Should we pursue Hinrich?

NBAChamps2010 · Post #1 » by **NBAChamps2010** » Wed May 21, 2008 8:21 pm

If the Bulls take Rose, Hinrich may be available. Should the Magic even consider pursuing him? He's a big PG with good court vision and has a declining salary over the next 4 years.
08/09 $10M
09/10 $9.5M
10/11 $9M
11/12 $8M
Last season was down for him, but it was for just about all the Bulls.

MagicFan149 · Post #2 » by **MagicFan149** » Wed May 21, 2008 8:28 pm

its not as simple as wether we should go after him or not .... i mean at what cost??? are we giving up jameer?? are we planning to play jameer of the ball and play both hinrich and jameer???

ofcourse in a vaccum with no outside concerns hinrich would make this team better .... but i dont know what i would give up to get him...

Gerhalt11 · Post #3 » by **Gerhalt11** » Wed May 21, 2008 8:34 pm

I know we all get excited in our naughty parts at the prospect of picking up every single PG in the league that we perceive as better than Jameer. But I seriously doubt that Otis bumps him to a backup role after signing him to a five-year extension.

We have bigger holes in our lineup than PG, anyway. Is Jameer a championship-caliber? Eh, 50/50. Is Maurice Evans a championship-caliber SG? 100% no. Let's keep that in mind with these trade threads.

NEM · Post #4 » by **NEM** » Wed May 21, 2008 9:36 pm

i dont know what to give up for him...hedo?? we better be getting tyrus thomas in return as well...jameer? how do we match the salaries? there are a lot of factors that play a role in this, and it would be really hard

OrlandoMagic · Post #5 » by **OrlandoMagic** » Wed May 21, 2008 11:26 pm

should we new poll thread asking if posters should stop making poll threads?

The Effect · Post #6 » by **The Effect** » Wed May 21, 2008 11:42 pm

How would we afford him?

AdamTheGreek · Post #7 » by **AdamTheGreek** » Thu May 22, 2008 12:00 am

Hinrich is WAY overrated, definitely not worth it.

NBAChamps2010 · Post #8 » by **NBAChamps2010** » Thu May 22, 2008 12:20 am

Gerhalt11 wrote:I know we all get excited in our naughty parts at the prospect of picking up every single PG in the league that we perceive as better than Jameer. But I seriously doubt that Otis bumps him to a backup role after signing him to a five-year extension.

We have bigger holes in our lineup than PG, anyway. Is Jameer a championship-caliber? Eh, 50/50. Is Maurice Evans a championship-caliber SG? 100% no. Let's keep that in mind with these trade threads.

Naughty parts. oh my! :oops:

Okay, I'm fairly new to this forum, but I thought the idea was for Magic fans to exchange ideas and post plausible deals. Something like Bogans for the #1 pick is possible, but hardly plausible. Hinrich on the other hand is a completely doable deal. Let's keep it in perspective folks. If any of us were "real" GMs we would be lying to each other right up till we draft and not posting our thoughts for the world to see.

The ESPN link below talks about young teams needing veteran leadership. As I look at the Chicago roster, the only grizzled veteran I see is Hughes. It's certainly plausible that they would be interested in a veteran like Battie to mentor their kids. Throw in some cash/filler and voila, you have a deal.

Would the Magic do it? Who's to say not. Brian Hill got them to the playoffs last season and thought he was "Mission Accomplished", just before he was shown the door. We need help at PG/SG/PF and VDW recently said he was serious about upgrading the team. Let's take him at his word.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2008...ion-080520

lovehoops01 · Post #9 » by **lovehoops01** » Thu May 22, 2008 12:40 am

Maybe I misunderstood the last post, but you want to trade Battie to the Bulls to help land Hinrich and that improves the Magic's power situation? As for Van Gundy, he said he needed to add a power player to knock guys around and find another scorer, someone who can create his own shot off the dribble. I didn't hear "point guard'' in there.

BassMaster · Post #10 » by **BassMaster** » Thu May 22, 2008 12:45 am

lovehoops01 wrote:Maybe I misunderstood the last post, but you want to trade Battie to the Bulls to help land Hinrich and that improves the Magic's power situation? As for Van Gundy, he said he needed to add a power player to knock guys around and find another scorer, someone who can create his own shot off the dribble. I didn't hear "point guard'' in there.

Sounds like he is talking about a PF/C someone who can help Howard on the boards at both ends and putting the ball back into the basket instead of letting other teams get that fast break on the Magic.
Battie is not that kind of big man who can run the courts that's his biggest problem that I see. With the draft the Magic can get his eventually replacement with a young banger who can run the courts and yes bang people around and help Howard.

lovehoops01 · Post #11 » by **lovehoops01** » Thu May 22, 2008 12:50 am

Call me crazy, but if Stan is calling draft picks "crapshoots,'' I'm not sure he's going to be counting a lot on a first-year player.

