If the Magic trade Ibaka...

[Jameerthefear]

Yeah if Biz is a bench guy then we might as well have just kept Ded for $3m/yr. He's been playing well in limited minutes for the Spurs.

[OrlandO]

i agree with this. If Biz was having those major impacting games, whether he was scoring or not, 3 games out of 4 every time, yeah he could be traded. But it is in reverse, 1 our of 4 that he really impacts the game. And when you are paid that much, you have to impact the game more. Thats almost 20% of the cap.

I bet he'd make a much bigger impact coming off the bench. He's an energy guy... he works better in bursts.

I agree he is a bench player and i like biz but at 17 million a year in the position our franchise is in is a Poor use of capspace . especially when dedmon was available for 10 million less per year !

Well unlike dedmon I actually think Biz can develop into a starting big under Vogel... I just think he should be developing off the bench until he's ready (like mahinmi)... or at least until we have some star power. We need to decide if we're still trying to win or if we want a high draft pick. It's impossible to win starting 2-3 developing players like the ones we have.

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[yoyojw17]

All old man joke aside..... Bis is still only 23 after starting basketball at a late age. He is still on the up and up. I don't think his contract was made based off of his current level.... but what vogel and hennigan project him to be.

[tiderulz]

All old man joke aside..... Bis is still only 23 after starting basketball at a late age. He is still on the up and up. I don't think his contract was made based off of his current level.... but what vogel and hennigan project him to be.

then they are dumb and deserve to get fired. you dont say, "Player X will be better in 3 years, lets overpay him now"

[j-ragg]

All old man joke aside..... Bis is still only 23 after starting basketball at a late age. He is still on the up and up. I don't think his contract was made based off of his current level.... but what vogel and hennigan project him to be.

then they are dumb and deserve to get fired. you dont say, "Player X will be better in 3 years, lets overpay him now"

There are much worse contracts than his, why do you talk as if it's this big immovable object or something? Fired for signing him? Is it overreaction day on RealGM?

[PrimeThyme]

Even though it was an overpay, I'd much rather be paying Biyombo 70 mill right now than having to pay it to Jokim Noah. Atleast at 23 Biyombos contract will be somewhat moveable down the line. New York is never getting rid of Noah or that contract.

[tiderulz]

All old man joke aside..... Bis is still only 23 after starting basketball at a late age. He is still on the up and up. I don't think his contract was made based off of his current level.... but what vogel and hennigan project him to be.

then they are dumb and deserve to get fired. you dont say, "Player X will be better in 3 years, lets overpay him now"

There are much worse contracts than his, why do you talk as if it's this big immovable object or something? Fired for signing him? Is it overreaction day on RealGM?

the statement stands. You dont just give away money for a player, pay him the rate of a higher player he MAY turn into years later. Yes, there are worse contracts. That doesnt make this one a good contract because 1 or 3 other ones that are worse.

[j-ragg]

then they are dumb and deserve to get fired. you dont say, "Player X will be better in 3 years, lets overpay him now"

There are much worse contracts than his, why do you talk as if it's this big immovable object or something? Fired for signing him? Is it overreaction day on RealGM?

the statement stands. You dont just give away money for a player, pay him the rate of a higher player he MAY turn into years later. Yes, there are worse contracts. That doesnt make this one a good contract because 1 or 3 other ones that are worse.

No but because your FA signing is maybe the 15th worst deal in the league (in the first year where we've seen this balloon cap) i don't think the GM and coach should be fired. I feel like your point is solely "you shouldn't sign guys and hope they turn into the guy you're really paying for" and yeah maybe that's true but it's an odd way of putting it. I mean people bank on young guys' potential all the time. We gambled on TMac 16 years ago and gave him star money and he became a star.

Most big contracts are scoffed at at first. People said Aminu was overpaid when Portland gave him 36m, two years later it was a bargain. Jae Crowder same thing. Nothing wrong with betting that a player can put up bigger stats in a bigger role. He has definitely disappointed me thus far and I hope he gets that motor back.

