Farewell Moe Harkless

[BadMofoPimp]

Magic could have gotten better at the deadline that what they got. GM's only have to add a pick to dump a player on $10 mil plus salaries, not chump change like Harkless was getting. And, Magic would be no where near salary cap trouble that they would be desperate to dump him. Be reasonable.

OKC just had to add a 2nd round pick + cash to dump Perry Jones and his $2M salary.

OKC = Luxury Tax which would triple Perry Jones salary to $6 mil this year.

Magic = Way under Salary Cap and like $20 mil away from Luxury tax with Moe's whole $2.9 mil salary.

Massive Difference.

[BadMofoPimp]

Moe plays defense and has a great 3 point percentage. He would be a hot commodity on a team overloaded with younger SF's and teams understand the logjam with the teams devotion to building other players is the reason why he wouldn't be playing.

Moe shot 17% from 3 last year. ****! LOL. Career 30% 3pt. I love Moe and will still root for him.

When Moe played more minutes, he shot .383%. But, when he played 5-15mpg and only shot 1 three pointer per game and that may be the only shot he gets the entire game due to idiot coaches, then I expect those shots not to fall.

[Nyce_1]

This is so obvious and people here are blind to it as they dream of Henny's brilliance and mastermind tactician abilities. Henny did not shop Harkless. Moe's agent approached Portland and demanded a trade as Portland is very thin at the SF spot with ONLY Aminu and some guy named Allen Crabbe there. Moe is in a contract year and this is his last year to prove himself. Thus, Henny did Moe AND his agent a "Personal Favor". Perhaps, this may come back to help Henny some day while negotiating future deals with this agent or perhaps not being Henny gave up on this agents player.

I agree with this. Instead of dicking Moe and Kyle when they weren't gonna get much PT, it appears at least Rob helped get them to solid situations where they can continue their growth. Yeah, sucks not getting much value for them, but it lines up with the take-care-of-your-family mantra within this organization.

[BadMofoPimp]

Oh please. If the teams you "guarantee" were actually offering a 2016 second rounder for Harkless, why didn't Henny take that mystery team up on that offer?

This is so obvious and people here are blind to it as they dream of Henny's brilliance and mastermind tactician abilities. Henny did not shop Harkless. Moe's agent approached Portland and demanded a trade as Portland is very thin at the SF spot with ONLY Aminu and some guy named Allen Crabbe there. Moe is in a contract year and this is his last year to prove himself. Thus, Henny did Moe AND his agent a "Personal Favor". Perhaps, this may come back to help Henny some day while negotiating future deals with this agent or perhaps not being Henny gave up on this agents player.

I don't disagree with you about Henny doing Harkless a favor by sending him to another rebuilding team that has time to develop him. Harkless needs the minutes that are available in Portland going into a contract year. I still think Harkless could still become a rotational quality player someday, but what we got for him confirms his value for a rebuilding team willing to take a flyer on him.

I agree with everything you said outside the Value for a Rebuilding team to take a flyer on him. I reckon he would have great value to a rebuilding team whom has no legitimate starter at SF. Moe could excel playing with Dillard.

[BadMofoPimp]

This is so obvious and people here are blind to it as they dream of Henny's brilliance and mastermind tactician abilities. Henny did not shop Harkless. Moe's agent approached Portland and demanded a trade as Portland is very thin at the SF spot with ONLY Aminu and some guy named Allen Crabbe there. Moe is in a contract year and this is his last year to prove himself. Thus, Henny did Moe AND his agent a "Personal Favor". Perhaps, this may come back to help Henny some day while negotiating future deals with this agent or perhaps not being Henny gave up on this agents player.

I agree with this. Instead of dicking Moe and Kyle when they weren't gonna get much PT, it appears at least Rob helped get them to solid situations where they can continue their growth. Yeah, sucks not getting much value for them, but it lines up with the take-care-of-your-family mantra within this organization.

Hopefully, their agents pay us back in the future.

