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Post#61 » by Ballings7 » Thu May 15, 2008 9:36 am

Rebounding and defense help for Dwight, another guy aside from Battie.

An upgrade overall at SG, requirement of defense. Maybe take an interest in Kirk Snyder (who I like a lot in general), being a two-way talented athletic big wing-man. Has shown something for stretches in NO, Houston, and Minnesota. Hasn't been able to get a fair, sustained oppurtunity yet for one reason or another. Early on it was attitude-related to an extent, but that looks to be gone (since Houston), since it's been a couple injuries and just having proven guys in front of him.

A true-type of back-up PG that can defend... Anthony Carter possibly (just isn't much of a shooter, can make open two-pointers here and there, though), Tyronn Lue... and Kevin Ollie would be fine as third string.
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Post#62 » by drsd » Thu May 15, 2008 10:20 am

EasternMagic wrote:tell rodney stuckey that.


Given that Stuckey is a backup, we appear to agree that a rookie will not start for the Magic. But we can also agree that a guy like CDR could be a quality backup that late season might provide emergency starting duties.
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Post#63 » by MJallday59 » Thu May 15, 2008 2:17 pm

Just curious, what PG's will be available this summer? The only name that comes to mind is Anthony Johnson (Who I think would be an excellent backup to Jameer)
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Post#64 » by Ballings7 » Thu May 15, 2008 10:57 pm

Anthony Johnson is another guy that wouldn't be a bad option for back-up PG.

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Post#65 » by lovehoops01 » Fri May 16, 2008 10:16 am

theTHIEF wrote:so are we ok with MP and Bogans at the 2?


Hell, no.....In my opinion, Mogans at the 2 is better than Bogans and Pietrus. Or Evans and Pietrus. What does Pietrus do so much better than either Bogans or Evans?

The only thing I don't like about Mogans is there is a similarity to their games.

The good thing about re-signing guys like Evans and Dooling is the Magic have their Bird rights so they could go out and sign someone else to the MLE and then deal with them. I wouldn't go crazy with their salaries, but you wouldn't have to look for minimum-wage guys either.

The best thing about getting Battie back. He is the only player on the Magic roster (except J.J. strangely) who knows how to block out.
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Post#66 » by spinedoc » Fri May 16, 2008 5:32 pm

lovehoops01 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-



Hell, no.....In my opinion, Mogans at the 2 is better than Bogans and Pietrus. Or Evans and Pietrus. What does Pietrus do so much better than either Bogans or Evans?

The only thing I don't like about Mogans is there is a similarity to their games.

The good thing about re-signing guys like Evans and Dooling is the Magic have their Bird rights so they could go out and sign someone else to the MLE and then deal with them. I wouldn't go crazy with their salaries, but you wouldn't have to look for minimum-wage guys either.

The best thing about getting Battie back. He is the only player on the Magic roster (except J.J. strangely) who knows how to block out.


How about play defense, run the fast break, play above the rim, rebound, handle the ball, drive to the basket, and still have more upside to grow as a player. GS had him playing some pf because of his rebounding abilities. He isn't my first choice, but he would still be a nice acquisition regardless. If we could have MP, Evans, and maybe even JJ at the sg next year, we would be in a much better position then we are currently.
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Post#67 » by Optimus_Steel » Fri May 16, 2008 5:35 pm

spinedoc wrote:-= original quote snipped =-



How about play defense, run the fast break, play above the rim, rebound, handle the ball, drive to the basket, and still have more upside to grow as a player. GS had him playing some pf because of his rebounding abilities. He isn't my first choice, but he would still be a nice acquisition regardless. If we could have MP, Evans, and maybe even JJ at the sg next year, we would be in a much better position then we are currently.


:nod:

Bogans is like a poor mans Pietrus. I hate Bogans and i hope he opts out. Pietrus would give us that crazy athletecism and size that we are missing at the wings plus everythign that Bogans does but quite better.
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Post#68 » by theTHIEF » Fri May 16, 2008 5:36 pm

that's why he's been so coveted over the last 5 years...

He hasn't really lived up to the French Micahel Jordan title...5 years in the NBA, averaging 62 games per year and has never averaged more than 21 MPG...sounds like starting material to me...

I'm not blind to MP's upside, it would just be hard for me to justify throwing him the entire MLE...
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Post#69 » by spinedoc » Fri May 16, 2008 5:40 pm

Well thief, he's not better than J-Rich or Monta. They might have something to do with that lack of PT.
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Post#70 » by theTHIEF » Fri May 16, 2008 5:46 pm

very true, he's not...but if he's so versatile, it's interesting that no one else has picked him up at any of those three times that he has been available or has asked to be moved over the past 3 season.

MP>Bogans - duh
MP starting vs. Evans starting = not sold
MP getting the MLE vs. an obvious performer = illogical
MP getting the MLE because we are out of options = understandable
MP getting the MLE and Evans getting let go = bad move

IF MP can stay healthy, which he wont, he is a very strong athlete, and usually brutalizes his match up on offense. His defense is solid, but severely overrated I believe, at least around these parts. He is not some lock down post/perimeter defender, you're basically talking about a guy that has Trevor Ariza defense, long arms, poking, intensity but no real bankable asset in that department. We're talking about a guy that probably wouldn't make the all defensive team if they went up to 5 teams...

I'll take him if we can breakup the MLE with a guy like Duhon or something, but please dont throw the wad at him until we've exhausted our search...
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Post#71 » by spinedoc » Fri May 16, 2008 5:54 pm

I don't disagree with any of that Thief, except maybe him being similar or equal to Evans starting. I think he's a mild to moderate upgrade over him. I really like Evans though, and I hope he's a priority for us this offseason. Unless he gets crazy with his demands of course, because if you think MP is a bad fit for the mle, Evans would be a worse fit. Thats too much, he's a notch below that imo. MP should get more based on upside alone.
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Post#72 » by spinedoc » Fri May 16, 2008 6:02 pm

I think you added onto your post while I was writing mine, or I missed the last part. If we could split the mle for MP and Duhon, I'd be extremely happy, but I'm thinking Duhon is an mle guy as well considering that it is the mid-level exception. Both of them should be around the same value I would think.
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Post#73 » by theTHIEF » Fri May 16, 2008 6:06 pm

yea I edited it real quick and then I saw your post...

It doesnt have to be Duhon, you Carter/Anthony someone...I know MP will want the MLE but seriously, he does not deserve it IMO...not for this team...now if Toronto/Denver or Miami want's to offer him that money, go right ahead, apparently he likes all 3 of those places and all three are interested...we might not even have a shot at it...
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Post#74 » by spinedoc » Fri May 16, 2008 6:14 pm

I hear ya, but if you think about it this way... He would be getting similar money to what Bogans and JJ are getting now. I know I would certainly trade both of them to get MP, so I'm not too hung up on the amount. Its also the same kind of money that we gave Jameer. I think your MP getting the mle because we are out of "better" options is the best answer, but I'd still be happy to have him.

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