Zach Randolph?

[m23uza1hem36]

I don't think any GM really wanted 3-point shooting ball-hogged Randolph, who knows, I've heard my team wouldn't mind taking him (Detroit Pistons).

[Optimus_Steel]

If we trade for Zach now, next year we are gonna be the team desperately trying to unload him for another teams garbage because his negative tendencies out weight his positives.

[Dwightmare]

After hearing the flip side of the argument.....No again

[theTHIEF]

Hedo = 4 year Magician, teammate of Dwight, Nelson and now Lewis, a sounds player, quality person, a distributor for the team, a positive influence, a mellow personality, well liked by the team, committed to the team...

you really would sacrifice that for almost the perfect inverse?

[spinedoc]

When I first opened this thread I was ready to blast you like the rest of them, but drsd is right...we'd be getting a lot of quality without giving up much in return. I like Lee a lot at PF, and Randolph is talented despite his problems.

I think the potential for Randolph to screw with team chemistry dissuades Otis from doing a deal like this, but we'd certainly have won the trade if it went through.

I'd rather have a package of Crawford and D. Lee than Randolph and D. Lee though. Any potential of that happening?

Yeah, that one seems like a much better fit for us given Crawford's pg capabilities. I suppose I would try the Zach deal proposed while getting Gortat back after he cleared waivers. If all it took was bench fodder, I would give it a go. He would do better in our situation then he has in N.Y. and he was much better in Portland too. With only three years left, only two of them would be potential hell with his big expiring deal in the third year. Lee might be worth that alone as a worse case scenario. Its at least the direction that I would like to go in, getting a big pf next to Dwight while moving Lewis back to sf. Hedo could then play major minutes at 1-3 given the matchups.

[jonskilly]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7lvYf08X6tc&NR=1

[Nemesis21]

I'd only do the trade if it was Lee for Bogans, Cook and Vazquez or '09 2nd rd pick

[spinedoc]

I've got a counter offer for you Knick fans that I like better actually. How about Zach, Lee, and Balkman for Battie, Cook, Bogans, Redick, and the rights to Vazquez? And those dreaded words, wait for it,......... it works in the trade checker, lol. Thats much more incentive for us, and I think they would do almost anything to dump salary up there. We would look like this then:

pg-nelson,dooling,1/2mle
sg-hedo, c.lee
sf-lewis,balkman
pf-zach, d.lee
c-dwight,gortat,1/2mle

Otis won't go for it I know, but I like it.

[drsd]

I've got a counter offer for you Knick fans that I like better actually. How about Zach, Lee, and Balkman for Battie, Cook, Bogans, Redick, and the rights to Vazquez? And those dreaded words, wait for it,......... it works in the trade checker, lol. Thats much more incentive for us, and I think they would do almost anything to dump salary up there. We would look like this then:

pg-nelson,dooling,1/2mle
sg-hedo, c.lee
sf-lewis,balkman
pf-zach, d.lee
c-dwight,gortat,1/2mle

Otis won't go for it I know, but I like it.

What I love about your proposed roster is how long it could stay together. This is a mid-young team that would have a five year window. And even after Randolph goes postal, and he will, the Magic would be left with D. Lee.

p.s. There is no darn way in heck that the Kincks trade David Lee.

[UCF]

David Lee is about the only thing I'd want off the knicks roster besides the new rookie they just drafted. Randolph wouldn't just cost us his contract, but prolly double in the lux tax.

[trebone]

pull gortat and i might

[Knicksfan20]

I've got a counter offer for you Knick fans that I like better actually. How about Zach, Lee, and Balkman for Battie, Cook, Bogans, Redick, and the rights to Vazquez? And those dreaded words, wait for it,......... it works in the trade checker, lol. Thats much more incentive for us, and I think they would do almost anything to dump salary up there. We would look like this then:

pg-nelson,dooling,1/2mle
sg-hedo, c.lee
sf-lewis,balkman
pf-zach, d.lee
c-dwight,gortat,1/2mle

Otis won't go for it I know, but I like it.