[Nyce_1]

This is so obvious and people here are blind to it as they dream of Henny's brilliance and mastermind tactician abilities. Henny did not shop Harkless. Moe's agent approached Portland and demanded a trade as Portland is very thin at the SF spot with ONLY Aminu and some guy named Allen Crabbe there. Moe is in a contract year and this is his last year to prove himself. Thus, Henny did Moe AND his agent a "Personal Favor". Perhaps, this may come back to help Henny some day while negotiating future deals with this agent or perhaps not being Henny gave up on this agents player.

I agree with this. Instead of dicking Moe and Kyle when they weren't gonna get much PT, it appears at least Rob helped get them to solid situations where they can continue their growth. Yeah, sucks not getting much value for them, but it lines up with the take-care-of-your-family mantra within this organization.

Hopefully, their agents pay us back in the future.

its a relationship business and our FO is building the reputation of a good organization to play for. Favorable trades and some overpay to FAs should help us when we need it. Fingers crossed.

[ezzzp]

I agree with this. Instead of dicking Moe and Kyle when they weren't gonna get much PT, it appears at least Rob helped get them to solid situations where they can continue their growth. Yeah, sucks not getting much value for them, but it lines up with the take-care-of-your-family mantra within this organization.

Hopefully, their agents pay us back in the future.

its a relationship business and our FO is building the reputation of a good organization to play for. Favorable trades and some overpay to FAs should help us when we need it. Fingers crossed.

don't forget that Magic took back no salary or cap hold...that space would be needed in a trade that absorbs salary.

[tiderulz]

This is so obvious and people here are blind to it as they dream of Henny's brilliance and mastermind tactician abilities. Henny did not shop Harkless. Moe's agent approached Portland and demanded a trade as Portland is very thin at the SF spot with ONLY Aminu and some guy named Allen Crabbe there. Moe is in a contract year and this is his last year to prove himself. Thus, Henny did Moe AND his agent a "Personal Favor". Perhaps, this may come back to help Henny some day while negotiating future deals with this agent or perhaps not being Henny gave up on this agents player.

Moe's agent "demanded" a trade? he has no leverage to demand anything. That it was done, and why i dont know, was good will by the team.

[AddiFB]

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Messed up the words, tho...

[BadMofoPimp]

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Messed up the words, tho...

Look at guys grinning like Thieves!!!

[ORLMagicGirl15]

While I don't that Hennigan got the best deal for both Harkless and O'Quinn (I'm really going to miss him), I am very happy that he traded them to situations that are favorable for the players. Harkless have a chance to play in Portland and O'Quinn now has a contract that can help out his family, although getting as much as he did for a second round pick was great too in my opinion. I just hope the two players thrive.

[Catledge]

My guess is that we did Hark a favor not to improve our image with his agent or the rest of the league but to make his friends who are still on the team happy. And I doubt very much that it was a huge favor. We might have held out for a medium-quality second round pick, which I think is worth less than the good will of guys we expect to be with the organization for a long time.

[fendilim]

I think every year there's this player in the league people are expecting to breakout... like Anthony Randolph, Tyrus Thomas... etc... I think Moe is this. lol.

[Optimus_Steel]

This is so obvious and people here are blind to it as they dream of Henny's brilliance and mastermind tactician abilities. Henny did not shop Harkless. Moe's agent approached Portland and demanded a trade as Portland is very thin at the SF spot with ONLY Aminu and some guy named Allen Crabbe there. Moe is in a contract year and this is his last year to prove himself. Thus, Henny did Moe AND his agent a "Personal Favor". Perhaps, this may come back to help Henny some day while negotiating future deals with this agent or perhaps not being Henny gave up on this agents player.

Moe's agent "demanded" a trade? he has no leverage to demand anything. That it was done, and why i dont know, was good will by the team.

