Calderon unhappy in Raptorland

[BassMaster]

Jameer + JJ + Fran + 1st = Calderon

But Otis would never admit that the contract he gave Jameer was a mistake.

Jameer did outplay Calderon in the postseason.

I think Jameer's ideal role would a guy who comes off the bench for around 20 minutes a game and tries to score as many points possible.

[Rccanes2311]

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He says after the fact without the use of emoticons in the original post.

Just because I disagree doesn't mean that I disregard reasonable arguments from the other side.

I don't use the emoticons and I never have.

[theTHIEF]

keep dreaming...no Spain reppin' on this team...the Magic are Spanish player repellent...

[mhectorgato]

I don't use the emoticons and I never have.

Then don't be surprised or upset if people misinterpret what you say...

[macdalejax]

Jameer + JJ + Fran + 1st = Calderon

But Otis would never admit that the contract he gave Jameer was a mistake.

I think Jameer's ideal role would a guy who comes off the bench for around 20 minutes a game and tries to score as many points possible.

First off, the contract Jameer got was a good contract imo because there aren't too many good PGs in the league at the moment and they are very high priced because of that (supply and demand). MLE, or just over, isn't bad for a PG of his calibur. This point has been made and argued in other threads so I won't keep going.

I disagree with your last point. Jameer is a very serviceable guard and deserves to be a starter on most teams in the NBA.

[Derekman]

I see a lot of proposed trades that have Jameer Nelson coming back. If we're trading Jose, we're not looking to get a backup point guard, we're looking for a legit near-star level player to play at one of the wing spots. (Hedo).

[theTHIEF]

lol...

oddly funny comment there, Jameer the backup taking out Ford & Calderon the two headed monster comprised of two clear NBA starters all on his own...

[aleZ]

Calderon would greatly improve the Magic's offense and help Dwight get more touches, he's got 10x the court vision Jameer will ever develop. And our defense is already piss-poor at the PG spot, that wouldn't be a huge downgrade.

btw Nelson outplayed Ford and Calderon in the playoffs cuz the Raps were playing against themselves the whole year, with no chemistry and bad coaching. Look at the whole season and they aren't even close.

[Nemesis21]

could we get Calderon for Jameer, rights to Fran and 2 '09 2nd rd picks?

[J-Mezzy]

It's not happening but here are a few things I'd like to add.

I love Nelson and I don't want him gone, his defense is not any worse than Jose's, but here is what some of you are missing. The Magic biggest problem during the past few years have been the turn overs, Calderon is a superior passer and a better decision maker than Nelson. He has great assist/turnover ratio and is a better shooter.

I don't think he is THAT much of an upgrade, but would make a positive impact at least on the turnover department

[magicmamma]

The Magic biggest problem during the past few years have been the turn overs, Calderon is a superior passer and a better decision maker than Nelson. He has great assist/turnover ratio and is a better shooter.

I don't think he is THAT much of an upgrade, but would make a positive impact at least on the turnover department

I'd be willing to bet that if Calderon were on the Magic is TOs would shoot up. I'll also predict that as long as there are no major changes in our team next year, TOs will go way down.

I think most of our TOs result from two things. About half are from team immaturity. These guys have been together with this style of play and this coach for one season. That results in a lot of mistakes just from not enough practice -- passing the ball to nobody because someone wasn't where he was supposed to be. You don't see mistakes like that often from Detroit. We'll get over that, probably next year.

Most of the other half are from trying to get the ball to Dwight (or from Dwight's problems when he gets it). With Dwight heavily guarded by guys who are also waiting for that pass, it's not often that the ball can go right at him without being picked off. A lot of the passes to Dwight go to where he can get it and they can't. Someone holds Dwight down too effectively, and the passer gets a TO from a "wild pass." This will improve too, although it's not likely to go away next year.

Jameer's TOs have been going down, and I don't think a new "better" pg (who is anyone we could hope to get) coming into our system is going to do that much better than Jameer in the TO department.

[BadMofoPimp]

Jameer really changed his game this season towards the end. I really thought he was becoming another Stevie Francis. But, the opportunity to get a player like Calderon does not come by often. He has the potential to become an all-star in the East. Thus, do whatever it takes without losing Hedo or Dwight.

I like the poster earlier who offered:

Jameer, JJ, Fran and 1st rounder for Calderon, filler.

Because, with Dooling backing up Calderon, that is quite a combo. Besides, the Magic still have the Mid Level to pick up another SG. Calderon can dish the ball so well that he will make Lewis and Hedo better while finding Dwight for many dunks.

The main point where Calderon would help is in REDUCING TURNOVERS. This is where the Pistons killed the Magic.

[sChOlaRlY_Magi]

I'd still stick with Jameer...

As everyone says we have more glaring needs. Jameer did great against Raps, and Calderon wouldn't be any better on D against Detroit. I think Jameer has been improving enough to make this moot... For now.

[subcomandante]

if hedo stays... no need for calderon.

if hedo moves... calderon is the best choice.

orlando needs a solid playmaker on the floor.

[lovehoops01]

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i wouldn't say Calderon is mid level talent. he runs a team like a pro, and with him on board we'd have the freedom to move Hedo (in fact, we'd kind of be forced to because i don't think Calderon would work well with another play maker on the court). i'd defo trade JJ + Nelson for Calderon.

So now we'd have to move Jameer AND Hedo to get Calderon? I'm sorry, but that doesn't make any sense to me. Change two-fifths of your starting lineup to get a guy we can't even agree is significantly better than the current PG?

Or how about trading four players for him?
Jameer, JJ, Fran and 1st rounder for Calderon, filler? What?

Did Toronto win that series with the unstoppable backcourt of Ford and Calderon?

And check the box scores, guys. Turnovers were not the problems of our backcourt very often this season. Usually, it was the front court.

I agree with whoever said that you deal for Calderon, next season you'll be complaining about him, too. It's happened to whoever is point guard here since Darrell Armstrong left -- which is odd because he wasn't a stranger to turnovers either.

Plus, if the guy is unhappy now and posting it all over Web sites, then how long would it be before he'd be unhappy about something here and start posting it all over Web sites? How about if Van Gundy benched him, for example, as he has been known to do?