Do you think Paul Millsap now regrets not coming to Orlando?

[NxtGr8MagicCntr]

Butterfly effect in my opinion. If milsap chose orlando, do we resign Harris? Possibly but nothing is a given. Does Gordon get as many minutes and blossom with Milsap in front of him? Does Gordon even get exposure to get to the dunk contest? He barely got time as it was under skiles imagine with a clear better player in front of him.

Do we still end up trading Frye? If we resigned Harris does he leave? Does Skiles quit his job with a clear all star on the team? Do the magic squeak into the playoffs and become a treadmill team?

I like the direction our team is going now and maybe it is for the best he didn't choose us. Yea I was mad he didn't choose us at the time but not that mad. He is a fringe all star player in my opinion and if he is out west he isn't an all star at all. I'm going to feel the same if we dont get Horford. Would we better with him? Of course, but he isn't some game changer.

[Blue_and_Whte]

In the short term he probably didn't regret it but that team hit the ceiling a while ago and its delusional to think the players don't see that.

[Mike1989]

We offered him 4yrs 80m and he decided to take less money to stay with Atlanta. Orlando's future at this moment in time looks to be way brighter than the change ATL's about to experience...

Paul Millsap on ORL: "I was their first priority, and everything about their team was looking good at the time." (Via Orlando Sentinel)

Now theres a chance his team mate Horford jumps all over what Millsap should have.
Do you think he now regrets not coming to Central Florida?

I don't think he will regret his decision. Ok, they got swept in the play off semi finals by the Cleveland Cavaliers, but there's no shame in that considering how deep the Cavaliers roster is and how well they played. The Cavaliers also swept the Pistons and beat the Raptors easily in the end, the latter was the second ranked team in the east this season. So while losing 4 nil in the semi finals is disappointing, I think they would still be pleased that they were a top four team in the east and played some good basketball for most of the season. Next season they will again be a competitive team, and if they have a strong free agency, there's no reason they won't continue to be a top four seed again and be a very competitive team.

As for us, we once again finished below .500. Would Millsap have pushed us above .500? Maybe, but right now we have a lot of young unproven talent. Maybe our young players will develop into a top unit and a title contender in the coming years under Vogel. But Paul Millsap was 30 years old when he had the chance to join us, so that means he would be 34 when his contract expires. Let's be honest here. The Atlanta Hawks offer gave him four years worth of play off basketball, with the chance to be on one of the better coached and most competitive teams in the east with an outside chance of competing for a title. Whereas our offer meant tying his remaining prime years to a young unproven roster and betting that all goes well in player development (ie one or more of our young players become all stars). As much as I love the Magic, Millsap made the right choice in staying with Atlanta because they offer him the best chance to compete for a title in his remaining prime years. We simply couldn't offer him that at this stage, and even this year's group of free agents may look at this team and think twice before betting on our young players making the jump and go somewhere with a more proven roster.

[BadMofoPimp]

In the short term he probably didn't regret it but that team hit the ceiling a while ago and its delusional to think the players don't see that.

It would also be delusional to think Atlanta's GM won't make any trades or Free Agent signings to make that team more competitive over the next 2-3 years.

[Blue_and_Whte]

In the short term he probably didn't regret it but that team hit the ceiling a while ago and its delusional to think the players don't see that.

It would also be delusional to think Atlanta's GM won't make any trades or Free Agent signings to make that team more competitive over the next 2-3 years.

I didn't say Atlanta cant or wont make trades or free agent signings so I don't know where you're getting that from. I said that team hit its ceiling and the players obviously know that. Naturally trades and free agent signings are possible for any NBA team including Orlando who many would consider to be on its way to being just as desirable of a destination.

[Blue_and_Whte]

We offered him 4yrs 80m and he decided to take less money to stay with Atlanta. Orlando's future at this moment in time looks to be way brighter than the change ATL's about to experience...

Paul Millsap on ORL: "I was their first priority, and everything about their team was looking good at the time." (Via Orlando Sentinel)

Now theres a chance his team mate Horford jumps all over what Millsap should have.
Do you think he now regrets not coming to Central Florida?

