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Post#21 » by y 2 a B » Thu May 29, 2008 7:12 pm

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Post#22 » by Devin 1L » Thu May 29, 2008 8:02 pm

If they really want to stop it, they need to add some sort of stiffer penalty once players cross a certain threshold -- sort of like technicals.

I can't imagine someone not flopping in an important game for fear of having a fine; the trade-off is likely well worth it. However, if after a certain threshold you face the prospect of being suspended for a game if caught, I can see that having an effect.

Perhaps they could keep track of them too, and include it as a statistic like they do with technical fouls. Maybe the fear of potential public embarrassment will help keep some of these grown men from flailing around like little rag dolls.
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Post#23 » by craig01 » Thu May 29, 2008 9:33 pm

I don't see how they are going to really be able to stop it.

If they really want to stop it, then just don't call it when it happens.

I'd like them first to figure out the difference between a block and a charge. And, then enforce that.
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Post#24 » by Bigmagicfan82 » Thu May 29, 2008 9:39 pm

I really wonder how much of an difference this rule will make. The reason I say that is because My friend that works for league use to be one of the people kept track of the flops for the league. During a game whenever he would see a flop he would mark it down, show it to his bosses, then they would collect all the plays, and they would send it up to the David Stern. He told me that a lot of times plays that he thought were definitely flops, his boss would disagree and say that it wasn't a flop. So for that reason they were never reviewed. So the whole question of if it is a flop on not comes down to the perception of two or more people. Then I wonder how many flops won't be caught by the league?

Well maybe they have a new standard for judging what is a flop and what is not. I'll ask my friend about it and see what he knows.
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Post#25 » by PimpORL » Thu May 29, 2008 9:45 pm

This was the best offseason news I could've asked for.
I can't think of a team that benefits from this more. Do ANY of our players flop? Dwight will win MVP next year. Book it.
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Post#26 » by Gerhalt11 » Thu May 29, 2008 9:47 pm

PimpORL wrote:Do ANY of our players flop?


Hedo will give the occasional performance, but as far as worst offenders in the league, he doesn't crack the top 20.
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Post#27 » by macdalejax » Thu May 29, 2008 9:59 pm

Whatever happened to "no blood, no foul" :P
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Post#28 » by Optimus_Steel » Thu May 29, 2008 10:16 pm

macdalejax wrote:Whatever happened to "no blood, no foul" :P



David Stern happend....
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Post#29 » by UCFJayBird » Thu May 29, 2008 10:52 pm

thank the lord!
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Post#30 » by Idunkonyou2 » Fri May 30, 2008 2:23 am

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Post#31 » by cjrwell22 » Fri May 30, 2008 3:09 am

this should be handled like soccer. they issue a yellow card if a dive is considered egregious. If a player is deemed to have flopped, he should be hit with a tech. Whats the point of a fine after the fact where it doesn't affect the outcome of a game?
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Post#32 » by UCFJayBird » Fri May 30, 2008 3:13 am

cjrwell22 wrote:this should be handled like soccer. they issue a yellow card if a dive is considered egregious. If a player is deemed to have flopped, he should be hit with a tech. Whats the point of a fine after the fact where it doesn't affect the outcome of a game?


players getting hit with enough of them will stop doing it because it'll effect them. Maybe the more times you get fined, the higher the fines. Plus the media will be reporting about fines, and that's just bad media for their teams and the players.

This is a great step in the right direction for the NBA.
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Post#33 » by Happyfoosball » Fri May 30, 2008 11:02 pm

What about when a guard invents contact? Will they get fined for that?
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Post#34 » by craig01 » Sat May 31, 2008 2:20 pm

Happyfoosball wrote:What about when a guard invents contact? Will they get fined for that?


The last thing the NBA needs to do is have more rules for interpretation.

Flop/no flop...fine/no fine.

Stupid.

If you want to stop the flops, then DON"T CALL THE FOUL.

Simple.
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Post#35 » by spinedoc » Sat May 31, 2008 6:00 pm

craig01 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-



The last thing the NBA needs to do is have more rules for interpretation.

Flop/no flop...fine/no fine.

Stupid.

If you want to stop the flops, then DON"T CALL THE FOUL.

Simple.


You would think so anyway. And, it gives the advantage to the man with the ball because he would not have a defender on him, or call the blocking foul. There is no crisis here, just a bad trend in the sport.
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Post#36 » by Devin 1L » Sat May 31, 2008 7:55 pm

craig01 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-



The last thing the NBA needs to do is have more rules for interpretation.

Flop/no flop...fine/no fine.

Stupid.

If you want to stop the flops, then DON"T CALL THE FOUL.

Simple.


I think that's exactly the point though -- they're having trouble distinguishing (in live play) the difference between some legit fouls and some flops. Essentially, it's like certain players are cheating by trying to dupe the refs.

In other words, I think they feel it is something that is un-fixable during the course of a live game (provided they didn't consult replay constantly, which would just be way too much), so they institute a fine for players who are later determined to have "cheated" during the course of a game by flopping, and were not caught when it happened (which would be the "don't call the foul" that you're referring to).

Like I said earlier, I feel is a step in the right direction, but I think you need to threaten them with stiffer penalties after they hit a certain (high) threshold. Seriously, if it's only a fine, what player who would otherwise normally flop, not flop if it had the potential to be a game deciding play? I don't think a simple fine will have any bearing in situations like this, and situations like this are the most important.
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Post#37 » by craig01 » Sat May 31, 2008 8:07 pm

I just don't think that fines and/or a review board does anything positive at all.

The Referee's CAN make the right call more often than not, but CHOOSE to enforce different standards based on who is it and what time of the game it is.

Officiating has always been THE significant flaw of the NBA.
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Post#38 » by mhectorgato » Sat May 31, 2008 9:40 pm

I wonder what the union will do to fight this ...
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