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[mojosodope]

i like it too. but 19 shots and not a single FT? 38 shots over the past 2 games and no FT's. He has got to do some work inside and get some fouls called against opposing centers if we are going to go far.

Why do you think that stat is imperative for a center to have and why do you think that will limit the Magic from future success?

I'm pretty conflicted when it comes to some of these advanced stats and Vuc. The only way I can make some sense of a stat like that is...

There are a limited number of possessions in an NBA game (this season it is about 96). If hypothetically Vuc took all of your team's shots, you would have less points than if a lot of players in the NBA took your all of your opponents shots.

I dunno, it would be nice for him to get more free throws, but some people need to calm down. Maybe his long 2's will continue to open up more of his game like it did against the Knicks where we even saw him driving.

[OrlChamps2030]

Very nice win. I just love it when Vucevic dominates, so beautiful to watch. Fournier looked more confident tonight and didn't hesitate too much or pass great looks, Oladipo played under control mostly (but he really should be given the responsibility to run the offense because he's not good at it at all), and Mario was excellent. I really liked Harris's defense on Melo, melo got his, but harris really made him work for it and he made so many tough fadeaways.

i like it too. but 19 shots and not a single FT? 38 shots over the past 2 games and no FT's. He has got to do some work inside and get some fouls called against opposing centers if we are going to go far.

it is pretty crazy, i have no clue how a guy so skilled has so much trouble getting to the line. he is on pace for one of the worst FTR seasons ever for a big that is somewhat of a go-to option on his team.

[ezzzp]

i like it too. but 19 shots and not a single FT? 38 shots over the past 2 games and no FT's. He has got to do some work inside and get some fouls called against opposing centers if we are going to go far.

Why do you think that stat is imperative for a center to have and why do you think that will limit the Magic from future success?

I'm pretty conflicted when it comes to some of these advanced stats and Vuc. The only way I can make some sense of a stat like that is...

There are a limited number of possessions in an NBA game (this season it is about 96). If hypothetically Vuc took all of your team's shots, you would have less points than if a lot of players in the NBA took your all of your opponents shots.

I dunno, it would be nice for him to get more free throws, but some people need to calm down. Maybe his long 2's will continue to open up more of his game like it did against the Knicks where we even saw him driving.

As long as his TS% and Off Efficiency are good it doesn't really matter. Of course it would be a nice bonus for him to get more calls. But its not like he's Oladipo or EP in high USG / low efficiency...so its a non issue.

Vuc's individual Offensive Efficiency (points per 100 possessions) is 110 - that's Tim Duncan offensive efficiency territory. With him on the floor the Magic's Offensive Efficiency is 105. That is fourth for NBA center's having played + 20 games and averaging + 25 mpg.

If he was a high volume, low % shooter I could see the need for him to draw more fouls or shoot 3's to keep the efficiency numbers up. But that's not Vuc.

[CraZyPraiZ]

Vuc needs to work on getting stronger. He gets pushed out by more physical players. Most of the time he is fading away when near the basket but I'm not complaining. We lose without him last night and we are 16-12. Who'd of thunk it? Go Magic!!!

[seeingstars]

If he was Drummond or Deandre Wed be happy he doesn't get fouled

[tiderulz]

i like it too. but 19 shots and not a single FT? 38 shots over the past 2 games and no FT's. He has got to do some work inside and get some fouls called against opposing centers if we are going to go far.

Why do you think that stat is imperative for a center to have and why do you think that will limit the Magic from future success?

because it causes other teams to get in foul trouble. Gets a player like Whiteside, Gasol, etc out of the game or hesistant to be aggressive on defense because they have fouls on them.

[ezzzp]

i like it too. but 19 shots and not a single FT? 38 shots over the past 2 games and no FT's. He has got to do some work inside and get some fouls called against opposing centers if we are going to go far.

Why do you think that stat is imperative for a center to have and why do you think that will limit the Magic from future success?

because it causes other teams to get in foul trouble. Gets a player like Whiteside, Gasol, etc out of the game or hesistant because they have fouls on them.

Eh - if hoping the other team's players foul out or are in foul trouble is a team's strategy to win a game then they aren't going far anyhow.

[tiderulz]

Why do you think that stat is imperative for a center to have and why do you think that will limit the Magic from future success?

because it causes other teams to get in foul trouble. Gets a player like Whiteside, Gasol, etc out of the game or hesistant because they have fouls on them.

