Many teams interested in Chicagos Hinrich

[Bensational]

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Sure we do if we want to part with Jameer, which Otis doesn't, or Hedo, again Otis doesn't, and which they don't need. Or we could use draft picks to help facilitate a deal, but why should we put 15-20 Million into pg's when we have so many other needs? Chicago isn't willing to do that, have Rose and Hinrich at the same time, why should we? Because its redundant Rich, not because we don't have assets.

the only thing i can think of is a 3-way. but i can't think of a 3rd team that would want what we have and have what Chicago wants.

as you said Doc, Chicago's best off packaging for a real star. not splitting Hinrich's talent amonst several trade pieces (Jameer, JJ, draft pick etc).

[richboy]

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Sure we do if we want to part with Jameer, which Otis doesn't, or Hedo, again Otis doesn't, and which they don't need. Or we could use draft picks to help facilitate a deal, but why should we put 15-20 Million into pg's when we have so many other needs? Chicago isn't willing to do that, have Rose and Hinrich at the same time, why should we? Because its redundant Rich, not because we don't have assets.

The Bulls have 2 directions they could go in a Hinrich trade. They could use Hinrich in a straight trade to upgrade another position. The other possibility is they package Hinrich to go after a all-star superstar level player. Right now there a lot of proposed deals involving Hinrich for the likes of Carmelo or Elton Brand.

Knowing this why would Chicago want Jameer? The only benefit is he makes less but there going to have to take more salary in the process. There is no way Jameer can do defensively what the Bulls ask of there PGs. Remember because Ben Gordon is pretty much PG size they ask Hinrich to guard SGs. Something they likely ask of Rose as well should they trade Hinrich.

In reality there no way you could trade Hedo for Hinrich. Hedo is this teams second best player. There no way you can trade him for Kirk who is a lesser player. The point is to add Hinrich to what we have not to loose your second best player in the process. The Bulls have no real need for Hedo. Now if they were to loose Deng that could change but they still have Nocioni. I don't see the Bulls putting together a package for Turk.

Draft picks? There no way picks in the 20s can facilitate a trade for Kirk Hinrich. Dang every year there a few teams selling those picks for just cash. The Bulls are already one of the youngest teams in the NBA. If the Bulls trade Hinrich for draft picks there probably going to want atleast a lottery pick in the process.

I'm thinking what can the Magic offer for a straight trade. For example the Sonics could offer Chris Wilcox or Nick Collison. I could see what Denver could offer with the likes of JR Smith, Nene, perhaps even a Camby. I could see what Miami could offer in a straight deal with the likes of Haslem. We can't offer the Bulls a starting level player unless we give them one of our core player or another team gets involved.

[spinedoc]

You missed one Richboy. They might need to use Kirk to get more players back to fill their roster as well. There are scenarios to get Hinrich if we really wanted him and Chicago traded other assets besides Kirk for a big salary star player. If the Bulls traded say, Gooden(expiring contract), TT, a resigned Nocioni or Gordon, and draft picks for Brand, then they are going to need to get multiple players in a deal for Hinrich to have a full roster. Something like Jameer, JJ, Bogans or Cook, and at least two lottery protected firsts could then be attractive to them. Everything would have to fall into place for it to work, but its not because we lack assets. Its because we would be trying to upgrade a position that Otis has already solidified in his mind.

And if we used Hedo to make a deal, which is highly unlikey, it could look something like: Hedo and Battie for TT, Thabo and Gooden. But that would then mean they used Kirk in a trade to get Brand and Deng walks for nothing to a team like Philly, who could theoretically offer him the max right away. And, they resign Gordon, Khryapa and maybe Duhon too. A trade for Brand could be Kirk, and a resigned Nocioni with future draft picks, or even Noah, if Brand forced a deal to Chicago. Again, its not very likely, but not because of a lack of assets on our part, but because of fit for a perfect deal of all teams involved. The stars would have to align just right for things to work, not to mention the willingness of the three gm's to strike a deal. I only bring this up because of the shot you took about us not having assets to make a trade, which just isn't true.

[richboy]

Well I didn't talk about that possibility because I don't see the Bulls having to fill there roster. I don't see Chicago in a situation where they trade Hinrich for 2 lesser mediocre players. The Bulls already have a lot of talent.

The Bulls already have a 3 man rotation at guard with Gordon, Hinrich, and Hughes. Even if they trade Hinrich and draft Rose they still have a 3 man rotation of Gordon, Rose, Hughes. All 3 of which have a little combo guard in them and can play some Pg. There almost no reason for them to have Jameer. If the Bulls trade Gordon there not going to trade Hinrich. No Gordon then Hinrich will be the starting SG and backup PG.

Even if they did that trade I don't see why the Bulls are in a situation that they have to trade Hinrich to fill there roster. They will have Rose, Hinrich, and Hughes who all can play PG and SG. They still would have Thabo who also can play SG. He can also play SF with Deng and Nocioni if he is not traded. Just for note Nocioni is signed. Nocioni can also play PF. They would have Brand at PF and Noah at center. Perhaps they could use some depth up front but they still have MLE and other exceptions to get that if thats the case.

Lets just say all these things happened and the Bulls did need to start dumping players to fill there roster. They can still get much better for Hinrich that what your offering. Jameer, JJ, and Cook would struggle for playing time on the Bulls. Jameer at best would be looking at a future as a 15-20 minute backup. Thats why IMO this has a ton to do with assets. We don't have any. We have 2 real good assets. Dwight and Hedo. There no good young players. Not any good expiring contracts. No high draft picks.