I don't think he will regret his decision. Ok, they got swept in the play off semi finals by the Cleveland Cavaliers, but there's no shame in that considering how deep the Cavaliers roster is and how well they played. The Cavaliers also swept the Pistons and beat the Raptors easily in the end, the latter was the second ranked team in the east this season. So while losing 4 nil in the semi finals is disappointing, I think they would still be pleased that they were a top four team in the east and played some good basketball for most of the season. Next season they will again be a competitive team, and if they have a strong free agency, there's no reason they won't continue to be a top four seed again and be a very competitive team.

As for us, we once again finished below .500. Would Millsap have pushed us above .500? Maybe, but right now we have a lot of young unproven talent. Maybe our young players will develop into a top unit and a title contender in the coming years under Vogel. But Paul Millsap was 30 years old when he had the chance to join us, so that means he would be 34 when his contract expires. Let's be honest here. The Atlanta Hawks offer gave him four years worth of play off basketball, with the chance to be on one of the better coached and most competitive teams in the east with an outside chance of competing for a title. Whereas our offer meant tying his remaining prime years to a young unproven roster and betting that all goes well in player development (ie one or more of our young players become all stars). As much as I love the Magic, Millsap made the right choice in staying with Atlanta because they offer him the best chance to compete for a title in his remaining prime years. We simply couldn't offer him that at this stage, and even this year's group of free agents may look at this team and think twice before betting on our young players making the jump and go somewhere with a more proven roster.

In a weak eastern conference with declining stars. There's no denying that getting to the playoffs is a good thing but often times you can see a teams window starting to close. They're a treadmill team as currently constructed. I have this idea about Atlanta in the post season and they've met those expectations.

[Geaux_Hawks]

You all probably figured it out already, but King Ken is the homer of all homers in which homerism exist. I wouldn't battle against his logic if I were you. lol

With that out of the way, what would you guys give up for Milsaps? I'm pretty sure you want to put Sap next to Vuc, so he's out of the question I would assume. I see Gordon is completely off limits, but what about Mario? Dipo may be intriguing, but what would be the reason to move him over Mario? I really like Mario btw.

[tiderulz]

You all probably figured it out already, but King Ken is the homer of all homers in which homerism exist. I wouldn't battle against his logic if I were you. lol

With that out of the way, what would you guys give up for Milsaps? I'm pretty sure you want to put Sap next to Vuc, so he's out of the question I would assume. I see Gordon is completely off limits, but what about Mario? Dipo may be intriguing, but what would be the reason to move him over Mario? I really like Mario btw.

sorry, but with only 1 year of Millsap under control, that does not get you Gordon, Mario or Dipo.

I would be inclined to move Vuc and then find us another center prospect/player.

[Geaux_Hawks]

You all probably figured it out already, but King Ken is the homer of all homers in which homerism exist. I wouldn't battle against his logic if I were you. lol

With that out of the way, what would you guys give up for Milsaps? I'm pretty sure you want to put Sap next to Vuc, so he's out of the question I would assume. I see Gordon is completely off limits, but what about Mario? Dipo may be intriguing, but what would be the reason to move him over Mario? I really like Mario btw.

sorry, but with only 1 year of Millsap under control, that does not get you Gordon, Mario or Dipo.

I would be inclined to move Vuc and then find us another center prospect/player.

True he has a player option, but with Sap showing the interest of considering the Magic before, I have no doubt he would stay with you guys. Vooch is interesting though. We would definitely bring Horford back at max if need be, and could still find other moves to make.

[OrlandO]

You all probably figured it out already, but King Ken is the homer of all homers in which homerism exist. I wouldn't battle against his logic if I were you. lol

With that out of the way, what would you guys give up for Milsaps? I'm pretty sure you want to put Sap next to Vuc, so he's out of the question I would assume. I see Gordon is completely off limits, but what about Mario? Dipo may be intriguing, but what would be the reason to move him over Mario? I really like Mario btw.

sorry, but with only 1 year of Millsap under control, that does not get you Gordon, Mario or Dipo.

I would be inclined to move Vuc and then find us another center prospect/player.

True he has a player option, but with Sap showing the interest of considering the Magic before, I have no doubt he would stay with you guys. Vooch is interesting though. We would definitely bring Horford back at max if need be, and could still find other moves to make.

