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Re: Demarcus Cousins Trade Ideas Thread 

Post#41 » by NavalAviator94 » Tue Jan 19, 2016 8:01 pm

ezzzp wrote:
Blue_and_Whte wrote:
ezzzp wrote:Divac said this last week.



Cousins has not asked to be traded. Randave, Karl, and Divac have continuously said there is no way Cousins will be traded. Cousins is under contract through 2018. Reporters have continuously stated that Sac front office doesn't respond to other GM's phone calls that bring up Cousins.

Yet there is continued conversation about Magic trading for Cousins on this board...Am I missing something?
The fact that you're on a message board(?) where people share their hopes and dreams no matter how unrealistic. :wink: In all seriousness, I wouldn't care what Divac said last week, I'd swing for the fences and make the offer anyway.


Lol Ok. I'm positive Rob Hennigan and every other GM have working relationships with each other and agents to gauge the level availability of every player they would like to have. If he is remotely "available," Rob is aware.

Outside of fantasy, lets consider wether Rob Hennigan would or wouldn't trade for Demarcus. I'm sure he values Cousins, as his talent is evident. But does Rob value him enough and are the conditions in place that he would risk his career? My opinion is no.

Cousins is a volatile and emotional personality, if this was a draft scenario or if he was secured in longterm contract, I have no doubt Rob would roll the dice on him. But the fact (as in legal binding contract) is that Cousins will be an unrestricted free agent in two summers.

Cousins will have very little attachment to the Magic organization. There would be no real connection with his teammates, since he didn't come up the ranks with them and no connection to the community, since he didn't choose to live there.

Within one year, Demarcus Cousins' free agency will become a dominant headline in the NBA. The disruptive force of that, as we Magic fans know all too well, is serious and can fracture a team and its aspirations...and that's before Cousins even thinks in his mind to stay or go.

Then consider the assets lost to acquire him in a trade...and no its not what Magic fans wouldn't mind losing. That is a franchise player being exchanged, it will cost the Magic several of their most valued assets and more.

Combine that with the very high possibility that he walks in two years, and there goes Rob Hennigan's rebuild. The franchise and the key assets from a half decade of tanking instantly flushed down the toilet. The city of Orlando, the franchise and Magic fans all over the world are forced to relive the Dwightmare/Shaq disasters once again.

Is that a bet you take? I don't. Cousins is good, but the volatility of his free agency is not a stable enough terrain to invest in and certainly not one that I gamble my future on.



Nice Post. I agree, no way does Cousins ever come to Orlando. If we were a strong veteran team that would keep him in check, maybe and that's a big maybe but definitely not a young rebuilding team. And let's not forget who his agent is either. There is no trust with Dan Fegan. The most I could see is that we are a facilitator with another team who ultimately ends up with him or any of those around him, depending on what they do to clean up that situation.
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Re: Demarcus Cousins Trade Ideas Thread 

Post#42 » by ezzzp » Tue Jan 19, 2016 9:11 pm

Blue_and_Whte wrote:In regards to his contract situation I agree that, that portion of the scenario makes it a little risky. The other factors are conjecture imo and considering the alternative which is waiting around as a treadmill team for a player of that caliber to fall into our lap I would rather Hennigan take that risk because its not going to happen through the draft.

I could very easily say he could come here and love the community, teammates, coaches and re-sign here and it would have just as much a chance of happening as your scenario does. I don't think the slight possibility of Dwightmare happening again should prohibit Hennigan from making a move. Mind you I'm in support of obtaining a player of Cousins caliber it doesn't have to be Cousins, he just seems to be the most attainable imo.


You are right that is conjecture, but fact is this franchise has had two centers leave and burn the house down on the way out the door.

You would have to be very naive to think that doesn't factor into the franchise's decision making process when trading away their best assets for a notoriously troubled center that will be hitting free agency in two summers.

Like I said if the call was about just adding talent, sure...but Cousin's free agency makes it a huge franchise crushing level of risk that I do not see the Devos family letting RH make if he even wanted to.
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Re: Demarcus Cousins Trade Ideas Thread 

Post#43 » by ezzzp » Tue Jan 19, 2016 9:21 pm

NavalAviator94 wrote:
Nice Post. I agree, no way does Cousins ever come to Orlando. If we were a strong veteran team that would keep him in check, maybe and that's a big maybe but definitely not a young rebuilding team. And let's not forget who his agent is either. There is no trust with Dan Fegan. The most I could see is that we are a facilitator with another team who ultimately ends up with him or any of those around him, depending on what they do to clean up that situation.


Oh yea, I totally forgot he was with Fegan as well...yea that makes it even less likely Magic ownership would ever be on board with it.
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Re: Demarcus Cousins Trade Ideas Thread 

Post#44 » by King Close » Tue Jan 19, 2016 9:29 pm

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thelead wrote:You're right about me not wanting him to begin with. He was winning me over with the tough talk but he never follows through. He lost me after his 3rd, 4th, or 5th lineup change threat.

