Is the Scott Skiles Offense the Issue

[rcklsscognition]

Is this real?

http://www.nydailynews.com/archives/sports/jason-doesn-kidd-ex-coach-skiles-article-1.620471

Jason Kidd says he has no problems with Byron Scott. However, he doesn't have any love for another former coach - Scott Skiles. "I really don't care about him," Kidd said before he hit a clutch three-pointer and a free throw in the final 27.

8 seconds last night to defeat Skiles' Bulls. "He always wanted to be me. He always thought he was better than me but that is just the way it goes with Skiles.

" Kidd first displayed his distaste for Skiles, who was an NBA point guard for 10 years, during his first encounter against Skiles on Dec. 5, 2001. During the Nets' 106-87 victory, an emotional Kidd taunted Skiles and shouted profanities at him on the Suns bench after he hit a big three-point shot in the second half. Last night, he drilled another three-point dagger, but did not taunt Skiles. He missed his first four shots and was scoreless until his three-pointer with 27.

[ezzzp]

Is this real?

http://www.nydailynews.com/archives/sports/jason-doesn-kidd-ex-coach-skiles-article-1.620471

Jason Kidd says he has no problems with Byron Scott. However, he doesn't have any love for another former coach - Scott Skiles. "I really don't care about him," Kidd said before he hit a clutch three-pointer and a free throw in the final 27.

8 seconds last night to defeat Skiles' Bulls. "He always wanted to be me. He always thought he was better than me but that is just the way it goes with Skiles.

" Kidd first displayed his distaste for Skiles, who was an NBA point guard for 10 years, during his first encounter against Skiles on Dec. 5, 2001. During the Nets' 106-87 victory, an emotional Kidd taunted Skiles and shouted profanities at him on the Suns bench after he hit a big three-point shot in the second half. Last night, he drilled another three-point dagger, but did not taunt Skiles. He missed his first four shots and was scoreless until his three-pointer with 27.

It is...and so is this :

http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/brooklyn-nets/post/_/id/19596/history-of-jason-kidds-past-incidents

Here's a history of Kidd's past incidents:

• When he was a freshman at Cal, Kidd reportedly instigated a mutiny that led to Lou Campanelli’s firing.

• In the mid-1990s, Kidd feuded with Dallas teammate Jim Jackson, which led to him demanding a trade. Kidd ultimately ended up in Phoenix. (read elsewhere that it was because Jackson dated singer Toni Braxton who Kidd liked)

• In January 2001, Kidd was arrested for hitting his now ex-wife Joumana. He pleaded guilty to spousal abuse and was fined $200 and ordered to take anger management training. He was eventually traded to the Nets.

• In 2004, Kidd helped run New Jersey coach Byron Scott out of town. The point guard screamed at Scott during a December 2003 locker room tirade.

• In December 2007, Kidd reportedly went “on strike” by complaining of a migraine and missing a game against the Knicks. He then asked out and was traded back to the Mavericks.

• In a 2008 playoff game against the Hornets, Kidd was ejected after a flagrant foul for flipping Jannero Pargo. He was not suspended.

• In 2010, Kidd intentionally ran into Atlanta coach Mike Woodson on the sideline during a game. He drew a technical foul on Woodson as a result. The move essentially won the game for the Mavericks. Gamesmanship or something else?

• In the summer of 2012, Kidd gave Dallas a verbal commitment to re-sign. But he later decided to spurn the Mavericks and depart for New York for a similar deal. Kidd retired just one season into his two-year contract with the Knicks.

• A little more than a week after joining the Knicks, Kidd was charged with driving while intoxicated after he crashed his SUV into a utility pole on Long Island. He eventually pleaded guilty and was later suspended for the first two regular-season games of his coaching career.

• In late November 2013, Kidd was involved in the infamous “sodagate” incident, when he told guard Tyshawn Taylor to “hit him” while he was holding a cup of soda, which fell and had to be cleaned up. The Nets didn’t have any timeouts at the time. Kidd was fined $50,000 by the NBA for his actions.

• After being hired by the Nets as coach, Kidd wanted to bring in his former coach, Lawrence Frank, as his assistant and mentor. The Nets made Frank the highest paid assistant in NBA history by giving him a six-year, $6 million contract with the possibility to move into the front office. It turned out to be a disaster. In November, Kidd reportedly used a 13-letter word in an expletive-filled rant at Frank. Just 17 games in, following a 5-12 start, Frank was reassigned to daily reports.