NBAChamps2010 · Post #12 » by **NBAChamps2010** » Thu May 22, 2008 12:55 am

lovehoops01 wrote:Maybe I misunderstood the last post, but you want to trade Battie to the Bulls to help land Hinrich and that improves the Magic's power situation? As for Van Gundy, he said he needed to add a power player to knock guys around and find another scorer, someone who can create his own shot off the dribble. I didn't hear "point guard'' in there.

How many games did Battie play last year? I read the quote, I believe it was Otis who said he wouldn't mind bringing in a forward with a "surly" disposition. Honestly, that's not Battie. Battie is a gentleman on and off the court. He was brought in by the Magic to mentor Dwight and the other young guys. He's done that exceptionally well. If we could get a very good PG for him and change we should do it in a heartbeat. Bring him back at the end of his career as a coach or in player development.

We still have the #22 pick, Phoenix's pick possibly for Redick, and the MLE to go fishing for our SG and PF.

EasternMagic · Post #13 » by **EasternMagic** » Thu May 22, 2008 2:01 am

AdamTheGreek wrote:Hinrich is WAY overrated, definitely not worth it.

+1. Do you guys remember what Hinrich did this season? Nothing. And we are not losing Nelson... i don't know when some of you guys are gonna understand.. he isn't going anywhere. The only move that MIGHT happen with him is losing the starting position.. and thats highly unlikely unless the perfect option comes, and Hinrich isn't that

EasternMagic · Post #14 » by **EasternMagic** » Thu May 22, 2008 2:04 am

NBAChamps2010 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Naughty parts. oh my! Okay, I'm fairly new to this forum, but I thought the idea was for Magic fans to exchange ideas and post plausible deals. Something like Bogans for the #1 pick is possible, but hardly plausible. Hinrich on the other hand is a completely doable deal. Let's keep it in perspective folks. If any of us were "real" GMs we would be lying to each other right up till we draft and not posting our thoughts for the world to see.

The ESPN link below talks about young teams needing veteran leadership. As I look at the Chicago roster, the only grizzled veteran I see is Hughes. It's certainly plausible that they would be interested in a veteran like Battie to mentor their kids. Throw in some cash/filler and voila, you have a deal.

Would the Magic do it? Who's to say not. Brian Hill got them to the playoffs last season and thought he was "Mission Accomplished", just before he was shown the door. We need help at PG/SG/PF and VDW recently said he was serious about upgrading the team. Let's take him at his word.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2008...ion-080520

Not really sure what you mean by that, but if in any way you are supporting BH than you just lost all credibility.

Post #15 » by **eyriq** » Thu May 22, 2008 2:43 am

If the Bulls are looking to trade Hinrich, then here is a trade that could help the Magic; (caution, you are about to enter the BS zone, tread with caution).

Chicago:
Out going players- Kirk Hinrich (to NYK); Thabo Sefolosha (to Orlando)
In coming players- Tony Battie (mentor role); Jason Collins (expiring); NYK #6

NYK:
Out going players- Zach Randolph (to Memphis); David Lee (to Orl); #6 (to Chi)
In coming players- Hedo Turkoglu (versatile wing); Kirk Hinrich (re-birth with D'antoni)

Memphis:
Out going players- Mike Miller (to Orlando); Jason Collins (to Chicago)
In coming players- Zach Randolph (big time post scoring threat); Orl #22

Orlando:
Out going players- Hedo Turkoglu (to NYK); Tony Battie (to Chi); #22 (to Memphis)
In coming players- Mike Miller (shooting guard); Thabo Sefolosha (versatile wing); David Lee

Magic roster after trade (guaranteed contracts only)
Nelson
Mike Miller, Thabo Sefolosha, Redick
Lewis
David Lee, Cook
Howard, Gortat

:thinking:

NBAChamps2010 · Post #16 » by **NBAChamps2010** » Thu May 22, 2008 12:43 pm

Easternmagic. My post was not in defense of Brian Hill. What I said was that he thought his job was secure after he made the playoffs. That apparently was what he was led to believe by management and ownership. Instead of a secure job he was left twisting in the wind until he was mercifully fired. The straight point is that when ownership and managemnt decide they need to improve the team, old promises or "understandings" can go out the window.

Now that we've tasted the 2nd round, VDW has committed to making the team better. The Magic have given us hints, but we really don't know for sure what moves they are planning to make. And that's why we can have some fun conjecturing here.

EasternMagic · Post #17 » by **EasternMagic** » Thu May 22, 2008 5:42 pm

NBAChamps2010 wrote:Easternmagic. My post was not in defense of Brian Hill. What I said was that he thought his job was secure after he made the playoffs. That apparently was what he was led to believe by management and ownership. Instead of a secure job he was left twisting in the wind until he was mercifully fired. The straight point is that when ownership and managemnt decide they need to improve the team, old promises or "understandings" can go out the window.

Now that we've tasted the 2nd round, VDW has committed to making the team better. The Magic have given us hints, but we really don't know for sure what moves they are planning to make. And that's why we can have some fun conjecturing here.

Well i can tell you for a fact jameer wont be going anywhere. I have this special ESP psychic thing.