stats do not equal production. Put Jameer in Washington and let him shoot every shot and he wouldn't average 12 and 4. Arenas is not as good as his stats, and Jameer is better than his stats. We already have enough scoring, that is not at all what we need from our PG.

UKMagic · Post #22 » by **UKMagic** » Wed Feb 27, 2008 12:32 am

If we had a tall, pass first PG with Meer as our 6th man, I'd start Gilbert at the 2....

But no point thinking about it, because its not happening....but for anyone who doesn't think he'd improve this team in a dream scenario, you're mad. The guy's an All Star and his type of offence, taking games over and going nuts would push us over the top...

Plus, as big an ego as he's got don't think for one moment he hasn't seen the success Kobe has had whilst playing the game with Shaq and allowing Gasol to shine now....Gilbert would defer to Dwight at the right times, he isn't dumb or Brokeback Francis

KingRobb02 · Post #23 » by **KingRobb02** » Wed Feb 27, 2008 12:46 am

Cammo101 wrote:Stats do not equal production. Put Jameer in Washington and let him shoot every shot and he wouldn't average 12 and 4. Arenas is not as good as his stats, and Jameer is better than his stats. We already have enough scoring, that is not at all what we need from our PG.

Actually stats do equal production. Saying Arenas isn't as good as his stats is just as ignorant as can be. The guy was second team all-nba last year on a team that was on pace to win 50 games before the injuries hit. He gets a lot of steals and Caron Butler has become an all-star at his side. If you are letting 3 turnovers per game scare you off of one of the best young point guards in the game, then you are sick.

Post #24 » by **Bensational** » Wed Feb 27, 2008 4:37 am

Cammo101 wrote:Just say no to Gilbert, or any other move that completely overhauls our team. You think Dwight has trouble getting the ball now? Just imagine if we had Arenas.

we don't even have to imagine. just remember the shambles this team was when we had Francis.

no need to go there again....

TNMagicFan · Post #25 » by **TNMagicFan** » Wed Feb 27, 2008 4:46 am

I dont care what kind of numbers Arenas puts up HE DOES NOT MAKE HIS TEAMMATES BETTER . He wouldn't help us at all. 6 assists for a guy that completely dominates the ball isn't good

jamlando · Post #26 » by **jamlando** » Wed Feb 27, 2008 5:38 am

I don't think Gilbert would necessarily be a good choice for Orlando. Yes he's a good player but we already have guys who can score the ball. We don't need another one, we need a guy who can distribute the ball and defend the position. Gilbert may say he will take less money to go to a contender, which I don't believe but would he go to a team where he's not the 1st or 2nd option in the offense?

Orium · Post #27 » by **Orium** » Wed Feb 27, 2008 5:45 am

TheRevTy wrote:Before you go lambasting me with eye rolls and laughter, hear me out.

Gilbert Arenas is not the typical NBA star. He seems to value team chemistry as much as anything else. He plays the game to win AND HAVE FUN DOING IT.

I stopped reading at this point. I mean seriously, are we watching the same player? The guy is a egomaniac and Wash plays better without him.

Cammo101 · Post #28 » by **Cammo101** » Wed Feb 27, 2008 7:49 am

KingRobb02 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Actually stats do equal production. Saying Arenas isn't as good as his stats is just as ignorant as can be. The guy was second team all-nba last year on a team that was on pace to win 50 games before the injuries hit. He gets a lot of steals and Caron Butler has become an all-star at his side. If you are letting 3 turnovers per game scare you off of one of the best young point guards in the game, then you are sick.

And magically he is hurt all this year and the team does not skip a beat. He was playing with 2 all stars in Jamison and Butler, both of whom were better without Arenas. Penny Hardaway, Steve Francis, Zach Randolph, Stephon Marbury...all guys who put up simular numbers to Arenas at some point in their careers. Should we add them too? No? That is because numbers do not make a player.

theTHIEF · Post #29 » by **theTHIEF** » Wed Feb 27, 2008 1:06 pm

the Wizards have definitely skipped a beat...

MJallday59 · Post #30 » by **MJallday59** » Wed Feb 27, 2008 2:59 pm

Whoa...Trading Rashard? The guy avgs 20 ppg as the third option on this team...why would you even say such a thing? We don't know what he can do yet as the 1st option...

The only guard I want from washington is Antonio Daniels...

Cammo101 · Post #31 » by **Cammo101** » Wed Feb 27, 2008 4:43 pm

thEthIEf wrote:the Wizards have definitely skipped a beat...

It was not Arenas going out that brought down the Wiz, it was Daniels and Butler. They were playing extremely well without Arenas.

theTHIEF · Post #32 » by **theTHIEF** » Wed Feb 27, 2008 4:45 pm

it didn't bring them down to rock bottom, that was a collective effort...But you said skip a beat, that they did...You can't say that the team is better without him, they would be better with him at full health...no matter how much of a ball hog or turnover machine he is...

Cammo101 · Post #33 » by **Cammo101** » Wed Feb 27, 2008 4:50 pm

thEthIEf wrote:it didn't bring them down to rock bottom, that was a collective effort...But you said skip a beat, that they did...You can't say that the team is better without him, they would be better with him at full health...no matter how much of a ball hog or turnover machine he is...

They are marginally better with him than without him. But, they did not fall off much when he got hurt. It was not until the injuries piled up that they went to crap. Gilbert is a very good player, but he is not as good a player as his stats say he is. That was my point. My other point is that we do not need a PG like Arenas.

KingRobb02 · Post #34 » by **KingRobb02** » Wed Feb 27, 2008 5:00 pm

Cammo101 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-
And magically he is hurt all this year and the team does not skip a beat. He was playing with 2 all stars in Jamison and Butler, both of whom were better without Arenas. Penny Hardaway, Steve Francis, Zach Randolph, Stephon Marbury...all guys who put up simular numbers to Arenas at some point in their careers. Should we add them too? No? That is because numbers do not make a player.

The Wizards are only as good as they are this year due to improved team defense which starts with Brandon Hawood's becoming a lot better, and because the conferece is a lot weaker this year. last year this team was on pace for 50 wins with Gilbert and this year they will be somewhere around 40. The offesnsive flow is nowhere as good, but if last year's team played D as well as this years team, they would have been around 55 wins. Jamison and Butler aren't necessarily better, they are just counted on to do more. If Turk goes down and Rashard starts to average 30 as we beat the Knicks and Sixers, do you assume that we don't need Turkoglu at all? Throwing out Hardaway, Marbury, and Francis doesn't help your case. if I could have any of those guys at 26, of course I want them on my team. If numbers do not make a player, name an instance where there was a really good player with a low PER or a really bad player with a high one.

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