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Will the magic screw up the upcoming draft again?

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Post#61 » by BassMaster » Tue May 13, 2008 4:33 pm

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Dwight is a top tier defender. We do not need a great defender or rebounder, we need a capable player at both. Arthur is a plenty capable defender and rebounder to play next to Dwight. Arthur also is a very skilled offensive player who can knock down jumpers. This is a huge deal because this team is built around punishing the double team.

If we drafted Lopez and play him next to Dwight, teams will double off of Lopez and Lopez's lack of offensive skill will be a killer. The couple extra rebounds would be negated by the lack of offensive skill and a jumper. Arthur will continue to improve and become more consistent, but he fits this team. and it is a must that our PF be able to knock down jump shots.


You really must love Arthur to keep on skipping the part where he is a terrible defender and just as bad rebounder yes he can score as long as he keeps mentally focused.
The Magic don't need a scorer they need defensive help on the boards they need to have the twin towers like one of the best Spurs teams ever had.
And that is not Arthur, several come to mind, but the best in that area is Robin Lopez. Best part is when Howard needed rest he could get it without the Magic having to go small as they have done everytime he has gone to the bench.
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Post#62 » by BassMaster » Tue May 13, 2008 4:38 pm

As NBA Champs 2010 said:

"They have been so image-conscious, tried to be so nice and polite like NBA boy scouts, that nobody fears them.

Maybe that's changing with this series, with every taunt and rant and shove by the Pistons.

President Bob Vander Weide says he has no problem with the team signing up a forward --- preferably a big --- who has a surly disposition."

Well that is Robin Lopez all 7 foot of him and emotion to play and defend up the ................ :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:
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Post#63 » by eyriq » Tue May 13, 2008 4:45 pm

I don't think the Magic go wrong in picking Lopez, but if Arthur is available they have to pick him. He has freakish ability and would compliment Dwight in the post. Lopez has neither.
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Post#64 » by Cammo101 » Tue May 13, 2008 6:08 pm

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You really must love Arthur to keep on skipping the part where he is a terrible defender and just as bad rebounder yes he can score as long as he keeps mentally focused.
The Magic don't need a scorer they need defensive help on the boards they need to have the twin towers like one of the best Spurs teams ever had.
And that is not Arthur, several come to mind, but the best in that area is Robin Lopez. Best part is when Howard needed rest he could get it without the Magic having to go small as they have done everytime he has gone to the bench.


You are talking like someone who has never seen Arthur play. He is absolutely not a bad defender or rebounder. I do not know where you got that information, but it is flat out wrong. Arthur is a better defensive player than Lopez is an offensive player. And that is the reason you take him. Darrell Arthur and Dwight would be sick on both ends of the floor. Dwight and Lopez wuld be sick on one end of the floor.

We could surely use Lopez in the right situation, but passing on Arthur for him would be a huge mistake. Not that it matters, because both will be gone by pick #22.
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Post#65 » by Cammo101 » Tue May 13, 2008 6:11 pm

eyriq wrote:I don't think the Magic go wrong in picking Lopez, but if Arthur is available they have to pick him. He has freakish ability and would compliment Dwight in the post. Lopez has neither.


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Post#66 » by DiplomaticMagic » Tue May 13, 2008 7:27 pm

Darrell Arthur being a terrible defensive player is laughable. He is a very solid defender.
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Post#67 » by magictreat » Wed May 28, 2008 8:55 pm

cougar13 wrote:As NBA Champs 2010 said:

"They have been so image-conscious, tried to be so nice and polite like NBA boy scouts, that nobody fears them.

Maybe that's changing with this series, with every taunt and rant and shove by the Pistons.

President Bob Vander Weide says he has no problem with the team signing up a forward --- preferably a big --- who has a surly disposition."

Well that is Robin Lopez all 7 foot of him and emotion to play and defend up the ................ :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:
As long as the DeVos family will own the team, we will always have a bunch of pussies for players. That image thing is a bunch of crap, to me.
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Post#68 » by sportsrock37 » Wed May 28, 2008 11:26 pm

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So you missed all of those second chance points because the Magic failed to block out and get those rebounds.
That part of the game really hurt the Magic badly.
So yes the Magic need a good PF to bang the boards and block out the other team from the boards.
Considering where the Magic come up on the draft there won't be any great pg's for the Magic. So asking them to waste their draft pick on another hamster is just stupid.


