Point Differential

[mrtcsm]

Hmmm... just a thought!

The point differential of tonight's game against Chicago.
Jameer vs. Carlos
+/-
Jameer: -11
Carlos: +43

Is that the starting PG you guys are looking to have NEXT season?!?!?!
Is Carlos THAT expendable!!! I know he will be available for cheap and considering the way he has been running the team lately I think it will be a good option for us to keep him.

I say find a team to trade Meer to for a good SG or PF and get a PG in Free Agency (Duhon, J. Will, or if we get lucky maybe even Arenas, Calderon, Udrih or Livingston to name a few). I keep saying Jameer is not a starting PG for a championship team. You guys need to get over it and understand we need to trade Jameer for a better fill in another position and upgrade our starting PG through the free agency. I think it will be nearly impossible for us to get a good PG through the Draft (Rose, Gordon, Collison, Chalmers...).

[Sharper]

Oh no ...

[Last Guardian]

I wonder what 82games thinks about the entire season as opposed to one meaningless game against a scrub team. Hmmm, yes, I wonder.

[mrtcsm]

I wonder what 82games thinks about the entire season as opposed to one meaningless game against a scrub team. Hmmm, yes, I wonder.

You are not getting IT!!! It is not whether Jameer is better than Carlos, it is that Meer should not be our starting PG and he definitely doesn't deserve starting PG type of contract. I'm fine for him to be our back-up PG, but is he willing to??? What I'm saying is that we should use the money spent on him to get a better player for another position and try to free some cap and get a better PG through the FA.

[craig01]

Trade Nelson for what?

Replace him with whom?

It ain't that easy.

[Max Power]

Jameer isn't the greatest pg in the world, but Carlos is even worse. I'd just assume the Magic resign Omal Mccaskill to run the point than have Carlos Arroyo start. I'll stick with Jameer for now, he's the starting point guard for a 50 win team, to me that's good enough for the moment.

[UCFJayBird]

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You are not getting IT!!! It is not whether Jameer is better than Carlos, it is that Meer should not be our starting PG and he definitely doesn't deserve starting PG type of contract. I'm fine for him to be our back-up PG, but is he willing to??? What I'm saying is that we should use the money spent on him to get a better player for another position and try to free some cap and get a better PG through the FA.

you should re-examine the Magic's financial situation. Unless the Magic get rid of Dwight or Rashard, the odds of accumulating any kind of salary cap space larger than the MLE is very slim.

Whether Jameer is the magic's future starter is a mute point. Management seems to love him, and he's a good player, who just got paid a large extension from this team. So unless they trade him (which could be unlikely because of his contract), Jameer will be a Magic man for a while.

The Magic need to address their PG problems through trading other pieces, which is unlikely (the kind of PG the Magic need is the kind every team needs, and teams are unwilling to part with them easily), the MLE (again difficult, because good PGs tend to get a large sum of cash, especially given the state of the PG position in the league), and the draft (which we all know the Magic struggle with when they don't have a top 5 pick).

Personally I don't think Jameer is the long term starter. But I think he IS a piece we need to hold on to for the bench. Jameer would be a 6th man type candidate off the bench.

[EasternMagic]

not again...

[AgEnT50]

Trade Nelson for what?

Replace him with whom?

It ain't that easy.

[eyriq]

Trade Nelson for what?

Replace him with whom?

It ain't that easy.

Or that necessary!

[FFBlitzace]

Jameer played well tonight, that stat is just ridiculously stupid.

Carlos played well too, but realistically, he was mainly just playing his normal game, just making his jumpshots tonight.

[Devin 1L]

Are you seriously trying to use the plus/minus from one game as the basis for your argument?

[TheGlyde]

Hidden in the tradition of this boards tough stance on point guards, is the fact that both of them have improved under SVG.

Both have increased their FG%, 3P%, FT%, and assists numbers, while lowering their field goal attempts, both have increased their Assist to turnover ratio, and Jameer has reduced his turnovers, Arroyo is about the same but is averaging a couple more MPG.

Most of the time, Arroyo is a solid backup PG, he can get carried away at times and look for his own shot, but ne's not as bad as last year and has had some quite good games... some ppl have gotten so used to the habit of critisizing the PG's they don't stop to look at how they have turned alot of their faults around.

Jameer, the jury is still out on whether he can be a career starter, he improved in his 2nd season, had a bad year in year 3, and improved again in year 4. The key for me is to avoid the step backwards next year, as long as Jameer improves again, I won't be demanding the world from him.

[EasternMagic]

for all the arroyo lovers who want to oust meer... if you go to champs you can buy arroyo jerseys off of the sale rack now. just thought id let you know if you wanted to get one the time has never been better

[Optimus_Steel]

RealGM, where one game means everything lol.

[macdalejax]

RealGM, where one game means everything lol.

so true

[MagicalMan]

wow the only reason for that was carlos played the 2nd quarter when Dwight went on a rampage. Carlos had the benefit of Dwight for the 2nd and 4th quarters. But way to try and use a meaningless stat as justification for your opinion.

[MagicalMan]

I really hope we let Carlos go after this season. If only to put an end to these Carlos vs Jameer threads.

[Max Power]

I agree Magical, I don't think Arroyo helps the Magic other than in a slight profit margin way with the Puerto Rican community support. He's a good player maybe once every 10 games. The rest of the time he steals shots from Hedo, Dwight and Rashard Lewis.