[shadrock]

then they are dumb and deserve to get fired. you dont say, "Player X will be better in 3 years, lets overpay him now"

There are much worse contracts than his, why do you talk as if it's this big immovable object or something? Fired for signing him? Is it overreaction day on RealGM?

the statement stands. You dont just give away money for a player, pay him the rate of a higher player he MAY turn into years later. Yes, there are worse contracts. That doesnt make this one a good contract because 1 or 3 other ones that are worse.

Biz is fine. He plays good D. Thats all we need him to do. Relax. So much drama around here lately. Fire everyone.

[tiderulz]

There are much worse contracts than his, why do you talk as if it's this big immovable object or something? Fired for signing him? Is it overreaction day on RealGM?

the statement stands. You dont just give away money for a player, pay him the rate of a higher player he MAY turn into years later. Yes, there are worse contracts. That doesnt make this one a good contract because 1 or 3 other ones that are worse.

No but because your FA signing is maybe the 15th worst deal in the league (in the first year where we've seen this balloon cap) i don't think the GM and coach should be fired. I feel like your point is solely "you shouldn't sign guys and hope they turn into the guy you're really paying for" and yeah maybe that's true but it's an odd way of putting it. I mean people bank on young guys' potential all the time. We gambled on TMac 16 years ago and gave him star money and he became a star.

Most big contracts are scoffed at at first. People said Aminu was overpaid when Portland gave him 36m, two years later it was a bargain. Jae Crowder same thing. Nothing wrong with betting that a player can put up bigger stats in a bigger role. He has definitely disappointed me thus far and I hope he gets that motor back.

I didnt say you fire a coach for a bad signing, worst or 15th worst. I said, if he was overpaid because of what the GM thinks he could be 3 yrs from now, then that is dumb and he should be fired.

[tiderulz]

There are much worse contracts than his, why do you talk as if it's this big immovable object or something? Fired for signing him? Is it overreaction day on RealGM?

the statement stands. You dont just give away money for a player, pay him the rate of a higher player he MAY turn into years later. Yes, there are worse contracts. That doesnt make this one a good contract because 1 or 3 other ones that are worse.

Biz is fine. He plays good D. Thats all we need him to do. Relax. So much drama around here lately. Fire everyone.

he does play good D, sometimes. And yet, we are giving up a lot of points. Yes, i know that we need better wing defense. But all the talk was about getting a rim protector because Vuc doesnt protect the rim and we seem to be giving up more points than we did without Biz.

[Instincts]

the statement stands. You dont just give away money for a player, pay him the rate of a higher player he MAY turn into years later. Yes, there are worse contracts. That doesnt make this one a good contract because 1 or 3 other ones that are worse.

Biz is fine. He plays good D. Thats all we need him to do. Relax. So much drama around here lately. Fire everyone.

he does play good D, sometimes. And yet, we are giving up a lot of points. Yes, i know that we need better wing defense. But all the talk was about getting a rim protector because Vuc doesnt protect the rim and we seem to be giving up more points than we did without Biz.

He also adds toughness and leadership which this team desperately needed. He does the "garbage work" which has freed up AG to develop other aspects of his game. Biz is a solid role player, he reminds me of tristen Thompson or maybe Ben Wallace. Def a valuable asset to a team.

How valuable vs his contract I guess is the debate. Tristan Thompsons contract was 5 years $82 million, Bismack 4 years $72 million, so by that comparison he is slightly overpaid. But as has been discussed, as a non competing team we are in slightly over pay mode to draw free agents. Doesn't seem like he would be an unmoveable contract by any means...not that we should necessarily insider it.

[pepe1991]

Biz is fine. He plays good D. Thats all we need him to do. Relax. So much drama around here lately. Fire everyone.

he does play good D, sometimes. And yet, we are giving up a lot of points. Yes, i know that we need better wing defense. But all the talk was about getting a rim protector because Vuc doesnt protect the rim and we seem to be giving up more points than we did without Biz.

