Would you have still given Meer an Extension

[magicman123]

im fine with nelson right now, he isnt a good defender and i would love a 2 guard that plays great D, to offset some of our issues in the backcourt..we need someone to compliment nelson playing next to him, because he does have several faults..

[oakfanintheeast]

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He is definitely not slow or weak...
Right now you just sound like someone who hates jameer to hate him.

ok guy with the nelson icon.


he's too slow to guard the quick guys in the league, and he got posted up by guys like miller and billups and couldn't body up. he just got completely backed down against miller, and orlando had to send double teams. If you think nelson is quick, watch paul, conley, lowry, parker, etc, etc, play.

[Rccanes2311]

I'll give you an example of what I'm talking about. When Nelson went down Arroyo had to take over. The Magic starting taking teams apart. Not because of Arroyo cause Arroyo is garbage. It was because Arroyo would give the ball to Lewis, Howard and Hedo every time he came up the court and get the hell out of the way. He would then go down court and concentrate effort on defense. Dooling would do the same thing. Getting the ball into their hands as much as possible is what will win it for us. No one should take anywhere near the amount of shots as they do. Those players should play strong defense and knock down an open shot when needed. This is the equation that will help the Magic win. Either get a strong defensive PG who can knock down the open 3, or a guy who can make great plays with his passing and knock down an open 3. The last thing the Magic need is 4 guys looking to shoot the ball. Thats not what wins championships. Not everyone can be the hero.

[oakfanintheeast]

The idea of having a tall point guard hasn't worked for the Magic since Penny. Does the name Jeryl Sasser ring a bell?

sassler was some bum. Critt was 7th rated player out of his HS class, and a stud at GT.

[oakfanintheeast]

Williams - Dwade, Shaq
Fisher- Shaq, Kobe
Johnson- Duncan Robinson
Harper- Jordan, Pippen, Kukoc
Smith- Hakeem, Clyde
Armstrong- Jordan Pippen.


PLease, thats a lame argument.

Are you hinting at Nelson should be taken shots away from dwight, lewis, and Turk?

Because I said he should be taking shots away? just like Jason Williams took shots away from Shaq and Wade? Where on earth did you get that from.

What I'm saying is you can win an NBA title without an All-Star, pass first PG.

Can Jameer do it? Sure, if he has the talent around him he can, just like those guys did.

Like it or not, this team right now is married to the pairing of Howard and Lewis now, and for the foreseeable future, are they at the level of a Kobe/Shaq pairing? Jordan/Pippen? Duncan/Robinson? Hakeem/Drexler?

Right now, obviously not, but they do have a borderline All-Star teammate in Hedo Turkoglu whom, with the exception of the 72-10 Bulls teams with Kukoc, is probably a better 3rd wheel than those other teams

Dwight Howard has the potential to be mentioned in the same breath as those guys, the question is can Lewis?

This year he was reduced to a very expensive 3rd wheel, and you have to wonder why?

I loved what Hedo brought to the table this year, but I want to see what Dwight and Lewis can do. I want Lewis to get back to the SF Position and have the offence run through him more, it's what we are paying him for we may as well see if this very expensive pairing actually works.

Hedo, is our most tradeable asset and it's time to make that move, I don't want to see him trying to defend SG's... much Like Ariza didn't fit the team, he just doesn't fit the team that I want to see.

Went off topic a bit there, but hey, As for the Meer extension, theres nothing wrong with it, at all. He's being paid MLE money, which is the NBA's average wage, and he is an above average NBA player, so I'm glad we have him at that price, and I see no reason with the right team around him he could not win an NBA title.

(P.S In Kenny Smith's first title there was no Drexler)

Orlando doesnt have near the talent any of those teams Had. Thats the problem.

I agree that teams without a shoot first PG could win,but they have to have great talent around them too. Since orlando doesn't have that, they need to get the ball to their best players, all the time. Nelson looking for himself hinders that idea.

[Rccanes2311]

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He is definitely not slow or weak...
Right now you just sound like someone who hates jameer to hate him.

Oh and in response to Glydes post above... Right on the dot, im still not sure if i would trade hedo or not but you definitely know what your talking about and i take your information seriously

Nelson's far from slow he's one of the quickest in the league ON OFFENSE. One defense he either A. gets blown by or B. backed down and thats unacceptable. No I know I don't have a problem with Nelson he's Solid and I think he could be one of the best 6th men the league. My problem with Nelson is his defense. If he was only getting backed down I could live with that I guess, but letting these big ass PG just blow by him is unacceptable. If your gonna be a short guy in the league you better be able to keep the bigger guy's in front of you.

[1eyedjake]

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he could work on his defense all he wants, but he's too short, too slow, too weak to be a good defender.

I realise all of that but people said very similar things about Derek Fisher in his early career and he's developed into a decent defender.

I think Jameer is a bit smaller than Fish but he has a similar type or core body strength. If he works on becoming the best positional defender he can be he could draw a lot of charges. Also, you don't have to be able to get a hand on the ball to be a good defender. You can get a hand in a guy's face and be just as effective.

[MagicStarwipe]

Well we ain't getting Deron Williams or Chris Paul anytime soon. For right now Jameer is our best option. It's not a terrible one.

[EasternMagic]

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ok guy with the nelson icon.


he's too slow to guard the quick guys in the league, and he got posted up by guys like miller and billups and couldn't body up. he just got completely backed down against miller, and orlando had to send double teams. If you think nelson is quick, watch paul, conley, lowry, parker, etc, etc, play.