• On Saturday night, news broke that Kidd had made a failed power play with the Nets and was in discussions about becoming the next coach of the Milwaukee Bucks. The Nets traded Kidd’s coaching rights to the Bucks in exchange for two second-round picks on Monday.

[ezzzp]

moved to around the league thread

[Xatticus]

You should read the whole discussion before commenting on it.

What an erroneous and inconsequential assumption on your part.

[ezzzp]

You should read the whole discussion before commenting on it.

What an erroneous and inconsequential assumption on your part.

good answer

[Xatticus]

You should read the whole discussion before commenting on it.

What an erroneous and inconsequential assumption on your part.

good answer

Then I will expand. It means that I have read the thread, and that the fact that I did is entirely meaningless to the point in question.

[ezzzp]

What an erroneous and inconsequential assumption on your part.

good answer

Then I will expand. It means that I have read the thread, and that the fact that I did is entirely meaningless to the point in question.

that's an even better answer

[MagicStarwipe]

ezzzp, I made a sig just for you

[Bensational]

What offense did Skiles run with Phoenix and Jason Kidd? Kidd was just as poor at shooting as EP is, but they found a way to get 50+ wins out of him and Marion multiple times. And Kidd wasn't surrounded by gun 3pt shooters, either.

The game has changed since then, but surely there's a halfway point we can find that will suit EP more and still be relevant to the current play of the league.

The offense didn't win that team 50+ wins, Skiles #2 ranked defense won those games.

There is a reason that Kidd didn't win a ring until he was 37 and despite being in the playoffs for most of his 22 year career only made it past the first round a handful of times and past the 2nd 3 times.

Well the team obviously played some kind of offense, which worked well enough to win them games along with their defense. What was that offense?

And Kidd was also in the finals in back to back seasons, so you're not painting him in the right light with that second statement. And again, a poor shooting PG was able to be a part of an offense on a contending team.

I want to know why we can't embrace some of that for Elf, that's all.

[ezzzp]

What offense did Skiles run with Phoenix and Jason Kidd? Kidd was just as poor at shooting as EP is, but they found a way to get 50+ wins out of him and Marion multiple times. And Kidd wasn't surrounded by gun 3pt shooters, either.

The game has changed since then, but surely there's a halfway point we can find that will suit EP more and still be relevant to the current play of the league.

The offense didn't win that team 50+ wins, Skiles #2 ranked defense won those games.

There is a reason that Kidd didn't win a ring until he was 37 and despite being in the playoffs for most of his 22 year career only made it past the first round a handful of times and past the 2nd 3 times.

Well the team obviously played some kind of offense, which worked well enough to win them games along with their defense. What was that offense?

And Kidd was also in the finals in back to back seasons, so you're not painting him in the right light with that second statement. And again, a poor shooting PG was able to be a part of an offense on a contending team.

I want to know why we can't embrace some of that for Elf, that's all.

Offense was 22nd in NBA. If Kidd was even just a little better offensively he would have multiple championships, but his shot killed his teams.

Regardless, Kidd was one of the savviest PG's to ever play the game, super high BB IQ with out of this world court vision plus vicious toughness on the defensive end...and very aggressive personality on and off the court...he had all that coming into the league. Thats something you either have or you don't and its the difference between a good PG and a HOFer.

I am a huge fan of EP, but he doesn't have that kind of personality and he does not have the type of court vision. Kidd's defense could change a game - last year I though EP might be on track for that aspect of game. My hopes for EP are that he becomes a very good 3-D point guard / floor general. But I don't see him having the type of intensity that carried Kidd and his team to those finals appearances despite his shooting woes.

[NBlue]

In the real world there is no way to objectively measure whether someone is a "good coach". There are innumerable statistics that could be used in assisting one make the determination but based on the fact there are only 30 NBA head coaches out there and every situation is different there is quite simply no objective measure to accurately provide an answer. Subjectivity must come into play. If your opinion is that you can objectively determine who is a better coach by looking at winning percentage my sense is that is rather naive. And I don't think you are saying that -- you are noting that it needs to be placed into "context" but then that context requires subjectivity.