Sorry I didn't respond to your post sooner, I just read it.

No I didn't miss the 2nd chance points. They owned us on the glass. We are already adding 2 players at PF/C that will help with this problem in Tony Battie and Brian Cook. I know Cook isn't really a rebounder, but he would be better than having Turkoglu play PF when Shard and Dwight both sit.

Like I said before, I fully believe we are going to keep Turkoglu, which means that we will continue to start Rashard Lewis at PF. Him, Dwight, and Turkoglu each will play at least 35 minutes a game, so that means about 12-13 minutes each that we would need a big man to play. That would be 36-42 minutes at most of backup big men. I believe that Battie, Cook, Gortat, and Foyle would be able to give enough production for the 36-42 minutes. On the contrary as of now we have Keith Bogans and JJ Redick as our only 2 SG's on our roster and I really don't feel confident that they could produce in 48 minutes. So basically I have more confidence in Battie, Cook, Gortat, Foyle to produce more in less minutes than Bogans and JJ.

Also I never said I wanted a chipmunk at PG. Mario Chalmers is not a chipmunk, he's 6'2, plays good defense and can run an offense. We can not have Keyon Dooling be our backup PG. His off days our 2nd unit was absolutely terrible. I'd go with CDR/Rush before Chalmers now, but if Chalmers is available I would definitely have to consider him. I wouldn't want Ty Lawson. Chalmers would basically be the only PG that I would consider at this stage.

Also I agree with you basically one what we need out of a big man. We need them to focus on defense and rebounding. The only thing that I disagree with is HE HAS to have some kind of range and offensive ability. A Udonis Haslem or David Lee type player would be ideal. So given the situation I would probably take Darrell Arthur over Robin Lopez. I don't believe Arthur is as bad as you think defensively or rebounding. While he's not at Lopez's level, I agree with the person who says that Arthur's defense is better than Lopez's offense.

My dream draft would probably be buying 2 2nds.....
22-CDR/Rush
early 2nd-Hendrix or DJ White(I don't really want Dorsey)
mid to late 2nd-Jamont Gordon

That would fit all 3 of our needs with quality players.

I don't believe you can go wrong with any of these 3 positions and I probably won't be too disappointed if we took one of these positions with the top prospect we felt was on the board. I just feel that a quality SG/SF is the biggest need, then a backup PG, then a 3rd big man off the bench(5th big man in the rotation behind Dwight, Shard-since he starts at PF, Battie, Cook). I feel like the SG/SF would be required to play at least 20 minutes. The PG would be required to play 10-15 minutes. The big man would get 5-10 minutes off the bench. That's why I want to go SG/SF or Chalmers 1st and then buy a 2nd to get a big man.
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Post#69 » by NEM » Thu May 29, 2008 2:50 am

i think the only way we can screw this draft up is if cdr/rush/hibbert/walker are all gone by the time we pick... if one of those guys is still on the board by the time we pick i think we'll take him... there are 2 things that concern me though, 1 is if more than one of those is up there who do we pick? do we kick ourselves in the foot later on for drafting rush over cdr or cdr over hibbert? the second one is otis forfeiting the pick and saying "i like our team the way it is" (obvious sarcasm for those of you going "huh?", but i had to throw that in there)
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Post#70 » by BassMaster » Thu May 29, 2008 5:10 am

eyriq wrote:I don't think the Magic go wrong in picking Lopez, but if Arthur is available they have to pick him. He has freakish ability and would compliment Dwight in the post. Lopez has neither.


From what I read about Arthur it's the opposite of what you posted. Several of the mock drafts sounded like they were reading from the same information about Arthur here is what some of them said.

From HoopsHype
but is a poor rebounder. Not particularly active--has a tendency to coast too often, and is not always 100% focused on or off the court. Also a poor passer. Needs to add strength. Not always productive enough. Lots of potential, but will he achieve it?

From ESPN
Just a so-so rebounder. Still working on his ballhandling. A black hole. Once he gets the ball, he's going to shoot it.

From Draftexpress
Arthur has been one of the most inconsistent draft prospects we

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