Chad Ford Strikes Again...

[richboy]

The experts didn't tell us to draft them they knew that the Magic would draft them. I've said this before. The Magic try to hard to fix one weakness. If they can't shoot they spend draft picks and money on trying to get shooters. Trade for shooters. Do everything to get shooters. Its like the only reason they loss games is because they couldn't shoot. They ignore rebounding, perimeter defense, passing and just focus on 1 thing.

Billups ate up DA in the playoffs and the year before Baron had done the same. Suddenly its like we just had to take a big PG no matter what. They wanted to trade up for Dwade and Kirk Hinrich but couldn't. They ignored all other players because they wanted a big PG so they were always going to take Gaines.

Same thing happen with Redick. We were completely focused on shooting. Ronnie Brewer did everything better than Redick except for shoot. That didn't matter because our only weakness was shooting. JJ would have fallen into the twenties if the Magic didn't draft him. I remember an article coming out that if it wasn't the Magic Redick could be the last guy in the green room. Everyone knows how the Magic think thats why it gets very frustrating.

This is a year though they could go any direction in the draft. Mainly because whoever they draft is likely going to be third in the depth charts. They really have to find a steal that going to challenge the vets for playing time.

[eyriq]

The experts didn't tell us to draft them they knew that the Magic would draft them. I've said this before. The Magic try to hard to fix one weakness. If they can't shoot they spend draft picks and money on trying to get shooters. Trade for shooters. Do everything to get shooters. Its like the only reason they loss games is because they couldn't shoot. They ignore rebounding, perimeter defense, passing and just focus on 1 thing.

Billups ate up DA in the playoffs and the year before Baron had done the same. Suddenly its like we just had to take a big PG no matter what. They wanted to trade up for Dwade and Kirk Hinrich but couldn't. They ignored all other players because they wanted a big PG so they were always going to take Gaines.

Same thing happen with Redick. We were completely focused on shooting. Ronnie Brewer did everything better than Redick except for shoot. That didn't matter because our only weakness was shooting. JJ would have fallen into the twenties if the Magic didn't draft him. I remember an article coming out that if it wasn't the Magic Redick could be the last guy in the green room. Everyone knows how the Magic think thats why it gets very frustrating.

This is a year though they could go any direction in the draft. Mainly because whoever they draft is likely going to be third in the depth charts. They really have to find a steal that going to challenge the vets for playing time.

I agree.

[LBPTarHeel27]

The experts didn't tell us to draft them they knew that the Magic would draft them. I've said this before. The Magic try to hard to fix one weakness. If they can't shoot they spend draft picks and money on trying to get shooters. Trade for shooters. Do everything to get shooters. Its like the only reason they loss games is because they couldn't shoot. They ignore rebounding, perimeter defense, passing and just focus on 1 thing.

Billups ate up DA in the playoffs and the year before Baron had done the same. Suddenly its like we just had to take a big PG no matter what. They wanted to trade up for Dwade and Kirk Hinrich but couldn't. They ignored all other players because they wanted a big PG so they were always going to take Gaines.

Same thing happen with Redick. We were completely focused on shooting. Ronnie Brewer did everything better than Redick except for shoot. That didn't matter because our only weakness was shooting. JJ would have fallen into the twenties if the Magic didn't draft him. I remember an article coming out that if it wasn't the Magic Redick could be the last guy in the green room. Everyone knows how the Magic think thats why it gets very frustrating.

This is a year though they could go any direction in the draft. Mainly because whoever they draft is likely going to be third in the depth charts. They really have to find a steal that going to challenge the vets for playing time.

I agree with you to an extent...especially about Redick. However, we still need either a big PG or a PG that can play defense. If we are getting torn up on the defensive end by the other teams PG year after year...we will never win a title.

PG is where everything starts and ends. They are the floor leader and they set the tone. We need a PG that can come off the bench (I would say or start, but then the Jameer lovers would go crazy) who can lock down the other teams PG.

Until the time comes where we can take the other team out of what they are doing offensively (and you do that by containing the distributor), we are only going to be contenders...never champions.

[LBPTarHeel27]

But if you were to ask me what we should do in the draft, my opinion would be...

Why not trade JJ+22nd Pick+Rights to Fran to move up in the draft.

None of those things mean anything to us, but they could mean a lot to a team in need to shooting. They get Fran, a former 1st round talent (I don't buy that but whatever), with no financial obligation.

After the first 6 or 7 players go, maybe even less, the rest of the middle first round is a crap shoot. There is plenty of talent there and plenty of guys who could fall.