He also adds toughness and leadership which this team desperately needed.

People say same for Green. Yet that " great leadership" still somehow translates into 4th worst record in conference.

[Instincts]

he does play good D, sometimes. And yet, we are giving up a lot of points. Yes, i know that we need better wing defense. But all the talk was about getting a rim protector because Vuc doesnt protect the rim and we seem to be giving up more points than we did without Biz.

He also adds toughness and leadership which this team desperately needed.

People say same for Green. Yet that " great leadership" still somehow translates into 4th worst record in conference.

So you think we are a better team without him? He brings energy as a rebounder and defender every night. He did a great job defending Lebron James in the playoffs last year. He has to be an asset. As I mentioned in revised post above, he reminds me of tristen Thompson, who has shown a starting role on a modern championship team. I'm not saying he is a starter necessarily, but above average and team positive.

Who would you suggest we could have realistically signed last off season that would have improved the team more?

Green is a poor comparison. He is a one year filler while AG takes the next step. Bismack has a defined "dirty work" role that is not just confined to leadership and toughness, but also rebounding, defense, and energy.

[pepe1991]

He also adds toughness and leadership which this team desperately needed.

People say same for Green. Yet that " great leadership" still somehow translates into 4th worst record in conference.

So you think we are a better team without him? He brings energy as a rebounder and defender every night. He did a great job defending Lebron James in the playoffs last year. He has to be an asset. As I mentioned in revised post above, he reminds me of tristen Thompson, who has shown a starting role on a modern championship team. I'm not saying he is a starter necessarily, but above average and team positive.

Who would you suggest we could have realistically signed last off season that would have improved the team more?

Green is a poor comparison. He is a one year filler while AG takes the next step. Bismack has a defined "dirty work" role that is not just confined to leadership and toughness, but also rebounding, defense, and energy.

He guarded Lebron? Pls roll another and pass. I need that.
Dude got overhyped because he was cleaning glass playing along side 4 small players.
This is his production in 6 games vs Cavs:

game 1 : 12 points , 4 rebounds, 0 blocks
Game 2: 3 points, 4 rebonds, 2 blocks
Game 3: 7 points, 26 rebounds, 4 blocks
Game 4 : 5 points, 14 rebounds 3 blocks
Game 5: 7 points 4 rebounds 1 block
Game 6: 4 points , 9 rebounds 1 block

So on the road he averaged 6,5 ppg and 5,25 rebounds. However at home he had two great games ( one amazing tho). And that was his selling point ?
Who could Magic pick over him? They could resign Dedmon for $12M less and shorter term.

I agree with your comparison with Tristan Thompson, however i find TT below average starter who was lucky enough to play on team where Lebron, who happens to be unoffical teams GM, and share same menager as Lebron, so he got payed , just like JR Smith got same , crazy, unrealistic, awful deal ( 4 years $57,000,000 M at age of 30 ) for same reason = having same menager as Lebron, on team where Lebron is God and does whatever he wants to do, where GM and ownership and coach have literally zero impact on final decisions .

[JAY DASH]

Not an Ibaka fan to say the least, but the Biz signing was the biggest misstep of the offseason to me. Good energy guy that got paid because he had a good series against another undersized "center" in Tristan Thompson.

Biz can't contain elite Centers so the whole illusion of him and Ibaka improving our interior defense was a big lie. Biz is 6'9 on a good day. PF size without a PF skill set. Definitely could have just kept Dedmon. As far as Serge....I don't we can trade him unless it's to a team that believes they can re-sign him next year. Toronto seems like an ideal fit for him (on the court and off), but I'm honestly not sure if we would want any of the pieces they would offer. I also don't think Ibaka would be 1st on their wish list. Probably a distant second behind Millsap...even though I think Noel would be the guy they really truly need.