To answer your question, I haven't watched enough of Jason Kidd and Jeff Hornacek's teams games to tell you whether I think they are good coaches. I do think Brad Stevens is a very good coach. Very, very good. To come back to Skiles, I guess if he is such a wonderful coach -- why was he completely out of basketball for 3 years. If he was so great why wasn't he involved in the NBA in some manner? When you couple that with the negative offensive statistics, recent history, and things you hear in the commentary from the insiders who cover the sport (see, eg, recent Lowe Post pod) I think its difficult to be particularly positive about Skiles as our coach.

All that said, I hope you are right and I am totally wrong. Maybe Skiles is the solution and will lead us to a bright and winning future. I just doubt it.

How is the gap between coaching stints an indicator of wether a coach is good or bad? You know what other coach stayed out of coaching for 3 years? Stan Van Gundy. Who also did nothing related to coaching except the occasional tv appearance where that outlet was hoping on catching one of SVG's entertaining rants and complaints about the sport.

The sooner you stop expecting Skiles to be the Steve Kerr coach that puts the finishing touches on a contender the better you'll understand his role. He is the Mark Jackson coach, the one that forges a loosy goosy lottery team with some young talent into a mature and defensively tough cohesive unit...it took Jackson 3 seasons to do that.

First, SVG was to be offered an ESPN job that was only pulled by Stern. He appeared on multiple shows commentating on the NBA and had a regular weekly spot on a national ESPN radio show. Skiles was sitting on his freaking couch. You comparing SVG to Skiles is pretty funny.

Second, the notion that you need to bring in a "Mark Jackson" coach before you can bring in a "Steve Kerr" coach is equally amusing. Why? You think Kerr wouldn't have done a good job with the Warriors if he took over when Jackson did? I don't expect Skiles to be Kerr -- I expect him to be what he is -- a very mediocre coach in the bottom 20% of coaches in the NBA. What I would like is a coach that has a chance to be good though that seems unlikely in light of the present ownership of our team and its history.

[ezzzp]

In the real world there is no way to objectively measure whether someone is a "good coach". There are innumerable statistics that could be used in assisting one make the determination but based on the fact there are only 30 NBA head coaches out there and every situation is different there is quite simply no objective measure to accurately provide an answer. Subjectivity must come into play. If your opinion is that you can objectively determine who is a better coach by looking at winning percentage my sense is that is rather naive. And I don't think you are saying that -- you are noting that it needs to be placed into "context" but then that context requires subjectivity.

To answer your question, I haven't watched enough of Jason Kidd and Jeff Hornacek's teams games to tell you whether I think they are good coaches. I do think Brad Stevens is a very good coach. Very, very good. To come back to Skiles, I guess if he is such a wonderful coach -- why was he completely out of basketball for 3 years. If he was so great why wasn't he involved in the NBA in some manner? When you couple that with the negative offensive statistics, recent history, and things you hear in the commentary from the insiders who cover the sport (see, eg, recent Lowe Post pod) I think its difficult to be particularly positive about Skiles as our coach.

All that said, I hope you are right and I am totally wrong. Maybe Skiles is the solution and will lead us to a bright and winning future. I just doubt it.

How is the gap between coaching stints an indicator of wether a coach is good or bad? You know what other coach stayed out of coaching for 3 years? Stan Van Gundy. Who also did nothing related to coaching except the occasional tv appearance where that outlet was hoping on catching one of SVG's entertaining rants and complaints about the sport.

The sooner you stop expecting Skiles to be the Steve Kerr coach that puts the finishing touches on a contender the better you'll understand his role. He is the Mark Jackson coach, the one that forges a loosy goosy lottery team with some young talent into a mature and defensively tough cohesive unit...it took Jackson 3 seasons to do that.

First, SVG was to be offered an ESPN job that was only pulled by Stern. He appeared on multiple shows commentating on the NBA and had a regular weekly spot on a national ESPN radio show. Skiles was sitting on his freaking couch. You comparing SVG to Skiles is pretty funny.

Second, the notion that you need to bring in a "Mark Jackson" coach before you can bring in a "Steve Kerr" coach is equally amusing. Why? You think Kerr wouldn't have done a good job with the Warriors if he took over when Jackson did? I don't expect Skiles to be Kerr -- I expect him to be what he is -- a very mediocre coach in the bottom 20% of coaches in the NBA. What I would like is a coach that has a chance to be good though that seems unlikely in light of the present ownership of our team and its history.