As far as DmC goes, I agree 100%. I'm not giving up Dipo, AG, Payton or Hezonja. Dipo and AG are my absolute untouchables.


The Kings def are not trading him but just for arguments sake Im wondering why Henzonja is untouchable. So if the price was Voch+ Henzonja and our first rounder you would say no? (Obviously that's not enough for Cousins but Im just wondering)


Obviously, I would do that trade but Hezonja has a skill we desperately need and I would rather hold on to him. Like I said Dipo and AG are my only absolute untouchables.

What's the point of gutting your team for a star if you have nothing else after the trade?

At least with Dipo and AG, I can count on defense and intensity. Throw in a star and we should be good to go.


Yeah, but how do we get that star?
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Re: Demarcus Cousins Trade Ideas Thread 

Post#45 » by Nemesis21 » Wed Jan 20, 2016 12:16 am

For the love of God, please no! Stay away from this guy.
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Re: Demarcus Cousins Trade Ideas Thread 

Post#46 » by mbn23 » Wed Jan 20, 2016 10:11 pm

In all reality, DMC could easily be replaced by a decent PF. WCS is more or less the same size as DMC. When Sactown drafted him, he was the best player available. When you suck, you generally take the bpa.

So add that to the rumor of Cleveland being interested in Frye, that could help in some trade avenue if the Magic were interested in him.

This while keeping Vooch.

Cleveland trades some filler player(s) to open up a spot, as well as a future 1st (say 2018 1-5 protected)

Sac trades DMC, Caron Butler (salary dump) both to Orlando

Magic trade Frye (to Cleve), Harris (to Sac), Nicholson (Sac) a future pick (2017 1-7 protected) and rights to swap picks in 2018
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Re: Demarcus Cousins Trade Ideas Thread 

Post#47 » by Melvinlocker » Wed Jan 20, 2016 11:04 pm

Reasons to avoid Cousins:

Among players who played at least 20 Minutes per game and at least 300 total minutes this season Cousins ranks (199 qualifying players so far this season):
-7th in turnovers per 36
-6th in personal fouls per 36
-173rd in eFG%

Additional Stats-
-1st in USG%
-4th in technical fouls
-1 ejection (tied for 2nd with multiple players)
-Team win %- 42.5%

Does this look like a winning player to you?

Demarcus is talented, but he needs to get his head screwed on straight. He can make a compelling case for most productive big in the NBA, but he runs away with the title of least efficient big in the NBA. He's not worth what we would have to give up. We would have to deplete all of our assets and try to build a contender within 2 and 1/2 years before he decides to leave for LA. That's not a sustainable brand of basketball.

Our team is playing .500 ball with games against Philly and Charlotte coming up. We have lots of young talent and we don't need to cash that in for someone like Cousins. Let the talent we have develop and if a winning level talent becomes available then we'll do our best to grab them.
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Post#48 » by Bensational » Wed Jan 20, 2016 11:28 pm

IMO, the Magic need to take the opportunity of a guy like Cousins/Love being available not to trade for them, but to use in a 3-way to get someone more suited to the team's mentality, direction and future.

You want to send Cousins/Love somewhere like New York for Porzingis (where I'd imagine they'd rather see Melo teamed up with a ready now player like DMC or Love than Porzingis - who despite being an amazing prospect, probably won't be at contending level whilst Melo is still in his prime). Or send them to Chicago and we get Butler + Portis. Or Clippers for Griffin. Or Portland for McCollum + Plumlee + Vonleh. Or Utah for Gobert/Favors + Hood/Burks. Or Boston for Brooklyn's pick + Olynyk/Crowder.
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Post#49 » by MagicStarwipe » Wed Jan 20, 2016 11:37 pm

No way the Knicks trade Porzingis. The city of New York has fallen completely in love with him. I think their franchise is more worried about his future at this point than Melo's supposed desire to win now. I say supposed because if he really wanted to win now, he wouldn't have re-signed in New York.

But I too wouldn't touch Love and would have massive trepidation about acquiring Cousins. Give me a Cauley-Stein or Myles Turner.
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Re: Demarcus Cousins Trade Ideas Thread 

Post#50 » by Bensational » Thu Jan 21, 2016 12:10 am

MagicStarwipe wrote:No way the Knicks trade Porzingis. The city of New York has fallen completely in love with him. I think their franchise is more worried about his future at this point than Melo's supposed desire to win now. I say supposed because if he really wanted to win now, he wouldn't have re-signed in New York.

But I too wouldn't touch Love and would have massive trepidation about acquiring Cousins. Give me a Cauley-Stein or Myles Turner.


Yeah, fair enough, I wouldn't blame NYK for valuing Porzingis over Melo.

Yep, I'd take a Turner or WCS, and I'd gladly ship out Fournier or Harris to get it done. That's not to say I don't like or value either of those guys, I just like what the other two could bring to our team much more - and we've got the depth to make them expendable.

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