Couple Ideas (Don't think any are that realistic but look at how the Lakers got Gasol, might as well try):

Orlando Receives:
1st Round #8
Charlie Villanueva

Milwaukee Receives:
JJ Redick
Adonal Foyle
1st Round #22
2008 2nd Round Pick (One we would buy)
Future 1st Round Pick (Unprotected)
_______

Orlando Receives:
Mike Miller
1st Round #5

Memphis Receives:
Hedo Turkoglu
JJ Redick
Adonal Foyle
Rights to Fran Vazquez (Same agent as Darko I believe)
1st Round #22
2008 2nd Round Pick (One we would buy)
Future 1st Round Pick (Unprotected)

[richboy]

But if you were to ask me what we should do in the draft, my opinion would be...

Why not trade JJ+22nd Pick+Rights to Fran to move up in the draft.

None of those things mean anything to us, but they could mean a lot to a team in need to shooting. They get Fran, a former 1st round talent (I don't buy that but whatever), with no financial obligation.

After the first 6 or 7 players go, maybe even less, the rest of the middle first round is a crap shoot. There is plenty of talent there and plenty of guys who could fall.

Couple Ideas (Don't think any are that realistic but look at how the Lakers got Gasol, might as well try):

Orlando Receives:
1st Round #8
Charlie Villanueva

Milwaukee Receives:
JJ Redick
Adonal Foyle
1st Round #22
2008 2nd Round Pick (One we would buy)
Future 1st Round Pick (Unprotected)
_______

Orlando Receives:
Mike Miller
1st Round #5

Memphis Receives:
Hedo Turkoglu
JJ Redick
Adonal Foyle
Rights to Fran Vazquez (Same agent as Darko I believe)
1st Round #22
2008 2nd Round Pick (One we would buy)
Future 1st Round Pick (Unprotected)

Your not really offering an exciting package to move up. If your a team why would you want Fran V. One he not coming over. Two he not playing well where he is at.

What value does Redick have. He can't beat out Maurice Evans and Keith Bogans. He has had 2 coaches that wont play him. A gm is going to look at that and say why do we think he can beat out our SGs for playing time.

In reality you probably be happy getting second round picks for both of those players. Which is sad because were talking about 2 lottery picks. Fran V was drafted 1 spot behind Andrew Bynum. Bynum likely would not be traded for another center unless his name was Howard or Ming. Fran V one spot later would be lucky to go for a second round pick.

The Milwaukee deal is no way. There is no way they do that. The Memphis deal seems a little more realistic.

[Cammo101]

But if you were to ask me what we should do in the draft, my opinion would be...

Why not trade JJ+22nd Pick+Rights to Fran to move up in the draft.

None of those things mean anything to us, but they could mean a lot to a team in need to shooting. They get Fran, a former 1st round talent (I don't buy that but whatever), with no financial obligation.

After the first 6 or 7 players go, maybe even less, the rest of the middle first round is a crap shoot. There is plenty of talent there and plenty of guys who could fall.

Couple Ideas (Don't think any are that realistic but look at how the Lakers got Gasol, might as well try):

Orlando Receives:
1st Round #8
Charlie Villanueva

Milwaukee Receives:
JJ Redick
Adonal Foyle
1st Round #22
2008 2nd Round Pick (One we would buy)
Future 1st Round Pick (Unprotected)
_______

Orlando Receives:
Mike Miller
1st Round #5

Memphis Receives:
Hedo Turkoglu
JJ Redick
Adonal Foyle
Rights to Fran Vazquez (Same agent as Darko I believe)
1st Round #22
2008 2nd Round Pick (One we would buy)
Future 1st Round Pick (Unprotected)

Neither team would even consider this.

[LBPTarHeel27]

I am just saying that Otis should be throwing out offers left and right to move up.

[Cammo101]

I am just saying that Otis should be throwing out offers left and right to move up.

I'm sure he is looking at all possible situations. But, offering garbage for top 5 picks is not worth the breath it takes to do it.

[richboy]

Well he is offering Hedo in the second deal. Thats not exactly garbage. They have to give Mike Miller in return. Hedo is a better player than Miller. There getting 3 more picks which isn't bad. Its not a fair trade but its a lot better than the first offered one.

I could see a situation where Memphis could want to dump that pick. Especially if there is no one at that slot they they really like. This is a team that is under the cap and they may be hesitate to loose a few million dollars of there cap space on a player that there not really high on. This team has a ton of young players already so it would not shock me to see Memphis trade that pick. Mike Miller and #5 could be offered to a team before the draft. I just think they can do a little better than Hedo with that package.