First Stan Van Gundy did not coach for three years - that is the only thing that matters. You have absolutely zero knowledge of what Skiles or SVG were doing with their lives in those periods. Stop your nonsensical allusions that you have some insight into their personal lives.

That you base your assessment of Skiles on a % based on your own opinion shows how bad your assessment is. If you use % such as winning %, Skiles is 16th amongst currently active coaches; he is 29th in winning % amongst coaches that have coached a single game in the NBA since 2003; he is 96th in winning % amongst all 321 coaches to ever coach in the history of the NBA.

check for yourself: http://www.basketball-reference.com/coaches/NBA_stats.html

Nobody knows if Kerr would have done a good job.

Its one thing to coach a lottery team full of young players and low level veterans; and a whole other thing to walk into a coaching job where the team is a top 5 defense, a super deep roster with multiple 20+ ppg options including one of the best shooters ever in NBA - Steph Curry.

Until Kerr is in that position, nobody knows if he has that skill set...and it is a unique skill set, just like the ability to coach a team with stars and the ego's and payroll that matches. Rarely do the two abilities overlap...how many coaches in the NBA ever in its history have taken a tanking strategy / high lottery team to a championship victory?

[Catledge]

I don't love Skiles, but I think it's obviously absurd to blame him for all of our problems. We have a starting lineup that includes three guys who don't spread the floor and three guys who are below-average defenders.

I won't shed a tear if Skiles gets fired, but there is no coach who is going to be able to put lipstick on that pig. Either the players we have need to significantly expand their skills, or we need new players. Otherwise, our team will still smell like it spends all of its time rolling in mud and poop, and any coach we hire will look like a lousy pig farmer.

[ezzzp]

What offense did Skiles run with Phoenix and Jason Kidd?

I was thinking about your question Ben...maybe instead we should look at how Doc Rivers used Rajon Rondo and how that roster was built. Obviously they had hall of famers and that can't be replicated, but lets look at the skillsets and roles surrounding Rondo in that championship year + add context of different time / competition:

PG: Rajon Rondo Elfrid Payton | Eddie House
SG: Ray Allen Mario Hezonja | Tony Allen Victor Oladipo
SF: Paul Pierce
PF: Kevin Garnett | James Posey
C: Kedrick Perkins | Glen Davis

R Rondo: elite defender, elite unselfish passer
E House: 3pt sniper back up level point guard

R Allen: high volume high efficiency shooter, adequate defender
T Allen: elite defender (split volume time at both 2-3), terrible at offense

P Pierce: elite scorer (3pt, post, mid range, clutch), all around good player that could initiate offense, pass, rebound, and defend

K Garnett: elite defender (PnR / rim protection), highly efficient and effective volume scorer (20+ppg), could defend 4-5
J Posey: stretch 4, good defender, below avg rebounder

K Perkins: good defensive center, very bad offensive player
G Davis: good defender (4-5's), good screen setter, average offensive

...what is Aaron Gordon? I want him to be Paul Pierce but reality is he's probably somewhere between Garnett/Pierce. Not an elite scorer, not able to defend bigger front court players (at least not yet and its unclear if he ever will).

...Vucevic picks up the scoring load that KG carried but not the defensive load. He is the inverse of KP. KP was there to slow Howard, Duncan, Bynum/Gasol etc. who dominated that era.

...again we seem to arrive at the forward position as the crucial position that makes this roster work...a player or two that distributes the skill sets found in Boston's formula.

Seems to me the Magic need is a slightly bigger version of AG at PF and/or a more natural elite scoring version of AG at SF..

[Bensational]

What offense did Skiles run with Phoenix and Jason Kidd?