Hark has been known to sulk and complain. I remember how he complained that it was his right to get playing time and such when JV was not playing him. One of my first thoughts when we signed Skiles was that Hark was going to be in his doghouse fairly early because of his attitude. One of the reasons could be that he was sent packing was his sulking attitude given he was not going to play hardly if ever. You don't want guys sulking around when you are trying to win. I wish him luck in Port but he will have to really change his mindset and attitude if he wants to stay in the league.

[tiderulz]

This is so obvious and people here are blind to it as they dream of Henny's brilliance and mastermind tactician abilities. Henny did not shop Harkless. Moe's agent approached Portland and demanded a trade as Portland is very thin at the SF spot with ONLY Aminu and some guy named Allen Crabbe there. Moe is in a contract year and this is his last year to prove himself. Thus, Henny did Moe AND his agent a "Personal Favor". Perhaps, this may come back to help Henny some day while negotiating future deals with this agent or perhaps not being Henny gave up on this agents player.

Moe's agent "demanded" a trade? he has no leverage to demand anything. That it was done, and why i dont know, was good will by the team.

Hark has been known to sulk and complain. I remember how he complained that it was his right to get playing time and such when JV was not playing him. One of my first thoughts when we signed Skiles was that Hark was going to be in his doghouse fairly early because of his attitude. One of the reasons could be that he was sent packing was his sulking attitude given he was not going to play hardly if ever. You don't want guys sulking around when you are trying to win. I wish him luck in Port but he will have to really change his mindset and attitude if he wants to stay in the league.

oh,i dont disagree that it would be in HArk's best interest, and ours too, for the move to Portland. I just dont think that he or his agent had any cache to "demand" anything.

[OrlandO]

Moe plays defense and has a great 3 point percentage. He would be a hot commodity on a team overloaded with younger SF's and teams understand the logjam with the teams devotion to building other players is the reason why he wouldn't be playing.

Moe shot 17% from 3 last year. ****! LOL. Career 30% 3pt. I love Moe and will still root for him.

When Moe played more minutes, he shot .383%. But, when he played 5-15mpg and only shot 1 three pointer per game and that may be the only shot he gets the entire game due to idiot coaches, then I expect those shots not to fall.

Isn't that the problem though? Hark needed big minutes to make 1 wide open three a game... that's not going to cut it. He lacks the motor to consistently produce as a starter and his ceiling is looking like a career backup at this point. If he can't hit threes in limited minutes then what good is he? That form is not helping either... it is so stiff and slow. I'm not sure he could even replicate that 38% again if given the opportunity. And while I agree the coaches sucked, Hark wasn't exactly showing much of a pulse as a starter or bench player. Bad coaches didn't prevent the rest of our core from playing like they belong in the league. After Hark's rookie year he started playing with the confidence and demeanor of doron lamb... he only has himself to blame.

[SD2042]

Not sure if this was posted previously.

http://www.basketballinsiders.com/video-portland-introduces-maurice-harkless/

[Nyce_1]

Portland's GM said we get a TPE out of the deal; is this accurate because since we're under the cap, I though any TPE we'd receive would instantly go away. Hoping one of our gurus can help me out.

[Optimus_Steel]

Portland's GM said we get a TPE out of the deal; is this accurate because since we're under the cap, I though any TPE we'd receive would instantly go away. Hoping one of our gurus can help me out.

Aren't both teams under the cap? I thought in that scenario there wouldn't be a TPE.

Did we use a TPE in the Anthony Randolph trade last year? I know we sent the rights to Milovan Rackovic but I wonder if we sent something else?

[MoMM]

Portland's GM said we get a TPE out of the deal; is this accurate because since we're under the cap, I though any TPE we'd receive would instantly go away. Hoping one of our gurus can help me out.

Aren't both teams under the cap? I thought in that scenario there wouldn't be a TPE.

Did we use a TPE in the Anthony Randolph trade last year? I know we sent the rights to Milovan Rackovic but I wonder if we sent something else?

IIRC, we got a TPE in that trade.