Add in a lottery protected first and i am down. You guys are young...and getting 3 young players in the deal, we are rebuilding...you are raping us in terms of talent...i think we should get a pick back if u guys are getting balkman.


I really like Balkman...he hustles/rebounders/hes tough, can guard 3-4 positions. He had a very poor year last season due to Isiah **** with his minutes. And pulling him every time he would make a mistake.


Im really surprised Orlando fans dont like this trade. OMG we are losing money...o no....Ya...like you guys are the **** ones paying their salerys. When you can get an upgrade in talent like this, and not lose any of your core guys...then you guys should be happen.

I think Zach would be a good compliment to Dwight. Zach is also a pretty decent defender. Clyde praised him alot about his defense last season, he isnt a shotblocker/intimidator. But is at least average.(average defender, not average shotblocker/intimidator) And he seemed to pick up ALOT of steals for a bigman..i dunno about his nubers..but im pretty sure he probably averaged over a steal a game.

[lovehoops01]

I liked Randolph the year he was coming into the league. I was hoping he would fall to the Magic in the draft. But I don't like what he has become in the NBA. If he came here, Dwight would never get the ball. Randolph takes the shot every time he touches the ball. And I heard a lot more announcers bashing his defense last season than praising it. It's too bad. Kid came in with a nose for rebounding and an aggressive way of playing the game. Now, he's only aggressive about scoring. Spinedoc, I can't believe you would consider this. Dwight would be screaming to leave by Randolph's second season here and the Magic wouldn't be able to trade Zach. That's probably what Knicks fans are hoping for. If Randolph is all that, why aren't the Knicks looking to trade Curry instead?

[spinedoc]

I liked Randolph the year he was coming into the league. I was hoping he would fall to the Magic in the draft. But I don't like what he has become in the NBA. If he came here, Dwight would never get the ball. Randolph takes the shot every time he touches the ball. And I heard a lot more announcers bashing his defense last season than praising it. It's too bad. Kid came in with a nose for rebounding and an aggressive way of playing the game. Now, he's only aggressive about scoring. Spinedoc, I can't believe you would consider this. Dwight would be screaming to leave by Randolph's second season here and the Magic wouldn't be able to trade Zach. That's probably what Knicks fans are hoping for. If Randolph is all that, why aren't the Knicks looking to trade Curry instead?

I consider it because it requires such a little investment on our part. I have faith in Stan and I think he could do wonders for the kid. Isiah is such an idiot and he lost that team a long time ago and everyone just started free balling up there, trying to get their numbers with selfish play. Get a real coach in his head, and things might change a bit. If it didn't work out, then we still get a pf for the future and a really nice utility player. On the list of guys that we are sending out, the only one that I would miss would be Battie, but we all know his days are numbered. He's getting old and his body can't bounce back from these injuries like it used to. Honestly, if Lee and Balkman were making more money to make the salaries match for that list of players, I would still do the deal. Zach is a potential bonus is all, and a huge expiring in two years time. We will be over the cap for years to come, and Zach's contract could become a very nice asset then. The previous thread on a Zach deal had Hedo in it I believe, that I would not do, but its very tough to say no to this one.

[Knicksfan20]

I liked Randolph the year he was coming into the league. I was hoping he would fall to the Magic in the draft. But I don't like what he has become in the NBA. If he came here, Dwight would never get the ball. Randolph takes the shot every time he touches the ball. And I heard a lot more announcers bashing his defense last season than praising it. It's too bad. Kid came in with a nose for rebounding and an aggressive way of playing the game. Now, he's only aggressive about scoring. Spinedoc, I can't believe you would consider this. Dwight would be screaming to leave by Randolph's second season here and the Magic wouldn't be able to trade Zach. That's probably what Knicks fans are hoping for. If Randolph is all that, why aren't the Knicks looking to trade Curry instead?

