Magic Turn down deal for Jimmy Butler

[NEM]

Something to consider when comparing Jimmy Butler to our current guys....

Player W 3 Year Span...
1. 5.3 Pts, 0.9 Reb, 1.2 Ast, 49% FG, 40% 3PT
2. 8.4 Pts, 2.7 Reb, 1.5 Ast, 42% FG, 38% 3PT
3. 12.0 Pts, 2.6 Reb, 2.1 Ast, 44% FG, 38% 3PT

Player X 3 Year Span...
1: 2.6 Pts, 1.3 Reb, .3 Ast, 40% FG, 18% 3PT
2: 8.6 Pts, 4.0 Reb, 1.4 Ast, 47% FG, 38% 3 PT
3: 13.1 Pts, 4.9 Reb, 2.6 Ast, 40% FG, 28% 3PT

Player Y 3 Year Span...
1. 13.8 Pts, 4.1 Reb, 4.1 Ast, 42% FG, 33% 3PT
2. 17.9 PPG, 4.2 Reb, 4.1 Ast, 44 FG%, 34% 3PT
3. 14.3 Pts, 4.6 Reb, 4.0 Ast, 42% FG, 35% 3 PT

Player Z 3 Year Span...
1. 14.6 Pts, 7.0 Reb, 1.3 Ast, 46% FG, 25% 3PT
2. 17.1 Pts, 6.3 Reb, 1.8 Reb, 47% FG, 36% 3PT
3. 13.7 Pts, 7.0 Reb, 2.0 Ast, 46% FG, 31% 3PT

One is Jimmy Butler...the other three reside on our roster. Who can solve the equation without being the lame guy who goes and looks it up?

W: Fournier
X: Butler
Y: Oladipo
Z: Harris

[PennytoShaq]

It this rumor was true and the other player was Vucevic, hell no.

After that, it's about what the pick was.

You really wouldn't trade Vuc and Oladipo for Jimmy Butler? I would do that before the fax made it through the machine. Jimmy Butler is not even in his prime and is playing at an all-star level on both sides of the ball. We desperately need a player of that caliber.

I still refuse to believe the Bulls would offer us such an amazing deal. It can't be possible.

Vucevic is the Magic's best player a borderline all-star AND one of the best post threats in the league. Getting rid of him for a wing guy and no other post threat makes no sense (IMO).

Its not just a wing guy. Its a star wing who scores over 20 PPG and plays elite defense.We can sign a post threat over the summer.

[PennytoShaq]

Comparing stats between guys with drastically different minutes and usage rates and not making any effort to clean up the data is not helpful.

Exactly right. And really when you look at what Butler did once he got the same amount of minutes our guys did - well that speaks for itself.

[Skin]

I don't believe this rumor. Doesn't make sense.

[JF5]

You really wouldn't trade Vuc and Oladipo for Jimmy Butler? I would do that before the fax made it through the machine. Jimmy Butler is not even in his prime and is playing at an all-star level on both sides of the ball. We desperately need a player of that caliber.

I still refuse to believe the Bulls would offer us such an amazing deal. It can't be possible.

Vucevic is the Magic's best player a borderline all-star AND one of the best post threats in the league. Getting rid of him for a wing guy and no other post threat makes no sense (IMO).

Its not just a wing guy. Its a star wing who scores over 20 PPG and plays elite defense.We can sign a post threat over the summer.

What post threat are you alluding to? You saying just "Sign one" isn't very insightful. Its very hard to find one, especially of Vucevic's caliber.

[King Close]

I wouldn't do the trade (I doubt very highly that it is a true report). It makes no sense for Chicago, and it makes no sense for us being that they "asked" for to much. Sure we'd be getting a star player which we need badly - but we'd also be getting rid of the majority of our core, and they likely asked for Aaron to be included, which I believe will be better than Butler.

[NBlue]

This kind of "reporting" annoys me. The guy who "reported" it via "CommunitySportReport" then proceeds to post a reaction via his personal twitter handle saying "Interesting....Why? Butler would have been a game changer. " Give me a break. Then the cherry on top is the other player involved is "either Frye or Vooch" -- how would one ever arrive at that type of an answer with the relative trade values of those two being night and day.

This isn't journalism. This is why bloggers get a bad name.

[ButchMcRae]

This kind of "reporting" annoys me. The guy who "reported" it via "CommunitySportReport" then proceeds to post a reaction via his personal twitter handle saying "Interesting....Why? Butler would have been a game changer. " Give me a break. Then the cherry on top is the other player involved is "either Frye or Vooch" -- how would one ever arrive at that type of an answer with the relative trade values of those two being night and day.

This isn't journalism. This is why bloggers get a bad name.

Agreed with everything you just said. This has already been claimed false by @stevekyler and a few other reporters I trust. No way Chicago would part ways with Jimmy. There's a line of players Chicago is willing to get rid of and Jimmy is no where near that line.

[magicman112]

This kind of "reporting" annoys me. The guy who "reported" it via "CommunitySportReport" then proceeds to post a reaction via his personal twitter handle saying "Interesting....Why? Butler would have been a game changer. " Give me a break. Then the cherry on top is the other player involved is "either Frye or Vooch" -- how would one ever arrive at that type of an answer with the relative trade values of those two being night and day.