Eh - if hoping the other team's players foul out or are in foul trouble is a team's strategy to win a game then they aren't going far anyhow.

we watched it with Dwight. He would get opposing teams big men in foul trouble by playing down low. And teams would do that against us, trying to get Dwight into foul trouble. Our center is averaging 1.5 FTA a game. Thats 45th..for centers. multiple backup centers average more FTA than he does. Shoot, our own backup center Dedmon averages more FTA per game.

[SOUL]

Besides having one of the lowest free throw rates in history for centers being one incentive to get better (I mean, our team as a whole must be better) drawing fouls, getting free points basically (because he's a good free throw shooter), not always having to depend on your shot going in which will be hit or miss. Depending on an offensive skill-set predicated mostly on jumpers is super flimsy, no matter how good he is at it.

That or adding threes will take his offense to a whole 'nother level.

[ezzzp]

because it causes other teams to get in foul trouble. Gets a player like Whiteside, Gasol, etc out of the game or hesistant because they have fouls on them.

Eh - if hoping the other team's players foul out or are in foul trouble is a team's strategy to win a game then they aren't going far anyhow.

we watched it with Dwight. He would get opposing teams big men in foul trouble by playing down low. And teams would do that against us, trying to get Dwight into foul trouble. Our center is averaging 1.5 FTA a game. Thats 45th..for centers. multiple backup centers average more FTA than he does. Shoot, our own backup center Dedmon averages more FTA per game.

Dwight took nearly everyone of his shots in the paint - totally different player - totally different NBA era. Plus teams wanted to foul Howard. FT rate for centers that can't shoot FT's tends to be dramatically higher than for bigs that make their FT's. The last thing team's want to do is foul Vuc.

Would it be nice if Vuc got more free throws? sure why not. Is it critical to the team's success? No, definitely not.

Now the Oladipo FT rate...that is problematic.

[tiderulz]

Eh - if hoping the other team's players foul out or are in foul trouble is a team's strategy to win a game then they aren't going far anyhow.

we watched it with Dwight. He would get opposing teams big men in foul trouble by playing down low. And teams would do that against us, trying to get Dwight into foul trouble. Our center is averaging 1.5 FTA a game. Thats 45th..for centers. multiple backup centers average more FTA than he does. Shoot, our own backup center Dedmon averages more FTA per game.

Dwight took nearly everyone of his shots in the paint - totally different player - totally different NBA era. Plus teams wanted to foul Howard. FT rate for centers that can't shoot FT's tends to be dramatically higher than for bigs that make their FT's. The last thing team's want to do is foul Vuc.

Would it be nice if Vuc got more free throws? sure why not. Is it critical to the team's success? No, definitely not.

Now the Oladipo FT rate...that is problematic.

we will just disagree here.

[SOUL]

I'd say FT are critical to any player, especially ones that don't shoot threes to offset it.

You're basically requiring them to play a perfect game which we all know is damn hard when the other team is trying to throw you off.

[ezzzp]

I'd say FT are critical to any player, especially ones that don't shoot threes to offset it.

You're basically requiring them to play a perfect game which we all know is damn hard when the other team is trying to throw you off.

They are more important to some players than others. Its why efficiency matters.

[OrlandoDream]

Has there been any update on Elfs ankle?

[paperboymafia]

Missed the game and I'm not a "read the entire thread to catch up type" - what happened to Elf?

Broke leg. Out 4-6 Months. . .

I fail to see the humour here. But as you were.

[ezzzp]

There are few players in the league that combine Vucevic’s volume and efficiency in the post along with deep range on their jumper. Only seven players have finished more possessions with post-up shots, turnovers, or fouls drawn this season than Vucevic, per Synergy Sports, and among the 14 players with at least 100 such possessions, only three (Kevin Love, Dirk Nowitzki, and Carmelo Anthony) have been more efficient.

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[Last Guardian]

Had to watch the Knicks broadcast because I live in NJ and LP was blacked out for me. Anyway, I watched the knicks post game and Wally Sczerbiak had some very nice things to say. Kind of got me even more pumped for this team. He said the team the Magic have assembled are big, athletic, fast and talented, and that we get to wherever we want on the floor. And we are extremely well coached and dangerous team.