LOL good one!
He didnt play that bad of defense against billups in the playoffs most of billups points came off of free throws half of them werent fouls on nelson and half of them were bull calls... I think billups was like 5-14 one game against him... not to hott. And as far as the quickness goes.... i guess him blowing by billups and tj and calderon in the playoffs on offense means hes not quick enough And nelson is obviously no comparison to chris paul seeing as he is the best pg in the league... but conley and lowry? are you nuts?:crazy:.

[drsd]

Jameer's EFF numbers clearly place him as an NBA starter. The PG position is the hardest to play, and at 5-8 million per year, the Magic got an EXCELLENT contract.

Nelson's TOs look to be decreasing. His 3 ball improves. He is better at setting up Howard. And his defense is adequate for all but about 3 Easter PGs (and no other starting PGs can guard them either).

[Typhoon20]

NBA Titles:

Jason Williams, Derek Fisher, Avery Johnson, Ron Harper, Kenny Smith, B.J Armstrong: 13

Pass first brigade:
John Stockton, Jason Kidd, Steve Nash, Mark Jackson, Mark Price: zero

Pass first brigade ? ok. Well people keep saying they pass first but they shoot as much too on top of distributing.

You're point is a bit invalid though correct, yes you can get a ring with a medicore/bad PG, but 90% of the time you better hope you have a GOAT candidate at your squad, preferably 2. Looking at our squad, there's no GOAT candidate, and it looks like it's not gonna change for quite some time. Thus having a bad/medicore PG won't bring you a ring if you don't have those greatest ever players around you.

We have the contract of a GOAT candidate player, just not the player that goes along with it.

[mhectorgato]

I'm happy enough with the contract size.

I think it took a while for Meer to adjust to SVGs offense. He actually had a role that was more than just bring the ball down the court and pass it to someone else who had an iso run for them.

What I want from Jameer in the future is to work on (if it's possible) the ability to know when to switch from distributor/playmaker to scorer. That's something that Chauncey does extremely well.

Jameer has the ability to both well enough for us. During the post season SVG told him at various times when to make the switch in role. Hopefully he will be able to get a sense of the game flow himself and make that change on the fly as the game progresses.

[magicfan4life05]

FWIW, this is from the article in mid april when otis says the magic would be open to trading redick

Smith appears firmly behind point guard Jameer Nelson as his starter, but the playoffs might determine if the Magic need more help. President Bob Vander Weide mentioned recently that while the club considers Nelson among its top seven players, his status doesn

[magicmamma]

Jameer played better in the playoffs than during the season -- both rounds. No other player on the team did that (except for Gortat, but it's easy to improve on nothing). That alone says a lot about Jameer's value. He went through emotional hell this year between his personal grief and SVG playing with his head. After SVG finally said, at the end of Feb., that starting pg was settled, Jameer's performance kept improving and I don't think any player on the team has been more consistant.

Jameer looks out for himself first???? In the last game, he shot 6 for 7. Seven attempts! The only other player with as many FGs was Hedo who was 8 of 15. If SVG wasn't yelling, "Stop passing and shoot that @#$%! ball," he should have been. Jameer has made himself the fourth option, in spite of the fact that he has the highest 3 point average on the team (regular season and playoffs). Another thing that Stan said back in February is that he wanted Jameer to score more. He needed him to be a scoring threat to keep the other guys open. (But what does Stan know? He's not even a Ballboy here.)

It would be great if we could get a pg with Jameer's offensive skills who was 5 inches taller and played great defense. If we found one, it wouldn't be hard to trade for him. Dwight oughta do it.

We don't have our long-term starting sg yet. A big, defensively-skilled slasher next to Jameer and the SL is in good shape. And I'm sure a big, defensive backup pg, who actually has some pg skills, is near the top of our shopping list. That would give JJ a spot in the rotation, giving our second unit some serious firepower.

I'm very optimistic about next year. The return of Battie and the rapid improvement of Gortat do a lot to correct our shortage of bigs. Cookie is still a young player with potential for improvement, and I think he is already a lot better than when he arrived. We'll probably pick up another big in the draft, and that Spaniard might even come over to fill out our IL.

[NBAChamps2010]

Jameer is a high character guy wih a lot of heart. He still does not "bring it" every game, and for a player lacking in stature, that's not good. IMO he is better coming off the bench to add energy/scoring to the 2nd unit.

Here are a couple of interesting candidates to add to our PG fold. Carlos Cabezas from the Spanish National Team. He's poised, knows how to win and he is a little taller and heavier than Meer with good assist numbers for a championship Euro team. There were articles about the Magic flirting with him last Summer, but nothing else came out on it.

The other guy is Calderon from Toronto. I know reports have Toronto matching any offer he gets, but they have a dilemna up there. Calderon just said in his blog that he wants to start and we know Ford wants to start. They probably won't be able to co-exist next year and Toronto will have a hard time trading Ford because of his contract and recent injuries. That leaves Calderon as the guy that can get them value in the market. I don't know if we have what it takes to entice them to do a trade though.
That leaves Cabezas as the easier acqusition.

If Otis keeps Meer as the starter we could look at trading with Memphis for Crittendon as a developmental project. We could sure use his size off the bench.

[Dome]

at the beginning of the season?

We all know hindsight is 20/20 but we're reflecting and looking back on the season, would you have let him play out the season and work out something this offseason or are you content with the extension?

He received an extension right before the season for roughly 32 million dollars over 5 years.

According to Hoopshype,

Next year he gets $5,555,555
09/10 $6,138,888
10/11 $6,722,222
11/12 $7,305,555
12/13 $7,888,888

I forgot if the last year was a team or player option.

That's a great salary for the guy IMO, I'm happy Otis extended him last year.