Orlando Magic Free Agency Guide (Cap Info UPDATED page 37)

[PennytoShaq]

The reason signing a guy like Horford wouldn't bother me is because we need to get older. We are way too young and won't win a playoff series without some starting quality veteran leadership. The good news is that we have the foundation to be a great team with the young guys we have. But it is time to balance them out with some stud vets, and Horford, while not a KD type, does fit that description well.

[Catledge]

If the Hawks obtained Green to go with Bazemore and Schroeder, then their future can still be bright or at least strong for years.

Schroeder
Green
Baze
Milsap
Horford

Just need a bench.

What does that team have that this year's and last year's Hawks teams didn't have? Schroeder gives slightly better dribble penetration at the cost of shooting. They are still left with no playmaking on the wings and a front line that struggles to rebound while eating up almost half of their cap.

I'm not saying it's a bad team, just that it's not an improvement over their existing mediocrity. The only real path to a conference finals is if Schroeder and Bazemore blow up, which seems unlikely to me. I mean, compare those guys to the famous Detroit example: Schroeder <<< Billups, Green <<< Rip, Baze = Prince (at best), Milsap = Rasheed (at best), and Horford < Big Ben.

[BadMofoPimp]

first of all, i didnt say a go-to superstar i said a go-to scorer. And Kawhi was acting like that for the Spurs in their last title. And when they were winning a bunch of titles, it was Parker/Duncan as their go-to scorers.

So i apparently have to modify my statement, if you have 3 HOF players, or a team of top-5 players at their position, then you can do it that way. Now tell me how many teams get 3 HOF's at the same time.

I don't get it. Magic will have a few players who will average just as many PPG as Parker and Duncan within the next season or two and you won't consider them go to scorers?

If Vooch is almost as good as scorer as Duncan was at this stage already, then isn't Vooch considered a "Go To Scorer?" Mario's shooting efficiency is already almost as good as Parker. Not sure if you are just taking Superstar talents or Big name players and making them out to be Go to Scorers.

I think you do get it, you just want to argue. I get it, i do that sometimes too. But its one thing to average 18 points, its another to be a go-to scorer and be able to give someone the ball in crunch time and they can score, get to the foul line or create an easy bucket for someone else. Dipo is the closest thing I think we have to that, but he is not nearly there yet.

I think Vooch and Dipo are potential goto scorers for this franchise for years.

[BadMofoPimp]

If the Hawks obtained Green to go with Bazemore and Schroeder, then their future can still be bright or at least strong for years.

Schroeder
Green
Baze
Milsap
Horford

Just need a bench.

What does that team have that this year's and last year's Hawks teams didn't have? Schroeder gives slightly better dribble penetration at the cost of shooting. They are still left with no playmaking on the wings and a front line that struggles to rebound while eating up almost half of their cap.

I'm not saying it's a bad team, just that it's not an improvement over their existing mediocrity. The only real path to a conference finals is if Schroeder and Bazemore blow up, which seems unlikely to me. I mean, compare those guys to the famous Detroit example: Schroeder <<< Billups, Green <<< Rip, Baze = Prince (at best), Milsap = Rasheed (at best), and Horford < Big Ben.

Young guys get older and more playing time which equates to their development moving from role players to play makers.

[Catledge]

Here's my stance on paying Horford: If he takes a deal that starts at this year's max for him and stays at that level each year, then I can live with the risk of him maybe moving to the bench in his last year while making 27m. But if he gets the max plus the max raise each year, then you're talking about him earning around 35m in that last year instead of 27m, which is a significant difference.

But this is an even bigger problem for ATL if they offer him a 5-year, which carries even bigger annual raises. They would be looking at something over 40m for an even older player in the last year of that deal.

(Somebody please correct me if my ballpark figures are way off.)

[Catledge]

If the Hawks obtained Green to go with Bazemore and Schroeder, then their future can still be bright or at least strong for years.

Schroeder
Green
Baze
Milsap
Horford

Just need a bench.