He showed interest, but he turned us down... so there should definitely be some doubt. I'd rather not give up any pieces that could play a big role for us over the next few years since we can just wait till next summer to take another crack at Millsap as a free agent if we're still in need and still interested. Wouldn't want to offer him more than 2-3 guaranteed years anyway with the amount of annual money he'll be due.

[tiderulz]

sorry, but with only 1 year of Millsap under control, that does not get you Gordon, Mario or Dipo.

I would be inclined to move Vuc and then find us another center prospect/player.

True he has a player option, but with Sap showing the interest of considering the Magic before, I have no doubt he would stay with you guys. Vooch is interesting though. We would definitely bring Horford back at max if need be, and could still find other moves to make.

He showed interest, but he turned us down... so there should definitely be some doubt. I'd rather not give up any pieces that could play a big role for us over the next few years since we can just wait till next summer to take another crack at Millsap as a free agent if we're still in need and still interested. Wouldn't want to offer him more than 2-3 guaranteed years anyway with the amount of annual money he'll be due.

also with his age. He will be 32 next summer looking for a big deal. Being an undersized PF, his game is a bit more reliant on athleticism which will be going at 32. Not sure i want him on a big contract from 32-36

[Geaux_Hawks]

True he has a player option, but with Sap showing the interest of considering the Magic before, I have no doubt he would stay with you guys. Vooch is interesting though. We would definitely bring Horford back at max if need be, and could still find other moves to make.

He showed interest, but he turned us down... so there should definitely be some doubt. I'd rather not give up any pieces that could play a big role for us over the next few years since we can just wait till next summer to take another crack at Millsap as a free agent if we're still in need and still interested. Wouldn't want to offer him more than 2-3 guaranteed years anyway with the amount of annual money he'll be due.

also with his age. He will be 32 next summer looking for a big deal. Being an undersized PF, his game is a bit more reliant on athleticism which will be going at 32. Not sure i want him on a big contract from 32-36

His game really isn't reliant on athleticism very much. He's of the David West mold, but better.

[tiderulz]

He showed interest, but he turned us down... so there should definitely be some doubt. I'd rather not give up any pieces that could play a big role for us over the next few years since we can just wait till next summer to take another crack at Millsap as a free agent if we're still in need and still interested. Wouldn't want to offer him more than 2-3 guaranteed years anyway with the amount of annual money he'll be due.

also with his age. He will be 32 next summer looking for a big deal. Being an undersized PF, his game is a bit more reliant on athleticism which will be going at 32. Not sure i want him on a big contract from 32-36

His game really isn't reliant on athleticism very much. He's of the David West mold, but better.

being undersized, his game relies on it more than you think. David isnt the perimeter player that Millsap is, so his older body can bang in the post more. and even then West has slowed down the past 3 years (currently 35). We would still owe Millsap close to max money then.

[Geaux_Hawks]

also with his age. He will be 32 next summer looking for a big deal. Being an undersized PF, his game is a bit more reliant on athleticism which will be going at 32. Not sure i want him on a big contract from 32-36

His game really isn't reliant on athleticism very much. He's of the David West mold, but better.

being undersized, his game relies on it more than you think. David isnt the perimeter player that Millsap is, so his older body can bang in the post more. and even then West has slowed down the past 3 years (currently 35). We would still owe Millsap close to max money then.

I honestly wouldn't say he relies on it that much. Does he use it to do things from the perimeter? Yes, but to say he relies on it, is hard to say at all. Milsaps uses his length and BB IQ more than anything. With his ability to knock down a jumper, it opens up his ability to pump and drive. Don't be misguided by Milsaps not being a banger either. He doesn't show much of it because he's not asked to do so.

[PrimeThyme]

You all probably figured it out already, but King Ken is the homer of all homers in which homerism exist. I wouldn't battle against his logic if I were you. lol

With that out of the way, what would you guys give up for Milsaps? I'm pretty sure you want to put Sap next to Vuc, so he's out of the question I would assume. I see Gordon is completely off limits, but what about Mario? Dipo may be intriguing, but what would be the reason to move him over Mario? I really like Mario btw.

sorry, but with only 1 year of Millsap under control, that does not get you Gordon, Mario or Dipo.

I would be inclined to move Vuc and then find us another center prospect/player.

True he has a player option, but with Sap showing the interest of considering the Magic before, I have no doubt he would stay with you guys. Vooch is interesting though. We would definitely bring Horford back at max if need be, and could still find other moves to make.