1.Because Curry is our only Center...and we have a glut at the forward position...with

1.Randolph
2.Lee
3.Gallinari
4.Jeffries
5.Chandler
6.Richardson
7.Balkman

ect ect...Curr is our ONLY center...and he is acually working hard right now to get into running shape. He will probably be able to fit the run and gun system...Randolph can not. We want clear playing time for our young guys, Gallinari, Chandler...ect ect.

You guys should be happy Dwight wouldnt be able to get the ball anymore...only thing the dude can do is dunk, he has no low post moves whatsover...and if anything...This trade will make u better, cuz you got a team full of players who can shoot...and if teams double team on Dwight (zach requires double teams also) then that leaves open 3pt shots for your great shooters..You get to play Lewis in his natural position (seriouslly...pf? dude has sucked at the 4)

I liked Randolph the year he was coming into the league. I was hoping he would fall to the Magic in the draft. But I don't like what he has become in the NBA. If he came here, Dwight would never get the ball. Randolph takes the shot every time he touches the ball. And I heard a lot more announcers bashing his defense last season than praising it. It's too bad. Kid came in with a nose for rebounding and an aggressive way of playing the game. Now, he's only aggressive about scoring. Spinedoc, I can't believe you would consider this. Dwight would be screaming to leave by Randolph's second season here and the Magic wouldn't be able to trade Zach. That's probably what Knicks fans are hoping for. If Randolph is all that, why aren't the Knicks looking to trade Curry instead?

I consider it because it requires such a little investment on our part. I have faith in Stan and I think he could do wonders for the kid. Isiah is such an idiot and he lost that team a long time ago and everyone just started free balling up there, trying to get their numbers with selfish play. Get a real coach in his head, and things might change a bit. If it didn't work out, then we still get a pf for the future and a really nice utility player. On the list of guys that we are sending out, the only one that I would miss would be Battie, but we all know his days are numbered. He's getting old and his body can't bounce back from these injuries like it used to. Honestly, if Lee and Balkman were making more money to make the salaries match for that list of players, I would still do the deal. Zach is a potential bonus is all, and a huge expiring in two years time. We will be over the cap for years to come, and Zach's contract could become a very nice asset then. The previous thread on a Zach deal had Hedo in it I believe, that I would not do, but its very tough to say no to this one.

I definatly think this is a good trade for yall, and it just may be what you need to get you over the hump...and get you to the ECF...Now...knick fans would NOT trade Lee and Balkman for the same group of players...we would be stupid to do that, only reason we would give up Lee...is because you guys are taking Zach's salery, and you need a player to sweeten up the deal a bit.

You lose Battie..but get 3 forwards back...You guys had trouble inthe playoffs, because you had no depth

Randolph can play c/pf (backup center_
Lee can play C/pf (In a small lineup, Lee can do reallly well...he acually guarded shaq really good last season)
Balkman can play SG/SF/PF (of course balkman cant shoot..so SG may be a bad idea, but he can guard 3 positions)

[EasternMagic]

You mention that Randolph can't fit into the run the court like system.... while we dont do it as much as D'antoni did, we were probably one of the biggest running offenses in the East, so how does Randolph fit in with us?

[Bensational]

Im really surprised Orlando fans dont like this trade. OMG we are losing money...o no....Ya...like you guys are the **** ones paying their salerys. When you can get an upgrade in talent like this, and not lose any of your core guys...then you guys should be happen.

you guys got him, are you happy?

[Knicksfan20]

I would be if we didnt have to pay his salery.

We are trying to rebuild and get under the cap for 2010
you are trying to add talent and make it to the championship


There is a differnce

[EasternMagic]

I would be if we didnt have to pay his salery.

We are trying to rebuild and get under the cap for 2010
you are trying to add talent and make it to the championship


There is a differnce

What makes you think we want his salary? I mean no offense but this could potentially put us in the same boat you guys are in, picking up a guy like randolph with a huge contract.... who doesnt even really fit into our style of play... no thanks

[lovehoops01]

Well, Randolph didn't just start playing that way with the Knicks. There is a reason Nate McMillan wanted him off the Trail Blazers' roster, too. It wasn't all about his contract there.