This isn't journalism. This is why bloggers get a bad name.

Agreed with everything you just said. This has already been claimed false by @stevekyler and a few other reporters I trust. No way Chicago would part ways with Jimmy. There's a line of players Chicago is willing to get rid of and Jimmy is no where near that line.

Exactly, someone just posted it on a FB group I'm in. Just makes zero sense why Chicago would want to trade their leading scorer and someone who they just signed to a multi year deal only this past summer. They could do a lot better than what we would supposedly be sending them if they really did want to move him.

[npiper17]

This kind of "reporting" annoys me. The guy who "reported" it via "CommunitySportReport" then proceeds to post a reaction via his personal twitter handle saying "Interesting....Why? Butler would have been a game changer. " Give me a break. Then the cherry on top is the other player involved is "either Frye or Vooch" -- how would one ever arrive at that type of an answer with the relative trade values of those two being night and day.

This isn't journalism. This is why bloggers get a bad name.

Agreed with everything you just said. This has already been claimed false by @stevekyler and a few other reporters I trust. No way Chicago would part ways with Jimmy. There's a line of players Chicago is willing to get rid of and Jimmy is no where near that line.

If you trust Steve Kyler then man, I don't know what to tell you.

[magicman112]

This kind of "reporting" annoys me. The guy who "reported" it via "CommunitySportReport" then proceeds to post a reaction via his personal twitter handle saying "Interesting....Why? Butler would have been a game changer. " Give me a break. Then the cherry on top is the other player involved is "either Frye or Vooch" -- how would one ever arrive at that type of an answer with the relative trade values of those two being night and day.

This isn't journalism. This is why bloggers get a bad name.

Agreed with everything you just said. This has already been claimed false by @stevekyler and a few other reporters I trust. No way Chicago would part ways with Jimmy. There's a line of players Chicago is willing to get rid of and Jimmy is no where near that line.

If you trust Steve Kyler then man, I don't know what to tell you.

Around the Magic group I've been in for years we call him "A guy named Steve"

[NBlue]

This kind of "reporting" annoys me. The guy who "reported" it via "CommunitySportReport" then proceeds to post a reaction via his personal twitter handle saying "Interesting....Why? Butler would have been a game changer. " Give me a break. Then the cherry on top is the other player involved is "either Frye or Vooch" -- how would one ever arrive at that type of an answer with the relative trade values of those two being night and day.

This isn't journalism. This is why bloggers get a bad name.

Agreed with everything you just said. This has already been claimed false by @stevekyler and a few other reporters I trust. No way Chicago would part ways with Jimmy. There's a line of players Chicago is willing to get rid of and Jimmy is no where near that line.

If you trust Steve Kyler then man, I don't know what to tell you.

Clearly, this has nothing to do with Steve Kyler and how credible he is or is not. It has to do with an alleged "journalist" making up a rumor online and then attempting to pass it off as gospel. The whole thing is absurd.

[TreasureCoast]

Just look at Steve Kyler's new Twitter profile picture and that will tell you all you need to know about him.

[npiper17]

Agreed with everything you just said. This has already been claimed false by @stevekyler and a few other reporters I trust. No way Chicago would part ways with Jimmy. There's a line of players Chicago is willing to get rid of and Jimmy is no where near that line.

If you trust Steve Kyler then man, I don't know what to tell you.

Clearly, this has nothing to do with Steve Kyler and how credible he is or is not. It has to do with an alleged "journalist" making up a rumor online and then attempting to pass it off as gospel. The whole thing is absurd.

Clearly, I'm making the point that citing Steve Kyler as a comparison of a journalist you trust is not an example worth giving.

[PennytoShaq]

Is there a journalist anybody trusts besides Woj? I am not saying this bulls rumor is true but it seems anyone who posts anything about Magic rumors on twitter is roasted here. I take it as good reads and not as gospel. I find Kyler's articles entertaining if anything. If we didn't have these guys writing, we would basically have nothing because nobody as big as Woj is going to dedicate a lot of time to Magic trade rumors.

[MostValuableGM]

http://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/6669943

This deal works -

Rose
Fournier
Harris
Pau
Noah

Payton
Oladpio
Butler
Gordon/Portis
Vouch

[Blue_and_Whte]

Agreed with everything you just said. This has already been claimed false by @stevekyler and a few other reporters I trust. No way Chicago would part ways with Jimmy. There's a line of players Chicago is willing to get rid of and Jimmy is no where near that line.

If you trust Steve Kyler then man, I don't know what to tell you.

Clearly, this has nothing to do with Steve Kyler and how credible he is or is not. It has to do with an alleged "journalist" making up a rumor online and then attempting to pass it off as gospel. The whole thing is absurd.

This happens every year and we never learn. Some blogger shows up out of no where with some unrealistic, throw **** at the wall and hopes it sticks, type of trade scenario. Worst case scenario people will remember his name good or bad and he'll get hits on his blog. Wojo is in the only guy I trust.