What does that team have that this year's and last year's Hawks teams didn't have? Schroeder gives slightly better dribble penetration at the cost of shooting. They are still left with no playmaking on the wings and a front line that struggles to rebound while eating up almost half of their cap.

I'm not saying it's a bad team, just that it's not an improvement over their existing mediocrity. The only real path to a conference finals is if Schroeder and Bazemore blow up, which seems unlikely to me. I mean, compare those guys to the famous Detroit example: Schroeder <<< Billups, Green <<< Rip, Baze = Prince (at best), Milsap = Rasheed (at best), and Horford < Big Ben.

Young guys get older and more playing time which equates to their development moving from role players to play makers.

Let me know when Schroeder and Bazemore get as good as prime-years Billups and Prince, and I will come on here and admit that I have been proven wrong.

[BadMofoPimp]

What does that team have that this year's and last year's Hawks teams didn't have? Schroeder gives slightly better dribble penetration at the cost of shooting. They are still left with no playmaking on the wings and a front line that struggles to rebound while eating up almost half of their cap.

I'm not saying it's a bad team, just that it's not an improvement over their existing mediocrity. The only real path to a conference finals is if Schroeder and Bazemore blow up, which seems unlikely to me. I mean, compare those guys to the famous Detroit example: Schroeder <<< Billups, Green <<< Rip, Baze = Prince (at best), Milsap = Rasheed (at best), and Horford < Big Ben.

Young guys get older and more playing time which equates to their development moving from role players to play makers.

Let me know when Schroeder and Bazemore get as good as prime-years Billups and Prince, and I will come on here and admit that I have been proven wrong.

TP and Billups were elite defenders. Not sure if those guys will reach that level but it comes down to a players personal motivation if they want to work that hard to be great at something.

[j-ragg]

If you're a go to scorer you have to have the ability to get to the hoop and draw fouls.


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[tiderulz]

The reason signing a guy like Horford wouldn't bother me is because we need to get older. We are way too young and won't win a playoff series without some starting quality veteran leadership. The good news is that we have the foundation to be a great team with the young guys we have. But it is time to balance them out with some stud vets, and Horford, while not a KD type, does fit that description well.

max money (i believe in the $29mil/yr range) for a guy that just put up 14/7 for the post season is not a good way to spend money imo. im okay getting some age and experience, but 4-5 year deal at that will hurt us in a year. Horford is not a stud vet anymore

[tiderulz]

If the Hawks obtained Green to go with Bazemore and Schroeder, then their future can still be bright or at least strong for years.

Schroeder
Green
Baze
Milsap
Horford

Just need a bench.

What does that team have that this year's and last year's Hawks teams didn't have? Schroeder gives slightly better dribble penetration at the cost of shooting. They are still left with no playmaking on the wings and a front line that struggles to rebound while eating up almost half of their cap.

I'm not saying it's a bad team, just that it's not an improvement over their existing mediocrity. The only real path to a conference finals is if Schroeder and Bazemore blow up, which seems unlikely to me. I mean, compare those guys to the famous Detroit example: Schroeder <<< Billups, Green <<< Rip, Baze = Prince (at best), Milsap = Rasheed (at best), and Horford < Big Ben.

Green instead of Korver is an upgrade right off the bat.

[Patrick1978]

I Think horford will Stay in Atlanta
We will end up with some of Noah,ezeli,mahinmi,biyombo,Jeff green,henderson,Sessions,humphries,ryan anderson,bayless,lin,teletovic, rush,Corey brewer.
Important is also to resign fournier and smith.
For the draft if we go for a big i want deyonta davis,if we go for a guard i want denzel valentine or wade baldwin.
Or henny plans a trade to get a higher pick and we get brandon ingram or jamal murray

[Bensational]

The good thing is, out of all the available options at the F/C spots, they've all posted great defensive numbers this postseason.

RANKED (averge FG% of opponents shooting within 6ft of the rim).