I was thinking about your question Ben...maybe instead we should look at how Doc Rivers used Rajon Rondo and how that roster was built. Obviously they had hall of famers and that can't be replicated, but lets look at the skillsets and roles surrounding Rondo in that championship year + add context of different time / competition:

PG: Rajon Rondo Elfrid Payton | Eddie House
SG: Ray Allen Mario Hezonja | Tony Allen Victor Oladipo
SF: Paul Pierce
PF: Kevin Garnett | James Posey
C: Kedrick Perkins | Glen Davis

R Rondo: elite defender, elite unselfish passer
E House: 3pt sniper back up level point guard

R Allen: high volume high efficiency shooter, adequate defender
T Allen: elite defender (split volume time at both 2-3), terrible at offense

P Pierce: elite scorer (3pt, post, mid range, clutch), all around good player that could initiate offense, pass, rebound, and defend

K Garnett: elite defender (PnR / rim protection), highly efficient and effective volume scorer (20+ppg), could defend 4-5
J Posey: stretch 4, good defender, below avg rebounder

K Perkins: good defensive center, very bad offensive player
G Davis: good defender (4-5's), good screen setter, average offensive

...what is Aaron Gordon? I want him to be Paul Pierce but reality is he's probably somewhere between Garnett/Pierce. Not an elite scorer, not able to defend bigger front court players (at least not yet and its unclear if he ever will).

...Vucevic picks up the scoring load that KG carried but not the defensive load. He is the inverse of KP. KP was there to slow Howard, Duncan, Bynum/Gasol etc. who dominated that era.

...again we seem to arrive at the forward position as the crucial position that makes this roster work...a player or two that distributes the skill sets found in Boston's formula.

Seems to me the Magic need is a slightly bigger version of AG at PF and/or a more natural elite scoring version of AG at SF..

Nice thinking. I had thought of Boston and Rondo before, but the presence of 3 HOFs felt a little too hard to match. But they are a good reference, as they're a team based on defense, grit and fairly even usage on offense.

You could possibly make a case for player roles to be like:

Rondo = Elf
Ray = Fournier / Tony = Oladipo
Pierce = Hezonja
KG = AG
Perkins - Vuc

The problem is that AG doesn't have the length to be the difference maker KG was on defense by taking on some 5's as defensive assignments, and Hezonja is a long way from being as crafty as Pierce was on defense.

Offensively, though, I'm not sure the C's are the best team to model ourselves after. They never really had a strong offense, and it was their defense that really made them elite.

But, Fournier and Hezonja could both be the guys who run off screens all night. Fournier does a bit of that already, so I'd like to see him take it to another level, the way Doc has done with Ray and JJ in the past.

The problem then becomes that Elf doesn't seem to be very good at getting guys open on the perimeter. He only averages 1 3FGA per game off assists, and that's to Fournier. Rondo, on the other hand, averages 1.9 attempts off DMC, 1.2 with Gay, 1.5 with Bellineli, 1.3 with Caspi, 1 with McLemore and 0.8 with Collison. Now, this is just attempts, not actual 3FGMs, and we don't have the best 3pt shooting team, but with guys like Fournier, Oladipo and Hezonja I'd have assumed Elf would be passing to them for at least 1 3FGA per game each.

Because, we're actually doing well for generating points off assists. We're ranked 8th in the league with 54 points off assists as a team. Last season we were 6th last, with 48 points off assists. Just seems that hardly any of those assists are coming off 3's.

Vuc does well in KG's role of running the point from the high post, and in those plays Rondo would generally wait off the ball in the corner and eventually make a curl around screens and cut to the basket from the high post, or catch in the high post for a mid-range 2. That's not too dissimilar to what Payton is doing now, I guess?


This is a bit of an aside, but thought I'd add it for interest's sake.

Spoiler:

Have you read this paper? It's one of my favourite write ups on Big 3's and Big 2's. It talks about players as they fit into 'clusters', which are categorized by particular stats being predominant in each different cluster.

KG = Cluster 5 (Dynamic, well-rounded power forwards, strong rebounding, dynamic 3’s: Chris Webber, Pau Gasol, Kevin McHale)

Paul Pierce = Cluster 8 (Multi-faceted, high scoring wings, with high assists for their position and are great 3 point shooters: Paul Pierce, Danny Ainge)

Ray = Cluster 8 (although in Boston he was more Cluster 4 than Cluster 8, but we'd seen in Ray's career that he was definitely a cluster 8).

Rondo = Cluster 9 (Pass first, low scoring point guards: Avery Johnson, Mark Jackson)

Perkins = Cluster 1 (Limited, role-playing centers: Erick Dampier, Tree Rollins)

Although, the article states that a 5-8-8 combo for a big 3 typically has a negative impact, I think the article might be struggling to show how the game has evolved. It says high scoring PGs don't mesh well with high scoring SGs, but that's the backbone of GSW's offense right now. So who knows?