So with y'all supposedly looking to trade Teague for Noel what do you think that means for Horford? Would y'all let him go in that case if you got Noel?

[PrimeThyme]

sorry, but with only 1 year of Millsap under control, that does not get you Gordon, Mario or Dipo.

I would be inclined to move Vuc and then find us another center prospect/player.

True he has a player option, but with Sap showing the interest of considering the Magic before, I have no doubt he would stay with you guys. Vooch is interesting though. We would definitely bring Horford back at max if need be, and could still find other moves to make.

So with y'all supposedly looking to trade Teague for Noel what do you think that means for Horford? Would y'all let him go in that case if you got Noel?

I honestly think it would be a very smart move. Noel would be a nice young addition to yalls core. Plus Dennis is probably already better than Teague


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[Geaux_Hawks]

sorry, but with only 1 year of Millsap under control, that does not get you Gordon, Mario or Dipo.

I would be inclined to move Vuc and then find us another center prospect/player.

True he has a player option, but with Sap showing the interest of considering the Magic before, I have no doubt he would stay with you guys. Vooch is interesting though. We would definitely bring Horford back at max if need be, and could still find other moves to make.

So with y'all supposedly looking to trade Teague for Noel what do you think that means for Horford? Would y'all let him go in that case if you got Noel?

Hard to say right now. Probably since Teague is the one moving and we're hopefully bringing in Noel. I did however think that Milsaps could be on the move instead since he can bring us back some value, and we just spend a ton of money to bring guys with Horford.

[MrShow]

Like he regrets not getting crabs.

[Mike1989]

In a weak eastern conference with declining stars. There's no denying that getting to the playoffs is a good thing but often times you can see a teams window starting to close. They're a treadmill team as currently constructed. I have this idea about Atlanta in the post season and they've met those expectations.

I think the Hawks are pretty well set to remain competitive in the East working on the basis that they re-sign their starting players:

- Al Horford is still a very good player. His PPG was above his career average, his rebounds per game was below his career average but he's never been a huge rebounder, his FG% was above .500, his FT% tied his career high, he also tied his career high in BPG, and he's developed a very steady three point shot. For me, Horford hasn't really shown signs that he's declined and seems to still be going strong.

- Paul Millsap had a very good season as well. He posted career highs in rebounds, assists, steals, and blocks. His PPG was above his career average, his FG%, FT% and 3P% were all steady and around his career averages. Again, he's still going strong.

- Kent Bazemore has broke out and shown what he is capable of. Granted he's not a big time scorer, but he's certainly been a very steady contributor. He's athletic and plays good defense. Maybe a bit undersized for the small forward position, and may be a better fit long term at shooting guard for them. But he's 26 and ascending.

- Kyle Korver is in his mid-30s and his days starting may be numbered, but this season he still put up very steady numbers, and offered them a pretty reliable perimeter shooter. They may decide to shift him to the bench for sixth man duty, like they did a couple of times in the play offs, but as a fourth or fifth option he's still a very reliable player.

- Jeff Teague's days might be numbered in Atlanta based on repeated trade rumors, and with Dennis Schroder's development, I wouldn't be surprised to see Atlanta try to trade Teague (as well as other assets) for a star player at SG (Bazmore at SF) or SF (Bazemore at SG). But if they do keep him, he's still a decent play maker and capable of scoring. In fact, he posted a career high in 3P% and RPG this season. His assists and PPG were down, but that may be down to a reduction in minutes and more ball movement as a team.

If they bring back that starting five, and put together a strong bench, they should still be a play off team next season and possibly a top four seed depending on what other teams do. That said, they do have the cap space and assets to bring another star to Atlanta to pair with Millsap and Horford (if he re-signs). Plus, they have a very good head coach. I don't see them as a declining team. They should remain very competitive in the eastern conference and with the right moves they should continue to be among the top four teams in the east.

Has their window closed? I don't think so. Obviously the Cavaliers will remain the favorite for the eastern crown as long as LeBron James and co play for them. But the Raptors, Hawks, and other teams in the east can certainly push them if they have strong off seasons and continue to make progress in their style of play. For me, there's no reason why a team in this conference can't knock the Cavaliers off their perch.