Diaw (-22%)
Ezeli (-19%)
Mahinmi (-17%)
Horford (-14%)
Biyombo (-13%)


My preferred options are probably Diaw (if he's traded, he's a cheap veteran with championship experience who has learned the best way to play the game) and Biyombo (cheap option who's defense is strong, and his roll man game has been good in the playoffs)

Biyombo would be a nice alternative to Vuc in a share time C role. He's a younger, more experienced version of Dedmon and he won't break the bank.

Apparently Horford hasn't run a single PnR all playoffs...

[Melvinlocker]

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=jrscl5d

Add in our LAL pick to Sactown to make the deal work.

Second trade is to offer is this years 11th for Trevor Ariza. We aren't drafting anybody worthwhile at this pick so we might as well make it useful.

Keep Ersan and resign Fournier. Sign Brandon Rush to one year deal.

Porzingis/Lopez
Gordon/Ilyasova
Ariza/Rush
Oladipo/Fournier
Payton/Watson

If our young guys only make moderate improvements, then we are in the playoffs on defense alone. In 2017 Ersan come off the books and we'll be able to sign a Vet Max player if we so desire (without renouncing Oladipo's cap hold). Also, none of these assets are untradeable (Lopez might be kind of tough).

[seeingstars]

The reason signing a guy like Horford wouldn't bother me is because we need to get older. We are way too young and won't win a playoff series without some starting quality veteran leadership. The good news is that we have the foundation to be a great team with the young guys we have. But it is time to balance them out with some stud vets, and Horford, while not a KD type, does fit that description well.

max money (i believe in the $29mil/yr range) for a guy that just put up 14/7 for the post season is not a good way to spend money imo. im okay getting some age and experience, but 4-5 year deal at that will hurt us in a year. Horford is not a stud vet anymore

Exactly. This whole getting the team older at the expense of our salary cap is a bit short sighted.

I dont know who were gonna get this summer, if anyone, but whoever we get I hope their just tipping their early 30s like 30/31 at the end of their contract.

I have faith that Hennigan is the right guy for the job and believe he'll make the wise decisions over the course of the next year. Just cant wait for my phone to blowup with ESPN texts as news comes in this summer. I always lean on what he said "WE WILL NOT OVERPAY"

[Patrick1978]

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=jrscl5d

Add in our LAL pick to Sactown to make the deal work.

Second trade is to offer is this years 11th for Trevor Ariza. We aren't drafting anybody worthwhile at this pick so we might as well make it useful.

Keep Ersan and resign Fournier. Sign Brandon Rush to one year deal.

Porzingis/Lopez
Gordon/Ilyasova
Ariza/Rush
Oladipo/Fournier
Payton/Watson

If our young guys only make moderate improvements, then we are in the playoffs on defense alone. In 2017 Ersan come off the books and we'll be able to sign a Vet Max player if we so desire (without renouncing Oladipo's cap hold). Also, none of these assets are untradeable (Lopez might be kind of tough).

I like your lineup,porzingis at 5 would be interesting.
I would also resign smith.
Would be an interesting lineup with smith at c,porzingis at pf and gordon at sf,fournier at sg and oladipo at pg:D
Ariza or jeff green would be a nice addition,

[Nemesis21]

A few posters would like to see DeMar DeRozen signed, he's shooting .330 FG % and .158 3pt FG % in the playoffs this season.

[Blue_and_Whte]

A few posters would like to see DeMar DeRozen signed, he's shooting .330 FG % and .158 3pt FG % in the playoffs this season.

I don't understand why people talk crap about Oladipo then turn around and want the exact same type of players. (DeRozan/Butler)

[seeingstars]

A few posters would like to see DeMar DeRozen signed, he's shooting .330 FG % and .158 3pt FG % in the playoffs this season.

I don't understand why people talk crap about Oladipo then turn around and want the exact same type of players. (DeRozan/Butler)

The main difference is Oladipo would be finding other ways to remain effective, defense, rebounding, assists, hustle plays. I like his upside more than DeRozan's to be honest.

[Bensational]

BUMP.

Just bringing this up to the front page so the Cap and FA numbers are visible for everyone.