Anyways, our team is more of a:

Elf = Cluster 9 (Pass first PG)

Oladipo = Cluster 2 (High scoring, dynamic guards (mostly 2 guards, but some 3’s like Grant Hill), typically not
great 3 point shooters, or if they are, don’t shoot very many: Kobe Bryant, Dwayne Wade, Tracy McGrady, Adrian Dantley)

Hezonja = Cluster 4 (3pt shooter) with potential to become a Cluster 8 (point-forward).

Fournier = Cluster 4, with Cluster 8 potential (doesn't pass enough to be a cluster 8 just yet).

AG = Cluster 10 (Limited 4’s; very strong rebounders, defense oriented: Dennis Rodman, Ben Wallace, Buck Williams) for now. Cluster 5 potential.

Vuc = Cluster 11/12 mix. Doesn't have the 3pt range for Cluster 11, doesn't have the blocks for Cluster 12.
(Cluster 11: 3 point shooting bigs, i.e. stretch 4’s: Rasheed Wallace, Antawn Jamison, Detlef Schrempf)
(Cluster 12: High scoring post players, high rebounds, high blocks: Shaquille O’Neal, Hakeem Olajuwon, David Robinson)

[Blue_and_Whte]

Is this real?

http://www.nydailynews.com/archives/sports/jason-doesn-kidd-ex-coach-skiles-article-1.620471

Jason Kidd says he has no problems with Byron Scott. However, he doesn't have any love for another former coach - Scott Skiles. "I really don't care about him," Kidd said before he hit a clutch three-pointer and a free throw in the final 27.

8 seconds last night to defeat Skiles' Bulls. "He always wanted to be me. He always thought he was better than me but that is just the way it goes with Skiles.

" Kidd first displayed his distaste for Skiles, who was an NBA point guard for 10 years, during his first encounter against Skiles on Dec. 5, 2001. During the Nets' 106-87 victory, an emotional Kidd taunted Skiles and shouted profanities at him on the Suns bench after he hit a big three-point shot in the second half. Last night, he drilled another three-point dagger, but did not taunt Skiles. He missed his first four shots and was scoreless until his three-pointer with 27.

I love that Skiles gets under people's skin. He probably didn't actually think he was better or as good as Jason Kidd but I'm sure he did something to make him salty.

[Xatticus]

I love that Skiles gets under people's skin. He probably didn't actually think he was better or as good as Jason Kidd but I'm sure he did something to make him salty.

Yeah. He coached him.

[Blue_and_Whte]

I love that Skiles gets under people's skin. He probably didn't actually think he was better or as good as Jason Kidd but I'm sure he did something to make him salty.

Yeah. He coached him.

Apparently Skiles wasn't the only coach he didn't like.

http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/brooklyn-nets/post/_/id/19596/history-of-jason-kidds-past-incidents

• In 2004, Kidd helped run New Jersey coach Byron Scott out of town. The point guard screamed at Scott during a December 2003 locker room tirade.

• When he was a freshman at Cal, Kidd reportedly instigated a mutiny that led to Lou Campanelli’s firing.

• In 2010, Kidd intentionally ran into Atlanta coach Mike Woodson on the sideline during a game. He drew a technical foul on Woodson as a result. The move essentially won the game for the Mavericks. Gamesmanship or something else?

Once again, we should look at the big picture when it comes to these "feuds". Seems more like a Jason Kidd issue.

[Xatticus]

I love that Skiles gets under people's skin. He probably didn't actually think he was better or as good as Jason Kidd but I'm sure he did something to make him salty.

Yeah. He coached him.

Apparently Skiles wasn't the only coach he didn't like.

http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/brooklyn-nets/post/_/id/19596/history-of-jason-kidds-past-incidents

• In 2004, Kidd helped run New Jersey coach Byron Scott out of town. The point guard screamed at Scott during a December 2003 locker room tirade.

• When he was a freshman at Cal, Kidd reportedly instigated a mutiny that led to Lou Campanelli’s firing.

• In 2010, Kidd intentionally ran into Atlanta coach Mike Woodson on the sideline during a game. He drew a technical foul on Woodson as a result. The move essentially won the game for the Mavericks. Gamesmanship or something else?

Once again, we should look at the big picture when it comes to these "feuds". Seems more like a Jason Kidd issue.

Just a bit of humor. I've never been a fan of Kidd either.