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Post#21 » by leo6287 » Wed May 7, 2008 4:53 pm

Sign and Trade

Well only 1 and i think we could make it work I wish

Jose Calderon ( I'd give him 10 Mill)
J.Kapono

4

Turk
JJ
Arroyo (4 Mill)
2009 1st

Or

Trade up in the Draft for one.

O.J. Mayo and Jerryd Bayless Might be there with the #5 pick. Trade with New York(Q-Rich and #5 Pick to Orlando 4 Turk and 2009 1st)
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Post#22 » by TheRevTy » Wed May 7, 2008 5:00 pm

Will Jameer Nelson ever be able to silence the doubters?
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Post#23 » by leo6287 » Wed May 7, 2008 5:05 pm

TheRevTy wrote:Jameer's assist stats DO NOT show how he creates. The guy drives and kicks out better than anyone on our team (yes, even Turk. He drives, but RARELY dishes, but rather goes up to finish). So Jameer penetrates, the defense collapses, he kicks it out to, let's say, Turk, who then swings it to an open Mo or Bogans. That is how our offense is set up. That is why Jameer had a valid point when he talked about the 'hockey assist'.

Defensively, he struggles, yes. The point Mhec was making was that most star point guards aren't exactly defensive phenoms. In fact, there are very very few defensive PG's. Jameer has done a decent job slowing down the opposition. He'll never be anything close to lock down, but he is no worse than Steve Nash, Tony Parker, or any number of PG's in the league, and their teams do pretty well...


Jameer tends to shoot 1st and pass 2nd. and other teams Plan to attack our backcourt spots when were on defense cause they can take advantage of height and inability to defend well and they can't get dwight the ball in the post as much as the should cause our backcourt can't make those passes in the post. and Nelson is nothing close to Nash and Parker
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Post#24 » by Mr F 2u » Wed May 7, 2008 5:09 pm

TheRevTy wrote:Will Jameer Nelson ever be able to silence the doubters?


Doubtful. He really has stepped up in the postseason this year and i think he is just starting to understand the game at the professional level. His defense has been much better against the pistions and he is not getting credit for it. Billups is a hell of a player and honestly who in the L does stop him from having a big night.
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Post#25 » by eyriq » Wed May 7, 2008 5:23 pm

leo6287 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Nelson or Dooling ??


Well, since this was about keeping Nelson, I'm saying keep Dooling. He is a combo guard that can handle some point when Nelson is out of the game and Hedo is playing the main distributor. My overall opinion is that Nelson is not a liability though, so this point is minimal.
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Post#26 » by CraZyPraiZ » Wed May 7, 2008 5:27 pm

mhectorgato wrote:-= original quote snipped =-



So, based on this this reasoning, should Detroit get rid of Chauncey and Phoenix unload Nash? Tony Parker isn't a stopper, should they trade him for expirings?


Thx, you saved me a response. It's all about team defense.
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Post#27 » by magicmamma » Wed May 7, 2008 5:27 pm

TheRevTy wrote:Jameer's assist stats DO NOT show how he creates. The guy drives and kicks out better than anyone on our team (yes, even Turk. He drives, but RARELY dishes, but rather goes up to finish). So Jameer penetrates, the defense collapses, he kicks it out to, let's say, Turk, who then swings it to an open Mo or Bogans. That is how our offense is set up. That is why Jameer had a valid point when he talked about the 'hockey assist'.

Defensively, he struggles, yes. The point Mhec was making was that most star point guards aren't exactly defensive phenoms. In fact, there are very very few defensive PG's. Jameer has done a decent job slowing down the opposition. He'll never be anything close to lock down, but he is no worse than Steve Nash, Tony Parker, or any number of PG's in the league, and their teams do pretty well...


Excellent explanation of our offense.

I think there's a good reason why few point guards provide much defense. Defense requires concentration. Playing pg requires concentration. Even on the defensive end, a pg seems to always have one eye on his opponent, one eye on his teammates, and one eye on the coach. I suspect even "defensive" pgs aren't as good defenders as other guards.

No, Jameer will never satisfy his critics, but as long as they keep that chip on his shoulder they are useful.
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Post#28 » by TheRevTy » Wed May 7, 2008 5:27 pm

Teams plan to attack our backcourt because well, that's where most teams have their best player. It would also be difficult to attack our frontcourt, as we have a pretty good anchor down low. If we had another shotblocking presence, out backcourt deficiencies would be diminished.

However, I am all for OJ Mayo. He would a be a great SG next to Jameer. I would try to squeeze David Lee out of the deal, as well (Hedo, JJ, #22 for David Lee, Q Rich, and #5)
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Post#29 » by eyriq » Wed May 7, 2008 6:13 pm

The doubters can hate all they want, and they will still be wrong. Jameer is a clutch player, a great leader, and a good point guard. We are solid with him manning the team for the future, so move on to other, realer, needs, like shooting guard.
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Post#30 » by magicman123 » Wed May 7, 2008 6:27 pm

evans is a top 5 sg in this league :lol:
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Post#31 » by DiplomaticMagic » Wed May 7, 2008 7:26 pm

Jameer is fine. We need to get rid of the scrub back-ups though. Dooling and Arroyo need to be gone. And I say sign Chris Duhon.
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Post#32 » by craig01 » Wed May 7, 2008 7:35 pm

Nelson has not been the problem.

Defensively he has been adequate. That is a plus.

Missed FT's, turnovers, weak side rebounding, poor shot selection has hurt the Magic much more.
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Post#33 » by BassMaster » Wed May 7, 2008 7:45 pm

eyriq wrote:The doubters can hate all they want, and they will still be wrong. Jameer is a clutch player, a great leader, and a good point guard. We are solid with him manning the team for the future, so move on to other, realer, needs, like shooting guard.


If you think that your deal is so great then I think you would be willing to buy this little old bridge in NYC.
I think that says everything about your deal and what it is really worth.
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Post#34 » by mhectorgato » Wed May 7, 2008 8:04 pm

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eyriq wrote:The doubters can hate all they want, and they will still be wrong. Jameer is a clutch player, a great leader, and a good point guard. We are solid with him manning the team for the future, so move on to other, realer, needs, like shooting guard.


If you think that your deal is so great then I think you would be willing to buy this little old bridge in NYC.
I think that says everything about your deal and what it is really worth.


What deal? Did he mention a trade? Did he mention any transaction?
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Post#35 » by mfishy » Wed May 7, 2008 9:10 pm

Parker and Nash would be considered all star PG's and they cannot play any defense at all. I often think if Nelson played with more consistency and a bit more heady offensively, few people would talk about his generally lousy defense.

Dooling is as fast as they come and he certainly puts in the effort but a good PG can blow right by him like anyone else. I consider the Spurs to have been a good defensive team for years and when parker and manu are in there they can still get it done despite the fact those guys suck defensively.
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Post#36 » by eyriq » Wed May 7, 2008 9:50 pm

cougar13 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-



If you think that your deal is so great then I think you would be willing to buy this little old bridge in NYC.
I think that says everything about your deal and what it is really worth.


Oops, I meant realer needs like shooting guard only in the case of the "answer" being buried on the bench. I was not bashing JJ.... :rofl: (If not that, what exactly got your ire up?)
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Post#37 » by Dwightmare » Wed May 7, 2008 10:27 pm

I came in here all prepared to protect Air Pat Garrity.

I guess I will just save all my arguments for another day.
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Post#38 » by Magic.City.23. » Wed May 7, 2008 11:35 pm

The only PG in the draft i would want (that would be available at #22) would is Mario Chalmers, but I think everyone pretty much agrees that we need a starting SG or PF more than a backup PG. If we can move up and somehow get CDR, Aurthur, or maybe even Mayo tho, I would be happy. If not, maybe we'll be lucky to somehow get someone like Speights or Thompson or something at our spot. No need for us to draft a PG tho.......this pick is too valuable to use for a back-up.
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Post#39 » by magictreat » Wed May 7, 2008 11:37 pm

TheRevTy wrote:Will Jameer Nelson ever be able to silence the doubters?
No, if he keep allowing 28 points a night to Chauncey, lol
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Post#40 » by Last Guardian » Wed May 7, 2008 11:57 pm

leo6287 wrote:Sign and Trade

Well only 1 and i think we could make it work I wish

Jose Calderon ( I'd give him 10 Mill)
J.Kapono

4

Turk
JJ
Arroyo (4 Mill)
2009 1st

Or

Trade up in the Draft for one.

O.J. Mayo and Jerryd Bayless Might be there with the #5 pick. Trade with New York(Q-Rich and #5 Pick to Orlando 4 Turk and 2009 1st)


Calderon is your solution to Jameers bad defense? .

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